Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Calendar
Go Back   NJFBOA - Home of New Jersey's Camaros and Firebirds > Tech Forums > General Tech

Notices


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-25-2017, 12:47 PM   #1
LS1ow
Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
 
LS1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Meadowlands
Posts: 4,512
iTrader: (15)
Social Networks:

No Signal for Starter

Figured more eyes = moar better.

Long story short, there is nothing to signal the starter relay when the key is turned. I was able to jump the relay using a wire to get the car started. Swapped the starter relay with a known good relay and still no dice. This leads me to believe there is an issue with the wiring of my 6 pin gear selector switch, or maybe another wiring issue all together.

There is power at the 85 and 30 pin of the relay, 87 goes to the starter, 86 goes to the BCM, which is the ground.

So what it looks like, to me atleast, the key isnt grounding out the relay. Thus no complete circuit.

However if were to ground out the 86 pin, would that render it on at all times?
__________________
99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
LS1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2017, 02:47 PM   #2
PolarBear
Ebearnezer Scrooge/Power Member/Lips
 
PolarBear's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Hamilton, Mercer county
Posts: 4,141
iTrader: (16)
I don't know about the later cars, but in the late 3rd gens the VATS module told the computer to pulse the injectors, and it also grounded the the starter relay, so if the later cars are similar, that could be your problem. I can look in my service manual when I get home to verify, but that sounds like what your issue is. I have a service manual for a 99 F-body.
If you don't care about security, I would just ground the relay at that pin and be done with it.
Pin 85 would be power for the relay, and 30 would be power for the starter solenoid, so 85 should only be powered when you're cranking

Last edited by PolarBear; 10-25-2017 at 02:50 PM.
PolarBear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2017, 03:29 PM   #3
LS1ow
Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
 
LS1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Meadowlands
Posts: 4,512
iTrader: (15)
Social Networks:

Quote:
Originally Posted by PolarBear View Post
I don't know about the later cars, but in the late 3rd gens the VATS module told the computer to pulse the injectors, and it also grounded the the starter relay, so if the later cars are similar, that could be your problem. I can look in my service manual when I get home to verify, but that sounds like what your issue is. I have a service manual for a 99 F-body.
If you don't care about security, I would just ground the relay at that pin and be done with it.
Pin 85 would be power for the relay, and 30 would be power for the starter solenoid, so 85 should only be powered when you're cranking
So if I do ground 86 it won’t run constantly, it will just run when cranking? I’m fine with lack of security, I was just afraid that having it grounded would mean constant power to it, not only power while crank
__________________
99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
LS1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2017, 03:46 PM   #4
PolarBear
Ebearnezer Scrooge/Power Member/Lips
 
PolarBear's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Hamilton, Mercer county
Posts: 4,141
iTrader: (16)
Quote:
Originally Posted by LS1ow View Post
So if I do ground 86 it won’t run constantly, it will just run when cranking? I’m fine with lack of security, I was just afraid that having it grounded would mean constant power to it, not only power while crank
If it has power to 85 when you're not cranking and you ground the relay it will be enabled the whole time. The VATS/BCM whatever, is grounding that pin at all times when the VATS is disabled though. So Security enabled=pin floating, Security disabled= pin grounded
PolarBear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 06:27 AM   #5
LS1ow
Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
 
LS1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Meadowlands
Posts: 4,512
iTrader: (15)
Social Networks:

Im going to try 1 more thing before a push button start gets delivered from napa
__________________
99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
LS1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 06:35 AM   #6
MDSheds_SS
11 sec club
 
MDSheds_SS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Woodbridge
Posts: 834
iTrader: (1)
Social Networks:

An old HVAC saying.... when in doubt jump it out.... Push Button = Racecar. Pretty sure all the cars in fast & furious are push button start.
__________________
99 Z28 Trick Flow 215s milled to 61cc 228/232 Cam Fast 102 built 4l65e trans 4000 converter 12 bolt 410s Electric WP deleted PS/AC Dyno & Track tuned
2015 ATS Coupe. AWD 2.0 Turbo
2012 2500hd Silverado with LTZ 20s on 35x12.5x20
86 Buick GN Lesabre 1 of 117 (4-Sale)

Last edited by MDSheds_SS; 10-26-2017 at 06:35 AM.
MDSheds_SS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 07:33 AM   #7
sweetbmxrider
Meet Coordinator
 
sweetbmxrider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: brick/pt. pleasant beach
Posts: 19,339
iTrader: (12)
Really dude? You think I'd tell you to ground it out and leave you with a starter spinning always?

The hot is not constant, it comes from the ignition switch. Shove a wire in the terminal and put the relay in over it, ground the other side, see what happens, never doubt me again
__________________
sweetbmxrider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 10:13 AM   #8
LS1ow
Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
 
LS1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Meadowlands
Posts: 4,512
iTrader: (15)
Social Networks:

Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider View Post
Really dude? You think I'd tell you to ground it out and leave you with a starter spinning always?

The hot is not constant, it comes from the ignition switch. Shove a wire in the terminal and put the relay in over it, ground the other side, see what happens, never doubt me again
I didnt know if it would run at all times ! if the relay only got power while crank it would be fine. Now that i know its constant, i know i cant do it.
__________________
99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
LS1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 10:45 AM   #9
sweetbmxrider
Meet Coordinator
 
sweetbmxrider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: brick/pt. pleasant beach
Posts: 19,339
iTrader: (12)
Quote:
Originally Posted by LS1ow View Post
I didnt know if it would run at all times ! if the relay only got power while crank it would be fine. Now that i know its constant, i know i cant do it.
I said not constant. I may have said it the other way in your thread. Just double check it later but you should be good.
__________________
sweetbmxrider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 11:12 AM   #10
LS1ow
Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
 
LS1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Meadowlands
Posts: 4,512
iTrader: (15)
Social Networks:

The want for a push button is strong...
__________________
99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
LS1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 11:46 AM   #11
PolarBear
Ebearnezer Scrooge/Power Member/Lips
 
PolarBear's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Hamilton, Mercer county
Posts: 4,141
iTrader: (16)
Quote:
Originally Posted by LS1ow View Post
The want for a push button is strong...
Just do it then
PolarBear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 12:11 PM   #12
LS1ow
Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
 
LS1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Meadowlands
Posts: 4,512
iTrader: (15)
Social Networks:

Quote:
Originally Posted by PolarBear View Post
Just do it then
i cant handle all this peer pressure !!!
__________________
99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
LS1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 12:26 PM   #13
PolarBear
Ebearnezer Scrooge/Power Member/Lips
 
PolarBear's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Hamilton, Mercer county
Posts: 4,141
iTrader: (16)
Come on man, it'll be fun, you'll feel really good if you do it
PolarBear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 12:26 PM   #14
The_Bishop
Power Member
 
The_Bishop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hackettstown, NJ
Posts: 1,631
iTrader: (3)
__________________
1998 Z-28 - SLP lid - Ported TB - LS6 Intake - Dynatech SS headers/Catted Y - Magnaflow Exh - 3.42 - Yank SS3600 - UMI weld-in subframe connectors, Adj LCA, Adj PHB, Q1A TA - Bolt-in Relocation Brackets - Strano springs - Koni shocks - 17" C6Z06 wheels - 326HP/335ft-lbs - 12.35 @ 110.41

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbirdws6 View Post
I can appreciate a dream but this person needed some real friends.
The_Bishop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 12:45 PM   #15
LS1ow
Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
 
LS1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Meadowlands
Posts: 4,512
iTrader: (15)
Social Networks:

time to get fancy
__________________
99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
LS1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 01:49 PM   #16
wretched73
 
wretched73's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Jackson, NJ
Posts: 1,715
iTrader: (2)
Its been over an hour now. When is the push button being delivered?
__________________
1983 camaro- Scrap
1988 camaro- Also scrap
'05 Silverado- You guessed it, scrap
1988 TRX 250R- Ported w/ high compression on 110 octane- Out 60' your LT1

Jersey Shore Street Car Takeover (JSSCT) Founder

Quote:
Originally Posted by LS1ow View Post
and once i get PHB, what do i ajust it too?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jersey Mike View Post
Seven.
wretched73 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 01:51 PM   #17
wretched73
 
wretched73's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Jackson, NJ
Posts: 1,715
iTrader: (2)


Get this one. The other buttons are start only. This has a start and the very important stop button. No way this can get screwed up!
__________________
1983 camaro- Scrap
1988 camaro- Also scrap
'05 Silverado- You guessed it, scrap
1988 TRX 250R- Ported w/ high compression on 110 octane- Out 60' your LT1

Jersey Shore Street Car Takeover (JSSCT) Founder

Quote:
Originally Posted by LS1ow View Post
and once i get PHB, what do i ajust it too?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jersey Mike View Post
Seven.
wretched73 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 01:53 PM   #18
LS1ow
Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
 
LS1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Meadowlands
Posts: 4,512
iTrader: (15)
Social Networks:

Quote:
Originally Posted by wretched73 View Post
Its been over an hour now. When is the push button being delivered?
It has been delivered actually lmao

not sure i like it, pretty plain. More ride on mower than race car.
__________________
99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
LS1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 01:57 PM   #19
Blackbirdws6
Lord of the rings / 10 Second Club / Meet Coordinator
 
Blackbirdws6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Millstone Township, NJ
Posts: 6,351
iTrader: (3)
Needs moar Honda 2000 PTS
__________________

97 T/A Ram Air Convt
Forever dyno queen / 777rwhp 662 rwtq @ 17lbs / 10.2 @ 140

'24 Corvette Z06
17 Sierra 2500HD Dmax
81 Turbo TA
Blackbirdws6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 02:08 PM   #20
LS1ow
Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
 
LS1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Meadowlands
Posts: 4,512
iTrader: (15)
Social Networks:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbirdws6 View Post
Needs moar Honda 2000 PTS
I wanted a Lambo one, but it turns out there isnt many Huracan or Aventador part out threads on the web !

__________________
99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
LS1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 02:45 PM   #21
sweetbmxrider
Meet Coordinator
 
sweetbmxrider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: brick/pt. pleasant beach
Posts: 19,339
iTrader: (12)
The problem is mounting one clean and getting rid of the key in the column and the steering lock.....when's racewars????
__________________
sweetbmxrider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 02:46 PM   #22
wretched73
 
wretched73's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Jackson, NJ
Posts: 1,715
iTrader: (2)
Quote:
Originally Posted by LS1ow View Post
It has been delivered actually lmao

not sure i like it, pretty plain. More ride on mower than race car.
As long as your car is faster than a riding lawn mower, who cares?
__________________
1983 camaro- Scrap
1988 camaro- Also scrap
'05 Silverado- You guessed it, scrap
1988 TRX 250R- Ported w/ high compression on 110 octane- Out 60' your LT1

Jersey Shore Street Car Takeover (JSSCT) Founder

Quote:
Originally Posted by LS1ow View Post
and once i get PHB, what do i ajust it too?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jersey Mike View Post
Seven.
wretched73 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 04:18 PM   #23
The_Bishop
Power Member
 
The_Bishop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hackettstown, NJ
Posts: 1,631
iTrader: (3)
__________________
1998 Z-28 - SLP lid - Ported TB - LS6 Intake - Dynatech SS headers/Catted Y - Magnaflow Exh - 3.42 - Yank SS3600 - UMI weld-in subframe connectors, Adj LCA, Adj PHB, Q1A TA - Bolt-in Relocation Brackets - Strano springs - Koni shocks - 17" C6Z06 wheels - 326HP/335ft-lbs - 12.35 @ 110.41

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbirdws6 View Post
I can appreciate a dream but this person needed some real friends.
The_Bishop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2017, 06:51 PM   #24
LS1ow
Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
 
LS1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Meadowlands
Posts: 4,512
iTrader: (15)
Social Networks:

Kk, push button start with fighter jet rocket switch to make switch live is wired.

May have uncovered 2 more problems though
__________________
99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
LS1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

  NJFBOA - Home of New Jersey's Camaros and Firebirds > Tech Forums > General Tech

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

» Sponsor List














All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.