Way to go GM!

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by qwikz28

If GM sucks so much, why does it concern you enough to return here to cry about it after you sold your GM product?

Tell me that's not really your argument, there are a lot of people on this board that don't own anything GM and still post. Further more this was not a cry, I saw it on another forum and decided to post it here to spread the suckage. Sorry if GM makes thing I don't like, the only good thing about GM is the Cadillac, rest of it is crap.


Wow I really can't believe that you used "you don't own a GM so why do you post here" argument

[Jersey Mike]

They've been talking about the Volt for a few years now, I think a lot of people have heard about it. Without doing a google search, I'm pretty sure there was footage of Lutz driving the Volt to display how quiet it is, as well as how it was still pleasant to drive--maybe last year?

The commercials from GM have been pretty iffy lately; I'm not crazy about the Cadillac commercials at all; meh, the cars moving, so what? It's got wheels, that's what it's supposed to be doing. But I like a lot of the Chevy commercials, with the in-your-face comparisons with competitor vehicles.

I loved these sorts of commercials from GM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxJ0hrbZkBE
as well as the G8 commercials i remember seeing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHokcVWTOAo

[NastyEllEssWon]

i thought everyone knows what the volt was

[WildBillyT]

Some of GM's good ones that they pulled:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVAjK7cJzVY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQKk3PI-DW8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBs5FuCN8nE

[BigAls87Z28]

I have yet to find someone that can tell me, in a round about way, what the Volt is?
Or how its different then a Prius or a Tesla?
GM has goofed up the marketing on this, real bad. Thank God the car will be THAT good.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

I have yet to find someone that can tell me, in a round about way, what the Volt is?

It's a new hybrid car.

Or how its different then a Prius or a Tesla?

Prius cannot be plugged in and only runs on gas. Tesla is electric only, if you run out of juice in the middle of the desert you are dead. Volt features both, technically if you live 5 minutes away from your office you never have to use any gas and only run on electric power - granted you recharge it every so often. In theory it gives you unlimited mpg. I think I'm missing something else, but I can't remember.

GM has goofed up the marketing on this, real bad. Thank God the car will be THAT good.

I don't think I have seen one commercial that explain all that volt can do. So I have to agree.

Do I get a cookie, or am I wrong somewhere?

[BigAls87Z28]

Eh, pretty close.

Ill wait to see what other people say.

[LTb1ow]

So rather than burn gas with a car, we pretend its clean and burn moaar coal out in the power plant! Huzzah!

Btw, if these catch on, how big a drain will they impose upon current power grids?

[BigAls87Z28]

Little. Less then an AC unit.
8 hr charge on 120
3 hr charge on 240
Cost wise is pennies.
I bet everyone here has something plugged in 24/7/365 that takes up more energy per year then the Volt will.
BUT, the car will be able to communicate to smart grids that are being set up in major cities to know when to draw less power.
San Francisico is installing them this year for arrival of the Volt as well as other cars like it.
This is a good time to update our power grid reguardless. Its a mess now, it should be improved.

[LTb1ow]

You mean the same AC units that cause most of NJ to go dark during the summer peak?

[BigAls87Z28]

Yes. Only there will be a 1/100 the number of Volts in NJ, and using up less power.
I see what you are doing...the old Fox news analogy!
VOLT IS LIKE AC, IT WILL KILL YOUR GRANDMA ON LIFE SUPPORT AND OBAMA WONT SAVE YOU MAHAHHAHA DEATH PANNELS!

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Little. Less then an AC unit.
8 hr charge on 120
3 hr charge on 240
Cost wise is pennies.
I bet everyone here has something plugged in 24/7/365 that takes up more energy per year then the Volt will.
BUT, the car will be able to communicate to smart grids that are being set up in major cities to know when to draw less power.
San Francisico is installing them this year for arrival of the Volt as well as other cars like it.
This is a good time to update our power grid reguardless. Its a mess now, it should be improved.

I've post this question before but no one answered. How do you charge it in the city? Let's say I live on the 8th floor of some building in BK, NY and I park on the street not necessarily next to my appt building, in fact it might be 1/4 mile away. How do I charge the Volt? I have never seen this explanation.

It's a serious question.

[BigAls87Z28]

Well, some cities like San Francisco are installing units to charge your car in parking garages, etc etc. More cities should install them in parking garages for apartment buildings, hotels, etc etc. Yet another Goverment job that we could be doing right now? Why not? No idea.
Second of all...if you live in a major city, take public transport!!
I see Volt's selling mostly in suburbia, were mom and/or dad can commute to and from work without gassing up.

[gotmudnj]

the volt is a soft drink right.

[BigAls87Z28]

Thats Jolt...

[gotmudnj]

volt the soft drink. like soda

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Well, some cities like San Francisco are installing units to charge your car in parking garages, etc etc. More cities should install them in parking garages for apartment buildings, hotels, etc etc. Yet another Goverment job that we could be doing right now? Why not? No idea.
Second of all...if you live in a major city, take public transport!!
I see Volt's selling mostly in suburbia, were mom and/or dad can commute to and from work without gassing up.

I read a couple articles on this. A big reason they are doing meters & hookups in garages so they can charge consumers different amounts depending on what time of the day your car is plugged in - like triple during peak time. They need to train the consumer because the grid cannot handle electric cars. It was a small number too, along the lines of if 5% of the cars switched to electric and all plugged in at peak time the grid would melt. The power companies are simply not ready.

I won't even get into the transferrence of pollution, the HAZMAT disaster in waiting that the batteries represent, etc.

[NastyEllEssWon]

isnt the volt different because its an electric car that uses a small gas motor to recharge the car instead of having the electric motor boost the gas motor it works the opposite way around.

[qwikz28]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Tell me that's not really your argument, there are a lot of people on this board that don't own anything GM and still post. Further more this was not a cry, I saw it on another forum and decided to post it here to spread the suckage. Sorry if GM makes thing I don't like, the only good thing about GM is the Cadillac, rest of it is crap.


Wow I really can't believe that you used "you don't own a GM so why do you post here" argument

I didn't ask why you are posting without a GM product, I asked why you come here if you hate it. Way to respond to the argument tough guy.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by qwikz28

I didn't ask why you are posting without a GM product, I asked why you come here if you hate it. Way to respond to the argument tough guy.

Well, "hating" is part of posting, plus this is one of the only website that will defend GM no matter what the discussion is about. Ok maybe not 100% but a good 80+. So it keeps me entertained. I come here for the funnies.

[deadtrend1]

Stay On Topic...

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

I read a couple articles on this. A big reason they are doing meters & hookups in garages so they can charge consumers different amounts depending on what time of the day your car is plugged in - like triple during peak time. They need to train the consumer because the grid cannot handle electric cars. It was a small number too, along the lines of if 5% of the cars switched to electric and all plugged in at peak time the grid would melt. The power companies are simply not ready.

I won't even get into the transferrence of pollution, the HAZMAT disaster in waiting that the batteries represent, etc.

Let me tell you what, if a couple of cars pluggedi nto the grid, even all at the same time, fry the grid, we have bigger problems. Much bigger problems.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Let me tell you what, if a couple of cars pluggedi nto the grid, even all at the same time, fry the grid, we have bigger problems. Much bigger problems.

5% of the cars on the road are more than a couple. There are over 250 million registered cars in the US. I don't remember the % discussed, maybe it was 10%. But it wasn't a high %.

And that was the exact fear the power companies expressed. These were CA companies, and they expect a much higher initial adoption rate there.

So yes, we have bigger problems.

[BigAls87Z28]

Wait...5% of all cars in the US? thats 12.5 million EV's on the road? Maybe thats 10 years from now? GM doesnt expect more then selling 100k cars at its peak, which they guess 2-3 years down the road.
So in 10 years, they cant fix the grid? ********, status quo nonsense. ******** x10.
Power companies just are lazy to do anything.

[wretched73]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Wait...5% of all cars in the US? thats 12.5 million EV's on the road? Maybe thats 10 years from now? GM doesnt expect more then selling 100k cars at its peak, which they guess 2-3 years down the road.
So in 10 years, they cant fix the grid? ********, status quo nonsense. ******** x10.
Power companies just are lazy to do anything.

Or too cheap. Upgrades cost money