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12-06-2008, 08:56 PM
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yeah just wait. we'll see how fast these are. im not saying my car is the fastest in the world...but seeing how most sedans are running 14s these days the camaro isnt a heart stopper.
4k lbs of nothing.
also the rear window doesnt flow with the rear crease at all....its hideous. you say what you want and ill say what i want. ban me cause i dont like the 5th gen.
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12-06-2008, 09:00 PM
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12-06-2008, 09:03 PM
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The 6 cyl will be a high to mid 13second car and the V8 will roll well into the 12's.
BTW, the new Camaro only weighs about 100lbs more that a lot of 4th gen coupes. That isn't much considering it is a 5star crash rating vs the 3.5 of the previous cars along with how many more standard features the new car has.
Hell, my hardtop with rather typical options weighed a touch under 3700 when I went to the track the first time and I don't have leather, t-tops, or any of the heavy SS options. I don't consider the new car being 3900lbs full wet a very big deal.
The kicker that will get JL8Jeff to buy it is that the towing capacity is nearly doubled. lol
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12-06-2008, 09:06 PM
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There's a difference between not liking the 5thgen and being completely clueless. I'm not all about the new Camaro either...the looks are "ok"....I still hate the interior....I don't like IRS(I'd rather have a solid axle) but to call it slow....it's ridiculous and unfounded. Considering a slightly tweaked V6 "should" give a lot of stock LS1's a run for it's money calling it slow is downright retarded.
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12-06-2008, 09:15 PM
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really i wouldnt even call the v6 slow... may be its cause i got a ruststang LOL... but seriously all these new v6 got some power look at the CTS and aven the acura TL type S... now imagine how that new LS is gonna be even compared with the LS1 if u like that so much
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12-06-2008, 09:27 PM
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we'll see when people run them in the real world. on paper they dont that great.
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12-06-2008, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER
BTW, the new Camaro only weighs about 100lbs more that a lot of 4th gen coupes. That isn't much considering it is a 5star crash rating vs the 3.5 of the previous cars along with how many more standard features the new car has.
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Wait, I thought 4th gens were around 3300-3400 lbs or so. 2010 SS is tipping over 3900. I'm getting poor intel.
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12-06-2008, 09:37 PM
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A stripped V6 may be down there is weight, I would say that a "light" 4th gen is more typically around 3500 or so lbs, maybe it is 3300-3400 dry.
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12-06-2008, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon
the new camaro is fat, slow, ugly and independant rear suspensioned.....isnt this the reason the gto didnt sell?
I dont see much of a difference really
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Fat? Its a bit portly, sure, but whatever.
Slow? 0-60 if 4.6, deep into the 12's int he 1/4...
Ugly? Your opinion, but its not shared with the majority.
And yes...IRS
None of which why the GTO didnt sell.
GTO sold well, especially compared to its competition and even better when it got teh LS2.
GTO outsold the 04 Cobra and 02 Trans Am. I also belive it outsold your beloved catfish SS cars in 02 as well.
GTO didnt fail. It didnt burn the charts up, but then again it really didnt have the ability. Shipping 12-18k units to the US for ONLY 3 years was the deal. If they sold all 18k units in the first month, for three years, it still would have only been 3 years.
And it did well enough to bring a much better equiped G8 here to the US as well, in 4 flavors. V6, 2 V8's and a truck variant.
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12-07-2008, 12:27 AM
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your sadly mistaken if you think i like the looks of 4th gen camaros. imo theyre exceptionally hideous. i enjoy everything else about it. only reason i got a camaro is cause ws6's are too overpriced imo.
camaro is supposed to be a bang for your buck car.
i highly doubt its gonna be running in the low 12s. ill believe it when i see production cars clipping off those numbers.
im actually partial to the thirdgens in the looks dept.
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12-07-2008, 08:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon
im actually partial to the thirdgens in the looks dept.
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You sir, are one confused person.... A thirdgen > 4th gen???
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12-07-2008, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon
i highly doubt its gonna be running in the low 12s. ill believe it when i see production cars clipping off those numbers.
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4th gens typically ran in the 13s. But, with the right driver, an LS1 4th gen could run in the high 12s...so i wouldn't be surprised if the 5th makes mid to low 12s.
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12-07-2008, 09:10 AM
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You sir, are one confused person.... A thirdgen > 4th gen???
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I have to agree with him to a point, especially in the Camaros. A nice clean Iroc or Z28>>>>>>than a oversized Geo Storm, er I mean LT1 Camaro
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12-07-2008, 09:25 AM
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I have to agree with him to a point, especially in the Camaros. A nice clean Iroc or Z28>>>>>>than a oversized Geo Storm, er I mean LT1 Camaro
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Also GTA >>>> LT-1 T/A
I'd also rather have the standard SBC setup than that bastardized mess LT-1.
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12-07-2008, 11:00 AM
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Turd gens are pitiful.
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12-07-2008, 11:06 AM
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ls1 camaros look like chryslers. lt1s look like big geo storms
third gen looks are timeless....i enjoy the older ones but dont spend my time thinking about them....id rather have an ugly car that handles good than a beautiful car that rides like a school bus
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12-07-2008, 11:42 AM
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G8 GXP is the closest we are gunna get to Camaro SS times. Shave 150lbs off the G8, and thats the Camaro for the most part.
5th gens are a half a second faster to 60, so its safe to say that the 5th gen will be at least that through the 1/4. And for a lower price too.
Figure that an SS optioned to match the 5th Gen SS would be priced out at around 32k, and that is in 2002 dollars. A 1SS Camaro is 31k..
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12-07-2008, 03:25 PM
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A stripped V6 may be down there is weight, I would say that a "light" 4th gen is more typically around 3500 or so lbs, maybe it is 3300-3400 dry.
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my car, with 3/8th tank, me, and back when i had the stereo system weighed 3720 at raceway's scales. i'm not a light guy either. my registration says 3411 curb weight for an LS1 car with leather and ttops.
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12-07-2008, 05:10 PM
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geez, you guys are all over the place.
i'll continue to drive my 1st gen as occasionally as i do now. i will turn up the heat on getting the '87 done this year (2009). i will buy a fully optioned 2010 camaro RS/SS.
why fully optioned? in my old age i have come to appreciate the cushier things in life. also, i know from experience that you have to spend money to make money (1969 RS/SS 375hp 396 JL8 > 1969 307 coupe - in dollars). i also look at things from a deeper perspective than what i am going to climb in and drive today, and i know investment means long-term. i'm not buying this car to play on the strip with. i have other plans for that.
if/when i ever sell the 2010, it will be for more than i paid for it. think about that for a while.
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12-07-2008, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jims69camaro
geez, you guys are all over the place.
i'll continue to drive my 1st gen as occasionally as i do now. i will turn up the heat on getting the '87 done this year (2009). i will buy a fully optioned 2010 camaro RS/SS.
why fully optioned? in my old age i have come to appreciate the cushier things in life. also, i know from experience that you have to spend money to make money (1969 RS/SS 375hp 396 JL8 > 1969 307 coupe - in dollars). i also look at things from a deeper perspective than what i am going to climb in and drive today, and i know investment means long-term. i'm not buying this car to play on the strip with. i have other plans for that.
if/when i ever sell the 2010, it will be for more than i paid for it. think about that for a while.
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Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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12-07-2008, 07:47 PM
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third gen looks are timeless
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12-07-2008, 07:58 PM
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Nice, im not sure what responses u expected to get but haters on a Gm board but it looks like we might see our 1st 12 second GT...I think it looks good ,ford did the visual overhall they needed 4 years ago....and the terminator in 04 put to rest the head to head debate.
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4th Gen...
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Ban you cuz you don't like 5th gens? No, we're gonna ban you cuz your an *********
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Since when were you included in the "we" that can do anything about anything?
Giant step back killer. You haven't exactly proven yourself to be the brightest bulb either.
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