My take on the 6thgen....

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

but now they're so expensive that when you get into the price range for a Camaro you can start looking at better options than a Camaro.

Not that I'm drooling over the 6thgen, and IMO $50k for a well optioned SS is steep,but what cars are a better option for that price?

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

I've built the Camaro plenty of times, can't get it formatted the way I want. The most power with the least non performacne related options isn't available. As nice as the turbo 4 sounds as a platform it doesn't appeal to me knowing a few hundred more HP can be optioned.

As far as business, there are a lot of ways to make money. Not all require on being all things for all people or making everyone take whatever is supposed to be popular. Across brands and across time there are piles of examples of car companies eliminating features from cars and in many cases people even paying more for the honor. You can look at the old MOPAR Neon ACR program or the recent lines of Lambo lightweights, history shows there is a market for building performance cars with less other stuff.

SRT4 ACR, SV Lambos, and other cars like the GT3 RS have less things but cost more, way more in some cases, than the regular car it's based off of.

Tim, you are part of a very small and decreasing minority of people who want a box with an engine. You are asking for dry-aged waygu for "club pack" pricing.

But, you can buy a 1SS with bigger brakes and suspension without all the leather and other "luxuries" for under 43k. I left off the dual-mode as most people will just go with a full exhaust.

I wish they offered a dry-sump system like they offer for the Corvette.

[LTb1ow]

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[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Not that I'm drooling over the 6thgen, and IMO $50k for a well optioned SS is steep,but what cars are a better option for that price?

Corvette territory.

[sweetbmxrider]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

Corvette territory.

Sure, you are getting there but not all the way. Plus, a vette is not comparable to a camaro from a dd and/or practicality comparison in my eyes.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

Sure, you are getting there but not all the way. Plus, a vette is not comparable to a camaro from a dd and/or practicality comparison in my eyes.

lol who the hell are you to tell a consumer what is and what is not viable. 50 grand will get you a base model Corvette which looks way better and performs just as good...if not better. Camaros have always been the car to give you Corvette performance without a Corvette price....but it's to the point that if Im spending at least 40 grand to step into a v8 Camaro...you might as well plop down the extra 10k down on the backend of the price and go with the Vette.

[V]

I also have to say the rear seat of a 5th gen is basically useless already, can't see the 6th gen being any better. If i was in the market for a 2 door car, a vette would be more attractive than the 6th gen at those prices.

However, In the end, we are all talking about or describing our own preferences and wishes for what cars would come with or what they would cost. I was at a dealer with a new cts-v with a sticker over 100k... imo, thats insane. But that's me, someone will buy it though. The reality is that car companies build stuff and sell stuff based on research and numbers. We, the enthusiasts, don't really control those numbers. We just have to be thankful that the market allows for such great depreciation that in a few years, these amazing cars are actually somewhat affordable to us, the regular people.

[sweetbmxrider]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

lol who the hell are you to tell a consumer what is and what is not viable. 50 grand will get you a base model Corvette which looks way better and performs just as good...if not better. Camaros have always been the car to give you Corvette performance without a Corvette price....but it's to the point that if Im spending at least 40 grand to step into a v8 Camaro...you might as well plop down the extra 10k down on the backend of the price and go with the Vette.

Not sure what you meant initially but everyone's situation is different. A camaro has 4 seats, a corvette 2. Looks are subjective and I am not crazy about the c7. MSRP is from $55,400 for a vette and $37,295 for a 1ss. What you choose from there is your choice, both will add up quick. Not everyone has $18,105 to plop down on the back end. If you do, may I suggest sacking up to the z06?

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

Not sure what you meant initially but everyone's situation is different. A camaro has 4 seats, a corvette 2. Looks are subjective and I am not crazy about the c7. MSRP is from $55,400 for a vette and $37,295 for a 1ss. What you choose from there is your choice, both will add up quick. Not everyone has $18,105 to plop down on the back end. If you do, may I suggest sacking up to the z06?

I'd rather have a base model, bare bones Corvette than a Camaro Fully optioned with things I'll never use. As V said, the backseats arent very useful on the 6th gens anyway and I have a Focus for daily driving. Stretching from 37k to 55k is a lot different from stretching from 37k to 75k. Even at that price, 37k...that gets you a REALLY NICE low miled, well optioned C6 if you don't like the C7's.

37k for a base v8 camaro seems steep considering Challengers and Mustangs can get you there for 30k and look 10 times better doing it. Just my opinion though

[sweetbmxrider]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

I'd rather have a base model, bare bones Corvette than a Camaro Fully optioned with things I'll never use. As V said, the backseats arent very useful on the 6th gens anyway and I have a Focus for daily driving. Stretching from 37k to 55k is a lot different from stretching from 37k to 75k. Even at that price, 37k...that gets you a REALLY NICE low miled, well optioned C6 if you don't like the C7's.

37k for a base v8 camaro seems steep considering Challengers and Mustangs can get you there for 30k and look 10 times better doing it. Just my opinion though

Exactly, its your opinion as is mine that a camaro is more of a dd than a vette. Sure, I'd dd either at any trim level but money is an object thus I drive an 18 year old heep So when money becomes an object yet performance is still desired, some options are out of the picture and there is something to suite your needs.

[The_Bishop]

For me it's very simple: I can take my Wife and Daughter for a ride in the Camaro. Can't do that with the vette. Those back seats aren't useless, after all.

[V]

Originally Posted by The_Bishop

For me it's very simple: I can take my Wife and Daughter for a ride in the Camaro. Can't do that with the vette. Those back seats aren't useless, after all.

I can't. (2014 camaro) With my son in the carrier in the back seat,(on passenger side) the front passenger seat has to be so far up that my wife, or any adult, would be unable to sit in the front seat. There's about 8-10 inches between the front of the seat and the glovebox. And that's with maximum of just 2"-3" of space in back so the seat doesn't touch the carrier. In the past year, not once have I been able to fit my 3 member family in my car all at the same time. My 2001 SS was not that bad from what I remember.

[The_Bishop]

Yeah, the carrier makes things awkward. My daughter's 10, so she's out of the carrier/booster seat thing.

Everyone fits in my '98. Haven't tried to cram everyone into a 6th gen, mostly because I don't have one.

[Frosty]

Now we're comparing a new 6thgen to a low mile used C6? Lmao....really?

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Now we're comparing a new 6thgen to a low mile used C6? Lmao....really?

I mean you can compare it to a C7 but it'd get its ass wiped in every category, including bang for the buck, considering that youll be paying about 40k just to step into a v8 Camaro.

[sweetbmxrider]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

I mean you can compare it to a C7 but it'd get its ass wiped in every category, including bang for the buck, considering that youll be paying about 40k just to step into a v8 Camaro.

Except for cost and passenger capacity

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

Except for cost and passenger capacity

yeah but then it gets wiped by Dodge and the Charger hardcore in those departments It would be a different ballgame if the Camaro was the best looking in its class but Challenger/Charger/Mustang are lightyears ahead in looks.

[Blackbirdws6]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

yeah but then it gets wiped by Dodge and the Charger hardcore in those departments It would be a different ballgame if the Camaro was the best looking in its class but Challenger/Charger/Mustang are lightyears ahead in looks.

Looks are entirely subjective and comparing a 4 door to a 2 door is simply apples to oranges. Personally, I really like the front end of the new Camaro, the rear, not so much but its growing on me. The Mustang is so so from the front in non-GT350 trim but the rear 3/4 is great. Challenger is just a huge car and does not really do much for me. I think it looks cool but can't see myself owning one.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

yeah but then it gets wiped by Dodge and the Charger hardcore in those departments It would be a different ballgame if the Camaro was the best looking in its class but Challenger/Charger/Mustang are lightyears ahead in looks.

aaaaaaaand not in quality. Have you sat in a new Mustang? The interior is a flaming POS, as are the looks(but that is completely subjective).

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

I mean you can compare it to a C7 but it'd get its ass wiped in every category, including bang for the buck, considering that youll be paying about 40k just to step into a v8 Camaro.

OK, and? $50K isn't NEW C7 territory. $50K is also a ridicuously optioned 6thgen with a pointless 6 pot caliper upgrade a silly $2K black wheel option.

If you stick with a 2SS, NPP exhaust, NAV and the Magnetic Ride setup you're closer to $46-47K, WAY below a base C7 price tag no matter how you slice it.

You can't compare to the two, IMO I'd never DD a C7, or any Corvette for that matter(yes, I did on my '98 but I was young and didn't care), a Camaro you could...so that practicality issue now comes to the forefront.

I'm not saying you should fall in love with the 6thgen, I'm still on the fence about the looks but you CANNOT argue the performance and quality of it....it's A LOT better and nicer than the 5th's(and I absolutely love my 5th, especially the mods, the way it sits etc) but facts are fact. A few magazines(take it for what it's worth) have even said forget the Camaro going after the Mustang, it should go Euro hunting...to me that says a lot.

Magazine though don't mean ****, I've driven these cars, performance and quality wise they're the real deal...but everyone in internet land can assume, form opinions, and judge without even seeing one in person let alone driving one.

This is just my opinion and experiences with the car and industry, we all have opinions, take it for what it's worth.

[BigAls87Z28]

I finally got to see a 2 SS/RS at my local dealer and that really sharp blue color. I am totally in love with the smaller proportions. It was parked next to a 5th gen and you could really tell that this car is noticeably smaller in every dimension. It had that dark tan color interior which made it look extremely upscale. It was in the mid 40s but I was very much in love.

[Blackbirdws6]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

I finally got to see a 2 SS/RS at my local dealer and that really sharp blue color. I am totally in love with the smaller proportions. It was parked next to a 5th gen and you could really tell that this car is noticeably smaller in every dimension. It had that dark tan color interior which made it look extremely upscale. It was in the mid 40s but I was very much in love.

So when do we get to see the new car?

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

I finally got to see a 2 SS/RS at my local dealer and that really sharp blue color. I am totally in love with the smaller proportions. It was parked next to a 5th gen and you could really tell that this car is noticeably smaller in every dimension. It had that dark tan color interior which made it look extremely upscale. It was in the mid 40s but I was very much in love.

Huh, when we said things about the portly sized fifth gen you said we were nuts.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

I finally got to see a 2 SS/RS at my local dealer and that really sharp blue color. I am totally in love with the smaller proportions. It was parked next to a 5th gen and you could really tell that this car is noticeably smaller in every dimension. It had that dark tan color interior which made it look extremely upscale. It was in the mid 40s but I was very much in love.

That blue is sharp, we sold one with the black wheel option the other day, guy traded in a 700 mile '14 white Z/28 for it. I made sure I drove it for, ahem, safety purposes before my tech safety checked it.

[sweetbmxrider]

Do they take trade ins on 87 camaros????