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06-15-2009, 06:02 PM
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LT1 LE or AI....??
just looking for oponions on both companies.... Lloyde Elliot and Avanced Induction... cant decide who to go with.... Ai offers everything from their site to really make a complete long block.... LE just does heads and cam... but i was told he will work with you to help you choose parts and stuff... this is gonna be my first build and im not to sure about parts matching and what now... not very experienced in the engine dept... but im gonna learn so any help is greatly appreciated....
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06-15-2009, 06:06 PM
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Or ditch the stock heads, and get some T4Ps.
Edit: More I think about it, def ditch the stock heads, spend the big bucks and get some nice heads, get em ported.
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06-15-2009, 06:18 PM
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i dont even know what they are... but whats the point of ditching the stock heads and spending more $$ on aftermarket heads when i can get the performance in looking for with stock ported heads.... i just read a guys sig on ls1tech taht has stock bottom end lt1 le2 and a medium cam... and hes going 11.9 on motor and 10's on spray... so i should be able to do a 383 on stock heads... alls i want is a mid-low 11sec car... any faster than that is not streetable im not trying to build a race car....
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06-15-2009, 06:20 PM
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Read the fine print, car weight, and redline makes a huge difference....
Ported stockers for a 383 will be maxing out the stock heads, not much room for later improvement.
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06-15-2009, 06:20 PM
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well obviously, you don't have any trailer setup in mind.
were you thinkin le2's or le3's?
...and suspension
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06-15-2009, 06:22 PM
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LE3s.
Suspension, and drivetrain will need a lot of attention...
Fueling too.
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06-15-2009, 06:28 PM
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how much of a gain will he see from le3's compared to le2's? would the le2's be holding a 383 back too much? seems like $ per pony le3's are a little much, but i guess cam choice in the le2's might be a little wild especially if he wants to stay streetable.
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06-15-2009, 06:28 PM
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I was told around 10-15hp gain.
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06-15-2009, 06:31 PM
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yeah....would it be at a lower peak rpm though?
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06-15-2009, 06:32 PM
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Peak RPM will be more dependant on cam selection and valvetrain stability.
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06-15-2009, 06:39 PM
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the car is going to run what it runs.. and if i want to make a 10 sec car out of it later on.. THEN ill get some aftermarket heads... im not worried about suspension and all that jazz... im going to upgrade EVERYTHING.... trans is going to get send to hanlon when im ready... gonna go with a chomoly driveshaft and a strange s60 or 12 bolt.. .or moser... not sure yet... fuel will be upgraded with a better pump and bigger injectors... im not worried about all that jazz....
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06-15-2009, 06:40 PM
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Well suspension is almost more important than the motor... look at my car... to much power for suspension means slow ass times...
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06-15-2009, 06:41 PM
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if i go with LE im probably gonna go with the LE3 setup becuase im going to be doing bottom end anyway and the pistons will clear the valves...
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06-15-2009, 06:42 PM
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Even a set of LT4 heads will give you more potential than stockers...
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06-15-2009, 06:42 PM
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Quote:
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Well suspension is almost more important than the motor... look at my car... to much power for suspension means slow ass times...
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dude... you need to learn to race before you can call it onthe susp... i bet you could have gotten a low 12 outa taht car that night if you knew what you were doing.... if i was you id be more worried about launching hard on all that stock drive train.. but maybe it can handle it... those tires are sticky though....
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06-15-2009, 06:44 PM
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Quote:
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Even a set of LT4 heads will give you more potential than stockers...
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yea but then im paying twice.. i have tind a set of lt4 heads and then get them ported... pay twice... when its proven that stock heads can get me the #'s im looking for.... why are you fighting me on this....?
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06-15-2009, 06:45 PM
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Cause I am right. 
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06-15-2009, 06:46 PM
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yo matt... PM your cam specs just so i have an idea to compar
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06-15-2009, 06:47 PM
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i mean i got alot of money saved up but im not willing to spend $3000+ on just heads alone man... .not gonna happen...
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06-15-2009, 06:48 PM
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Heads make power. And no.
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06-15-2009, 06:51 PM
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this build is gonna drive me crazy untill the day its done... its already driving my nuts and i havent even started it yet....i wish i knew more about **** so i can just be like yea... this that and this... boom done...
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06-15-2009, 06:52 PM
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Pistons, rods, bearings, cam, heads, valvetrain, crank, oil pump.
Whats so hard?
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06-15-2009, 06:53 PM
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theres so many of each of those to choose from! and im not to keen on what works with what good... im gonna talk to elliot see what he says... but i wanna talk to my local machine shop first...
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06-15-2009, 06:56 PM
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I know its not the best way of going about things but Karl makes some nice engines and lists for the most part all the parts he uses... check it out.
http://www.ellweinengines.com/
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06-15-2009, 06:58 PM
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this guy doesnt build engines anymore though right?
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