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Vette and the MN12 chassis's are much different then these cars.
#2, the Camaro's tested have less then 1k miles on it.
#3, EVERY review so far has the Camaro in the 13.0 or faster. Show me how many car rags hit 13.0 @ whatever mph consistantly in testing.
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05-05-2009, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz
I still remember back in the day when I had my full bolt on / 373's 97 LT1 and raced my buddys brand new 99 A4 SS...I held him off for awhile from a dig then around 80 bye bye LS1 to the tune of 2 cars real quick  ...damn that was a bitter pill to swallow then. |
My 94 Formula with a set of 3.73's, mid headers, Transgo shift kit and a CAI was taking out LS1's in the 1/4. I know a couple of LS1 guys who will tell you I beat them by a few car lengths.. I probably currently have like 1/4th the amount of money you put into changing over into a LS1,, anytime you want to run, just shoot me a PM,. I am usually at the track once a week anyway.
Still am very impressed how well LS1 react to mods though and stock for stock, they are the more efficient design to the prior platforms.
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05-05-2009, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Formulalt1
My 94 Formula with a set of 3.73's, mid headers, Transgo shift kit and a CAI was taking out LS1's in the 1/4.
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Pretty general statement...some info would be good. FYI I had the exact same setup on my 97 z28. We're they stock 273 cars because w/ those mods id imagine the race would be over after the 8th w/ either a 323 auto or 6spd LS car. I remember when the LS1's first came out, watching them at etown vs. LT1's it would be a close run til the 8th then the LS1 just left.
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05-05-2009, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Formulalt1
I probably currently have like 1/4th the amount of money you put into changing over into a LS1
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Doubt that seeing I bought the car complete w/ the swap already done for 3500.00 bucks. As far as racing you I have nothing to prove to anyone. Only part of the track this car might see is the parking lot.
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05-05-2009, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz
Pretty general statement...some info would be good. FYI I had the exact same setup on my 97 z28. We're they stock 273 cars because w/ those mods id imagine the race would be over after the 8th w/ either a 323 auto or 6spd LS car. I remember when the LS1's first came out, watching them at etown vs. LT1's it would be a close run til the 8th then the LS1 just left.
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What more info would you like?. I can state what I had again if that would help? and I have seen plenty of LT1's with very similiar mods beat stock auto and stick LS1's both on the street and at the track. I am not a LS1 hater and give them mad respect but you are talking about a 40 horsepower difference stock for stock and thats easily made up for when modding comes into play. I agree a stock LT1 racing a stock LS1 will keep pretty close race til around 80 give or take 5 MPH and then the LS1 will start walking on it. I have also seen LT1's stock take LS1 out of the hole pretty good then get passed down the track at some point. It depends alot on who's driving each but we aren't talking about a hundred horsepower difference from the two different platforms from the factory anyway.
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05-05-2009, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz
Doubt that seeing I bought the car complete w/ the swap already done for 3500.00 bucks. As far as racing you I have nothing to prove to anyone. Only part of the track this car might see is the parking lot.
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I am not going to go into how much I paid for my car but I still think I am way under. I am not hating on your LS1, I am just stating for a guy who thinks a underdog LT1 can't be made fast cause you had a "full bolt on" LT1 that couldn't even give a stock LS1 a run for its money, you might be willing to back up that statement.
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05-05-2009, 10:02 AM
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What more info would you like?. I can state what I had again if that would help?
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You didnt state anything lol...All you said is you beat LS1's in the 1/4....and I asked you what tranny(or mods) they had. The Lt1 setup you stated is good for mid to lower 13's at best...and is traping nowhere near a properly driven stock 6spd LS car....or some stock autos for that matter.
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05-05-2009, 10:07 AM
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I am just stating for a guy who thinks a underdog LT1 can't be made fast
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Funny I dont remember saying that..
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05-05-2009, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz
You didnt state anything lol...All you said is you beat LS1's in the 1/4....and I asked you what tranny(or mods) they had. The Lt1 setup you stated is good for mid to lower 13's at best...and is traping nowhere near a properly driven stock 6spd LS car....or some stock autos for that matter.
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I am talking stock LS1's. I raced guys with a stock auto, had 3.23's in some cases (got a few friends that had auto's with 3.23's ). I raced a friend's 6 speed out in long island and it was probably even longer than a 1/4 and he didn't pass me.
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05-05-2009, 10:12 AM
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Funny I dont remember saying that..
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You know what, I hate net racing. Any time you would like to show up a LT1, you just let me know and stating a full bolt on LT1 can't beat a stock LS1 is saying it takes alot to make them fast and with that, I highly disagree.
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05-05-2009, 11:19 AM
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and stating a full bolt on LT1 can't beat a stock LS1 is saying it takes alot to make them fast and with that, I highly disagree.
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Cant recall ever saying that either. Sounds like you have a super LT1...good luck w/ that. Since you need it put in black and white any properly drive stock 323 or 6spd. LS car should have its way w/ YOUR bolt on LT1 in the 1/4. I think you beat some drivers rather then their cars.
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05-05-2009, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz
Cant recall ever saying that either. Sounds like you have a super LT1...good luck w/ that. Since you need it put in black and white any properly drive stock 323 or 6spd. LS car should have its way w/ YOUR bolt on LT1 in the 1/4. I think you beat some drivers rather then their cars.
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My car is a long way from just having some gears and a set of headers. I was stating back then what I had and was taking out "stock" LS1's. I have also raced too many LS1's to realize what they should of done and what happened, so I will just add maybe you should take driving lessons if you couldn't beat that LS1 with a full bolt on LT1 back in the day. Peace and good luck with the car, let me know if you ever make it to the track.
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05-05-2009, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Formulalt1
My car is a long way from just having some gears and a set of headers. I was stating back then what I had and was taking out "stock" LS1's. I have also raced too many LS1's to realize what they should of done and what happened, so I will just add maybe you should take driving lessons if you couldn't beat that LS1 with a full bolt on LT1 back in the day. Peace and good luck with the car, let me know if you ever make it to the track.
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Wasnt my driving it was the wrong choice of headers. Good luck with your car as well.
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05-05-2009, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz
Cant recall ever saying that either. Sounds like you have a super LT1...good luck w/ that. Since you need it put in black and white any properly drive stock 323 or 6spd. LS car should have its way w/ YOUR bolt on LT1 in the 1/4. I think you beat some drivers rather then their cars.
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A properly driven bolt on LT1 runs, what, anywhere from 13.40's-13.20's(typically)?
That's right up the alley of a stock LS1...not every LS1 is a 12 second factory freak.
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05-05-2009, 11:44 AM
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Noooo your missing the point here. A stock LS1 can't be beat. Der. They are just to fast, to furious.
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05-05-2009, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Frosty
A properly driven bolt on LT1 runs, what, anywhere from 13.40's-13.20's(typically)?
That's right up the alley of a stock LS1...not every LS1 is a 12 second factory freak.
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Yea typically with long tubes...he had mids.
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Noooo your missing the point here. A stock LS1 can't be beat. Der. They are just to fast, to furious.
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05-05-2009, 12:00 PM
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Yea typically with long tubes...he had mids.
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LMFAO!!!!!. Oh man, I really gotta stop reading what people write on forums. Cause we all know the difference between mids and long tubes is astonishing. It was almost like I added a 100 shot when I switched to long tubes.
Edit- If I gained a tenth=10horsepower from switching. I would have been shocked,
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05-05-2009, 12:01 PM
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Yea typically with long tubes...he had mids.
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You're nit-picking now. I don't see how it's so far-fetched his bolt on LT1 laid the smack down on a few LS1's...
Some people here need to drop the f'in ego, seriously. I've owned a few LS1 cars and yes, the motors ARE the best out there but contrary to popular believe God didn't build the motor...he was on vacation that day....and yes the LS1 can be beat :gasp:
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05-05-2009, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Formulalt1
LMFAO!!!!!. Oh man, I really gotta stop reading what people right on forums. Cause we all know the difference between mids and long tubes is astonishing. It was almost like I added a 100 shot when I switched to long tubes.
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On LT1's it was...what were they slp?
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LMFAO!!!!!. Oh man, I really gotta stop reading what people right on forums. Cause we all know the difference between mids and long tubes is astonishing. It was almost like I added a 100 shot when I switched to long tubes.
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Dude, long tubes would give you like a full .01111115 faster time on a bolt on car....that's obviously the difference maker....
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05-05-2009, 12:03 PM
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On LT1's it was...what were they slp?
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I had Pacesetter mids and now have pacesetter long tubes.
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05-05-2009, 12:05 PM
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Dude, long tubes would give you like a full .01111115 faster time on a bolt on car....that's obviously the difference maker....
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Id have to disagree w/ that..all depends on what brand of mids it was.
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05-05-2009, 12:07 PM
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I had Pacesetter mids and now have pacesetter long tubes.
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Pacesetter mids on LT1's might as well been called shorties...I had the same set.
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Id have to disagree w/ that..all depends on what brand of mids it was.
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Again, nitpicking...stop being so ass-hurt because a LS1 got beat.
....and my post was laced with sarcasm. 
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Again, nitpicking...stop being so ass-hurt because a LS1 got beat.
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lol. I think those were the worst shorty/mid headers ever made for a LT1...The Y pipe that came w/ the set didnt even come close to mateing up to the exhasut system 
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