Anyone in North Jersey area able to tune V6 Bird? - NJFBOA - Home of New Jersey's Camaros and Firebirds

Mark42 · 01-07-2010, 08:24 AM

I'm still looking for someone local to update the PCM to correct the speedo for the gear change. Need someone with a HPTuners license for 98 V6 or some other application that will update the V6 software.

I would rather deal with someone/speed shop local before doing the mail order tune.

Any suggestions or references are greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

Mark.

NJ Torque · 01-07-2010, 08:58 AM

Check out Devin @ Intense whiplash, I know for a fact he can do 98's.

http://www.intensewhiplash.com/tuning.htm

Whiplash Performance · 01-07-2010, 09:02 AM

Yeah, we do 98 and up tuning.

Mark42 · 01-07-2010, 12:39 PM

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Yeah, we do 98 and up tuning.

Devin, I sent you an E-mail.

Mark

Mark42 · 01-07-2010, 04:22 PM

Anyone else? Any other options?

3.4 grape of wrath · 01-08-2010, 07:16 AM

I use Bob Ida in Morganville he's an old time drag racer knows his stuff. He's right off of Rt 9. Not sure how far from you though but worth the drive.
http://www.idaautomotive.com/default1.asp

Mark42 · 01-08-2010, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 3.4 grape of wrath

I use Bob Ida in Morganville he's an old time drag racer knows his stuff. He's right off of Rt 9. Not sure how far from you though but worth the drive.
http://www.idaautomotive.com/default1.asp

Thanks for that reference.

The problem I'm having is everyone that has HP Tuners only has license for the V8 models, not the V6 models. So they need to buy the V6 license, and that makes it expensive.

I need someone who already has a V6 license. Otherwise, its a mail order tune, which I would like to avoid.

Whiplash Performance · 01-08-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark42

Thanks for that reference.

The problem I'm having is everyone that has HP Tuners only has license for the V8 models, not the V6 models. So they need to buy the V6 license, and that makes it expensive.

I need someone who already has a V6 license. Otherwise, its a mail order tune, which I would like to avoid.

It's going to be really hard to find somebody with unlimited V6 license.
How the license works
pay $500.00 for unlimited model/engine licenses.
or
$100.00 per car.

I'll contact my friend that's down near Philly if he has unlimited credits for v6 camaros if he does I'll let you know.

Good luck

Slow-V6 · 01-08-2010, 06:47 PM

Check out www.firebirdv6.com. Its a site just like this one for V6's. There is a NJ section on there and you can ask those people.

Tru2Chevy · 01-08-2010, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Slow-V6

Check out www.firebirdv6.com. Its a site just like this one for V6's. There is a NJ section on there and you can ask those people.

You can also ask around on http://www.fullthrottlev6.com

- Justin

Mark42 · 01-15-2010, 07:30 AM

No luck finding some one local, so I ordered from pcmforless. They are quick, ordered on Monday, got the PCM on Thursday. Have to mail back a core for refund. But they give no documentation on the changes they made, such as what the fan on/off temps are, if they actually removed the high speed limit, etc. Would be nice to have an overview of what the "off the shelf" tune is. The important part is that the PCM plugged in and started with no issues, and the speedo seems to be correct. Have to verify the odometer with the mile markers on the highway going home today. If the odometer is correct, I'll assume the speedo is correct.

Final step is to do the Case Relearn. I'm calling around to Chevy/Pontiac dealers in the area and see who can do it while I wait, maybe during lunch.

Mark42 · 01-15-2010, 05:25 PM

Update: Found a Chevy dealer who did what is referred to as a "case relearn" on these and other fourms. Turns out the procedure is actually called "Crankshaft Position System Variation Learning Procedure ". I looked it up on GM's Service Information system, and printed the document and brought it with me to the dealer. Handed it to the service manager, so he knew exactly what I wanted. He called a tech over handed him the paper and my keys and told him to go to it. Took about 15 minutes, and they charged me for 15 minutes labor. In and out in less than half an hour.

The best part is the PCM has been updated with the learn, and it was done properly.

I also checked the odometer against mile markers on the highway. After 7 miles, the odometer was still clicking over 1/10 mile increments exactly matching the markers on the side of the road. Cool.

BTW, while I was there a 3rd gen was rolled out of the paint shop. Beautiful orange car. Perfect body panels and gaps were even. Nice.

Slow-V6 · 01-16-2010, 08:37 AM

Just remember if you decide to run a power adder that PCM for less probably Advanced your timing and leaned out the A/F mixter to get you the most power out of a stock car.

Mark42 · 01-16-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Slow-V6

Just remember if you decide to run a power adder that PCM for less probably Advanced your timing and leaned out the A/F mixter to get you the most power out of a stock car.

Thanks for the warning. I think you are right about them changing the A/F mix, especially because they claim 1-3 mpg improvement depending on mods. I doubt this car will ever see any more mods other than oil coolers, wheels/tires and maybe an exhaust. If the exhaust replaced with a Magnaflow, the PCM will go back for more tune. Things like NOS or bolt on blowers are not likely.

Slow-V6 · 01-16-2010, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark42

Thanks for the warning. I think you are right about them changing the A/F mix, especially because they claim 1-3 mpg improvement depending on mods. I doubt this car will ever see any more mods other than oil coolers, wheels/tires and maybe an exhaust. If the exhaust replaced with a Magnaflow, the PCM will go back for more tune. Things like NOS or bolt on blowers are not likely.

I hear you. Thats the way I first felt when I got my 98 V6. Basic bolt ons to start then I was introduced to a little thing called N20.. It was nice having 370rwhp out of a V6 and still getting 30mpg..

Blacdout96 · 01-19-2010, 10:42 AM

I do have a V6 question. My computer can't be tuned by HP and what not (97 computer) but can it still be adjusted for the A/F and timing? as in on a dyno or can that only be obtained by mail order computer? Ive already had my computer tuned before by pcmforless.com.

Slow-V6 · 01-19-2010, 07:40 PM

Mail order or try to find a Maft translator Plus. You can tune the A/F and timing with a turn of a nob. Thats what I used on my 98 firebird and I still have on my 02 WS6.

Tru2Chevy · 01-26-2010, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacdout96

I do have a V6 question. My computer can't be tuned by HP and what not (97 computer) but can it still be adjusted for the A/F and timing? as in on a dyno or can that only be obtained by mail order computer? Ive already had my computer tuned before by pcmforless.com.

97 should be fine for HP Tuners.

From their supported product list:

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97-02 Firebird/Camaro 3.8

- Justin

foff667 · 01-28-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Whiplash Performance

It's going to be really hard to find somebody with unlimited V6 license.
How the license works
pay $500.00 for unlimited model/engine licenses.
or
$100.00 per car.

I'll contact my friend that's down near Philly if he has unlimited credits for v6 camaros if he does I'll let you know.

Good luck

Year/model licenses are only $199.xx for most V6's, single vcm licenses are $99.xx however.

No offense but V6 guys(for the most part) really want something for nothing, V8 fbody guys regularly pay $500+ for a dyno tune, whereas V6 guys have been used to the $125 mail order tuning market for quite some time now.

If you want someone to change for gears or something for $25 your only recourse would be to find someone with that specific hpt license or consider purchasing your own suite.

-Bill

Blacdout96 · 01-28-2010, 12:24 PM

I dont mind what the cost would be, I just would want my car tuned personally and in person rather then swapping it back and forth in the mail, god knows what they really did to my computer. you get what you pay for.

Whiplash Performance · 01-28-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacdout96

I dont mind what the cost would be, I just would want my car tuned personally and in person rather then swapping it back and forth in the mail, god knows what they really did to my computer. you get what you pay for.

We could personally tune your car for you and make updates as you mod your car without having to swap your PCM back and forth.

Blacdout96 · 01-28-2010, 12:45 PM

SEE thats the answer I've been waiting to hear, and you sure you can do a 1997 V6? our computers are tricky as ****.

Whiplash Performance · 01-28-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacdout96

SEE thats the answer I've been waiting to hear, and you sure you can do a 1997 V6? our computers are tricky as ****.

HP tuner's website has it listed that it can tune your computer.
So looks like we would be good to go to tune your car.

Blacdout96 · 01-28-2010, 01:27 PM

hm. well you'll be hearing from me in the near future, I got a cammed/ little higher compressioned/ worked heads engine that will need tuning.

Slow-V6 · 01-29-2010, 11:17 AM

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hm. well you'll be hearing from me in the near future, I got a cammed/ little higher compressioned/ worked heads engine that will need tuning.

What are the specs on the cam and heads you have? What pistons did you use? My old V6 was bored over with stage 1 SSMS heads and a big cam at the time. It dynoed in at 225rwhp and 225rwtq with a tune off of my old Maft translater. HP tuners wasnt working on V6's yet so I wasnt able to adjust my RPM rev limiter to compansate for the cam. My cam made its max power @ 6800 rpms but the stock rev limiter is set at 5800 rpms. I wasnt able to see what my car would have made with a good tune.