Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Calendar
Go Back   NJFBOA - Home of New Jersey's Camaros and Firebirds > Tech Forums > Restorations, Fabrication, Tool and Shop Tech

Notices


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-13-2013, 12:26 PM   #26
LTb1ow
Mongo the Meet Coordinator
 
LTb1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 16,892
iTrader: (8)
Quote:
Originally Posted by transmaro93 View Post
was thinking more about this... is there an actual clearance issue on the trans half of the connector or just a clearance issue when the harness end is plugged in? was thinking today to do it (imo) really clean would be hole saw what you need in that unibody frame brace to clear the connector then from inside the car get a smaller rubber grommet and cut a hole in the actual tunnel itself to what ever size the grommet is poke a small hole in the grommet and depin the harness and punch the wires through the hole made in the grommet (this will now be pretty tight fit for air/water) and repin the connector. loom the portion of the wire that is on the outside of the tunnel for any sharp metal made by the holesaw. to me this is a clean way of doin it with minimal work. tell me what you think. dont forget to etch prime and paint any bare metal.

Yea, you cannot plug the connector in as is, the frame prevents it. I could do what you are suggesting, but it boxes me into have to depin the harness every time I wanna pull the trans out.

Want a easy, simple way to have the trans be plugged in and out.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by KirkEvil View Post
repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
LTb1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 12:32 PM   #27
V
Stalker
 
V's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 12,077
iTrader: (12)
do this... open up trans, remove the connector, extend the wires, close up trans and run harness in a different place.
V is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 12:37 PM   #28
BonzoHansen
Admin.
 
BonzoHansen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Hamilton, NJ
Posts: 20,149
iTrader: (27)
Quote:
Originally Posted by LTb1ow View Post
Yea, you cannot plug the connector in as is, the frame prevents it. I could do what you are suggesting, but it boxes me into have to depin the harness every time I wanna pull the trans out.

Want a easy, simple way to have the trans be plugged in and out.
how many wires in harness?
__________________
Vent Windows Forever!

The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.

Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.

Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
BonzoHansen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 01:35 PM   #29
LTb1ow
Mongo the Meet Coordinator
 
LTb1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 16,892
iTrader: (8)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BonzoHansen View Post
how many wires in harness?
Around 12 wires give or two, at least two cannot be unpinned. They are hard connections to PCM hot/ground common leads.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by KirkEvil View Post
repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
LTb1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 05:13 PM   #30
transmaro93
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: manchester, NJ
Posts: 1,775
iTrader: (2)
ok even with a decent sized hole cut in that frame peice you wont be able to sneak your fingers in there to attach and detach the harness from under the car? ... if this is so what if you "notch" that frame peice? cut a section of it out and creat a "c" channel with some 3/16 steel or somthing then will the harness be able to run on the outside of vehicle like factory? catch my drift? lotta ?'s in there sorry just trying to help you figure this thing out without actually seeing the car in person
__________________
97 Firebird Formula - 383LT1
15 Subaru WRX - 2.0L-turbo
transmaro93 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 05:16 PM   #31
LTb1ow
Mongo the Meet Coordinator
 
LTb1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 16,892
iTrader: (8)
Quote:
Originally Posted by transmaro93 View Post
ok even with a decent sized hole cut in that frame peice you wont be able to sneak your fingers in there to attach and detach the harness from under the car? ... if this is so what if you "notch" that frame peice? cut a section of it out and creat a "c" channel with some 3/16 steel or somthing then will the harness be able to run on the outside of vehicle like factory? catch my drift? lotta ?'s in there sorry just trying to help you figure this thing out without actually seeing the car in person
I have thought of doing that my issues are..

A) Do not want to remove the trans again
B) Figure if I am drilling/cutting, I might as well make it to the harness comes into the car, PCM will be in it anyways
C) Drilling a hole and sealing it with seam-sealer is something I can do, welding in metal is something I cannot
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by KirkEvil View Post
repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
LTb1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 05:54 PM   #32
transmaro93
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: manchester, NJ
Posts: 1,775
iTrader: (2)
ok.. but is it not a bigger pain the in the ass to remove interior every time you have to disconnect that plug. if your looking in the long run to make life easier should the trans have to come out and not remove carpets and such (i forget how shifters in the autos hook up, didnt know if you have to take out console or not). take time now and do it clean and nice. up to you though. i think iv exhausted all my option for doing this. what ever you decide good luck with and if you need me to weld something or help with that let me know
__________________
97 Firebird Formula - 383LT1
15 Subaru WRX - 2.0L-turbo
transmaro93 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 05:58 PM   #33
sweetbmxrider
Meet Coordinator
 
sweetbmxrider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: brick/pt. pleasant beach
Posts: 19,339
iTrader: (12)
You wouldn't have to remove the interior, the wiring would go down with the trans and be unplugged later. I think a big hammer clearance wouldn't be a bad choice.
__________________
sweetbmxrider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 06:05 PM   #34
transmaro93
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: manchester, NJ
Posts: 1,775
iTrader: (2)
lol... so why cant he do what i said yesterday and just cut a small hole from the inside and a larger on in that frame peice... if it can be unplugged once trans is lowered a little... chances are is that once this wire is passed through the tunnel it should never have to be removed... i cant see why it would be..
__________________
97 Firebird Formula - 383LT1
15 Subaru WRX - 2.0L-turbo
transmaro93 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 06:47 PM   #35
sweetbmxrider
Meet Coordinator
 
sweetbmxrider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: brick/pt. pleasant beach
Posts: 19,339
iTrader: (12)
Hahaha I dono maybe I'm wrong but I am assuming that structure has to be removed period and the floor pan is curved where he wants to put the grommet so its making using a hole saw difficult.
__________________
sweetbmxrider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 06:47 PM   #36
WildBillyT
Ayatollah of Rock N Rolla / Admin
 
WildBillyT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Parts Unknown
Posts: 12,573
iTrader: (10)
You putting in a roll bar?
WildBillyT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 07:22 PM   #37
LTb1ow
Mongo the Meet Coordinator
 
LTb1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 16,892
iTrader: (8)
Quote:
Originally Posted by WildBillyT View Post
You putting in a roll bar?
Not at the moment. I know, I know no need for soap box.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by KirkEvil View Post
repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
LTb1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2013, 07:24 PM   #38
V
Stalker
 
V's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 12,077
iTrader: (12)
a hole saw on curved metal is actually not that hard. use a decent pilot drill bit to make the center hole, then use a duller bit that fits in. that way it will be less likely to "walk" or open up the pilot hole to an oblong shape. Then just hold the drill with both hands and start it slowly and adjust speed while holding the drill in the same angle the whole time.
V is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2013, 07:19 PM   #39
LTb1ow
Mongo the Meet Coordinator
 
LTb1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 16,892
iTrader: (8)
Quote:
Originally Posted by V View Post
a hole saw on curved metal is actually not that hard. use a decent pilot drill bit to make the center hole, then use a duller bit that fits in. that way it will be less likely to "walk" or open up the pilot hole to an oblong shape. Then just hold the drill with both hands and start it slowly and adjust speed while holding the drill in the same angle the whole time.


Metal cutting hole saw FTW
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by KirkEvil View Post
repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
LTb1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 07:02 AM   #40
greenformula92
 
greenformula92's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Brick, NJ
Posts: 1,868
iTrader: (1)
well that should work lol
__________________
Formerly known as blk95formula
86t/a_ram_air on TGO

2018 Silverado 1500
greenformula92 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 07:10 AM   #41
sweetbmxrider
Meet Coordinator
 
sweetbmxrider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: brick/pt. pleasant beach
Posts: 19,339
iTrader: (12)
I see the connector! It looks lower?
__________________
sweetbmxrider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 07:18 AM   #42
LTb1ow
Mongo the Meet Coordinator
 
LTb1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 16,892
iTrader: (8)
Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider View Post
I see the connector! It looks lower?
Angle of pic and curve of metal surface are playing tricks with ya.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by KirkEvil View Post
repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
LTb1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 07:22 AM   #43
Blackbirdws6
Lord of the rings / 10 Second Club / Meet Coordinator
 
Blackbirdws6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Millstone Township, NJ
Posts: 6,351
iTrader: (3)
You should keep swiss cheesing the car.
__________________

97 T/A Ram Air Convt
Forever dyno queen / 777rwhp 662 rwtq @ 17lbs / 10.2 @ 140

'24 Corvette Z06
17 Sierra 2500HD Dmax
81 Turbo TA
Blackbirdws6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 07:32 AM   #44
LTb1ow
Mongo the Meet Coordinator
 
LTb1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 16,892
iTrader: (8)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbirdws6 View Post
You should keep swiss cheesing the car.
Why, it will weigh what it needs to.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by KirkEvil View Post
repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
LTb1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 08:34 AM   #45
Blackbirdws6
Lord of the rings / 10 Second Club / Meet Coordinator
 
Blackbirdws6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Millstone Township, NJ
Posts: 6,351
iTrader: (3)
Quote:
Originally Posted by LTb1ow View Post
Why, it will weigh what it needs to.
Do it for the lulz? Every little bit will be needed against the elusive pewter catfish.
__________________

97 T/A Ram Air Convt
Forever dyno queen / 777rwhp 662 rwtq @ 17lbs / 10.2 @ 140

'24 Corvette Z06
17 Sierra 2500HD Dmax
81 Turbo TA
Blackbirdws6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 09:04 AM   #46
LTb1ow
Mongo the Meet Coordinator
 
LTb1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 16,892
iTrader: (8)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbirdws6 View Post
Do it for the lulz? Every little bit will be needed against the elusive pewter catfish.
F that thing, I just wanna run Adam's car and see if we can both shift out of first.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by KirkEvil View Post
repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
LTb1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 11:08 AM   #47
V
Stalker
 
V's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 12,077
iTrader: (12)
Matt, now put a piece of cardboard inside the trans tunnel(to cover the trans, and use rustolem spray paint, like flat black grill paint(high heat) and spray from the inside of the car into the hole. That way you can get some better coverage on the inside of that void in case you get any water intrusion after you figure out the plan to plug the hole.

You could seal the hole in several ways now, other than a large round grommit/gasket. One would be to make a square plate with a hole drilled in each corner and a slot halfway down the middle. drill 4 holes on outside the trans tunnel around the hole which line up with the 4 holes on the plate. insert wiring, then slide plate over wire(through slot) and use 4 machine screws and bolt plate in place after using seam sealant. You could also put the plate on the inside, and re-pin connector through it so its one with the harness(use small grommit then). then cut a horizontal slot on the interior hole so you can slide the plate in laying down, then flip it up to line up with 4 inner drilled holes and then bolt in place.

I may have lost you in the progress of that last paragraph. lol, ill draw up pics if you want.

Last edited by V; 05-02-2013 at 11:09 AM.
V is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 12:12 PM   #48
LTb1ow
Mongo the Meet Coordinator
 
LTb1ow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 16,892
iTrader: (8)
Nah I got what you are saying Paul, I think for now, I am just gonna run it without a grommet because I honestly have not a clue if the harness work will not have a million gremlins.

If things work as planned (highly doubtful), I will work on a nice plate with a firewall fancy grommet for the harness.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by KirkEvil View Post
repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
LTb1ow is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

  NJFBOA - Home of New Jersey's Camaros and Firebirds > Tech Forums > Restorations, Fabrication, Tool and Shop Tech

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

» Sponsor List














All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:57 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.