Heads up????

[NJSPEEDER]

hey gang,
seems like the heads up idea is pretty popular so i started lookin around the web for some rules ideas. tell me what you think of this.
heads up for "street" type vehicles. no limit on power adders, no minimum weight, bias tire limited to 10.5inch section(no w's allowed) and a max 315section for drag radials(that is a big damn radial )
all cars must have full runnign gear and have current registration and insurance to compete. all cars must have a "full" interior consisting of drivers and passeenger seat(full size seat, seats don't have to match), carpeting and interior panels. back halved cars do not need to run carpet but should be otherwise complete.

does this sound like a reasonable basis for a heads up class?

i doubt it will attract a bunch of mid 7 second cars(they are soooo much fun to watch), but it should support 9 and 10 second cars nicely.

later
tim

[Slow_88]

[camaroracer1992]

crap im not applicable i run 28 x 11.50 tires

[NJSPEEDER]

time to shop for some 28x10.5's and work on that suspension a little

later
tim

[camaroracer1992]

lol yeah if youre buying the tires. i wont be running heads up then, oh well ill haev to dominate the other class

[CrAsH]

My car is to slow

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by CrAsH

My car is to slow

you order the pro charger and i will call them about sponsoring that way both of our issues are solved :P

later
tim

[CrAsH]

wish i could afford at the moment

[Injuneer]

Maybe I can borrow a set of 10.5's...... all I've got right now is a pair of 28x10.5-15W ET Drags and a pair of 28x11.5-15 QTP's.... no 10.5 "non W's".

[camaroracer1992]

i dont think the 10.5 tire rule should apply. if its called heads up that to me means if you cant run with the big boys leave it on the porch. this class should only have the normal safety rules that NHRA has and thats it anything else should go, there may be some bad ass tubbed out cars there that cant run if hteyve got like a set of 18.50's on it

if a car is tubbed with a set of 18.50 on it its not gonna have a passenger seat or carpet cause its gonna be an all out race car so it wouldnt be able to anyway

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by camaroracer1992

i dont think the 10.5 tire rule should apply. if its called heads up that to me means if you cant run with the big boys leave it on the porch. this class should only have the normal safety rules that NHRA has and thats it anything else should go, there may be some bad ass tubbed out cars there that cant run if hteyve got like a set of 18.50's on it

we are avoiding having a wide open heads up class for a reason. if the rules go wide open that emliminates 99% of the people who woudl normally plan to participate because they know they won't be able to compete.
i can see allowing "W" tires ifg everyone thinks it is ok since that is what several national touring series and most of teh quick/ultra quick events allow.
making the rules an all out run what ya brung woudl eliminate just about every member of this club from even bothering to compete.

later
tim

[Mike]

letting the fastest cars go their fastest wooouuld make for a good show 8)

[j0n]

it would be cool to have the "fastest cars go their fastest" but then the idea of having a big grassroots shootout gets lost to the big dollar ******** that are in it for the money and nothing else...yes i would like to see a 7 second shootout but i would rather see a 9 second shootout with people who built their cars to drive, not to make money

[NJSPEEDER]

it is a matter of gettign cars to show up at all if you make heads up a wide open thing. everytime i have been a part of a show that tiend it there weren't more than 4 or 5 cars in the class. last time i tried it i got exactly 2 cars.
with some rules limiting teh cars it actually allows for more people to participate.
i agree it woudl be great fun to see the fastest guys around run, but without a sizable prize fund we woudl be lucky to see 2 or 3 actual fast cars. with a small tire "street" based rules system we can attract the mid 9 to mid 10 second cars that make up a much greater majority of teh boards than the handful of 8second cars that may possibly show up if we can come up with a bunch of cash for a prize fund.
if anyone can come up with rules that would open things up to more cars we can work on it. trying to say that the fastest cars around will all show up jsut because theey fit the rules just doesn't work out.

later
tim

[camaroracer1992]

well my car is totally streetable with full interior minus rear seat i should be allowed to run. mine passes PA inspection every year . i could care less about prize money in the class from the sounds of it theres no pay outs anyway with this event correct? as far as the rules it should be a street driven/inspected car with lights etc. there should be no itsy bitsy tire size/interior rules applied. what the hell does carpet or an interior anyway have to do with street legal? neither is required for inspection

and also 86formula, i know at least 10 people with 18.50's on theyre cars that are streetable and 90% of them are fast as hell, so dont just think that only tubbed cars are race cars

[Mike]

i wasnt refering to 7 second cars coming, i mean the guys that have already expressed their desire for the tires..

this may be a completly ignorant statement but.....wouldnt having a guy change to tires he dosent normally use express a safety concern?

[NJSPEEDER]

the 10.5w tires i can see, so many people already own them since they are used in several series anyway.
runnign an unlimited tire class scares away 90% of teh peopel who woudl be eligable. so many people fear backhalved cars and other lrge tire set ups that they won't participate. without at least 8 cars in the class to fill a traditional pair down it isn't worth having.
i have worked on a bunch of shows that had some open form of heads up and they never draw more than a few cars unloess you have a huge purse to give out. last time i did heads up wit out any restriction at a show we got exactly 2 cars, that isn't gonna help the event any.
the rules package has to have some limits on it to keep it inclusive. what limits do you guys think woudl be reasonable and attract a full field?

how would a change in tire size be unsafe?

later
tim

[camaroracer1992]

state inspected car with appropriate safety equipment

DOT on the sidewalls of the tires regardless of size rubberband to big ole' fatties

[NJSPEEDER]

after talking to soem of teh guys over on camaroz28.com i am thinking we can alter the rules to eliminate back halved cars and allow teh 10.5W tires.
would the rules be better with a stock wheel well only or allow mini tubs for tire clearance. i think the mini tub thing would be fair since first and second gens can have a hard time clearing 10.5's if they are lowered at all, which most of us do to our cars to help traction anyway.
what do you guys think?

later
tim

[j0n]

i havent understood one word of this entire thread so i must say....sounds great!!!

[CrAsH]

y dont u have all of those classes and also have a class for the 7 second guys or big tire guys that way u can have all the street cars and sum track cars.

[j0n]

not enough time/track space/pot money

yea that last one came out wrong

[camaroracer1992]

in all honesty i would suggest not having a payout, or if there was one, dont make it huge. the money from that should go towards club related stuff i think like the fundraiser type stuff. i think if people got footage and all together like in the other post a bad ass DVD from that day would surely raise cash for NJFBOA.ORG

[NJSPEEDER]

that is good thinking.
the only way there will be any cash payouts is if we get some bigger sponsors, like someone wanting to sponsor teh class. first thing teh money will go towards is bigger/cooler trophies (hmmm, how tall of a trophy will fit into a 1st gen for teh drive home? ) the rest of teh money would get put into prize funds or events costs, depending on what we could work out with the sponsor.


later
tim