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Why not a 4L60E if you already have the LT1?
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01-19-2009, 07:19 PM
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because i like 700r4's and you dont need a computer to run it
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01-19-2009, 07:22 PM
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A 700R4 is basically just a Turbo350 with an overdrive gear added to it. If a TH350 won't stand up to the power you'll be making, a comparable 700R4 won't either. You can get a mildly built TH350 that will handle your power goals with ease for far less than a comparable 700R4.
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01-19-2009, 07:24 PM
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im fully aware of that
i have a stock turbo350
i want 4 gears, and while im at it, i might as well get a built trans that can handle more power
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01-19-2009, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TronsBird
im fully aware of that
i have a stock turbo350
i want 4 gears, and while im at it, i might as well get a built trans that can handle more power
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A 700-R4 can hold some good power if it's built up right. But if you want something that's bulletproof for high HP numbers you should look elsewhere. A 200-4R can be a good choice. Have you looked into those?
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01-19-2009, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TronsBird
tci has torque converters to match their transmissions
i just have no idea what my ratio is
3.43 or 3.73
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The converter needs to be matched to the engine combo, besides the application there is nothing the converter has to be matched to the trans with.
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01-19-2009, 08:54 PM
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Why not a 4L60E if you already have the LT1?
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Why would you add a 4L60 E behind a carbed LT1?
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01-19-2009, 09:35 PM
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Quote:
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Why would you add a 4L60E behind a carbed LT1?
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01-19-2009, 09:41 PM
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ive never heard anyhting good about a 200r4, ever
tci stall's are 500 bucks, anything cheaper thats a 3,000?
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01-19-2009, 10:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TronsBird
ive never heard anyhting good about a 200r4, ever
tci stall's are 500 bucks, anything cheaper thats a 3,000?
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Research a little more. 200-4Rs can be built up a lot... just ask a Grand National guy.
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01-19-2009, 10:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TronsBird
ive never heard anyhting good about a 200r4, ever
tci stall's are 500 bucks, anything cheaper thats a 3,000?
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Sounds like you haven't been talking to the right people....the 200R4 is a good transmission that can be built up very strong.
TCI converters are on the cheap side....a good unit with a higher efficiency will usually run you a few hundred more.
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01-19-2009, 10:10 PM
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yeah, thats the only good thing
when they're "grandnationalized"
the tci is 2k, and can handle 600hp
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01-19-2009, 10:34 PM
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Torque converters are more than just where they stall. Efficency, durability, quality of parts, and construction should all be taken into consideration... It looks to me like you are just using price and the rating the company gives as your factors. The company can rate its products for 1000 hp the fact is that if it isnt built right and out of the right materials than it WILL fail. Their warranty is useless because custom and performance equipment cannot be warrantied by just their nature of use. Jeeze, I think boss hog has some of thier junk for under $400 that stalls around 3000 that dosent mean you would find one in any of my cars. Even better, I can probably get the hacks at Pat's to cut a stocker apart and lay the fins down for $250!
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01-19-2009, 10:40 PM
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as far as i know tci is one of the best to buy transmissions and components from
im not one of those tools who only cares about price, i just want the best for the cheapest cause im on a budget
i dont wanna sound like a noob, but they've been put in alot of hot rod project cars and have never had anything bad said about them
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01-19-2009, 10:47 PM
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The 200-4R is smaller and lighter than a 700-R, and the first gear ratio is 2.74, vs. 3.06 in the 700. Unless yer looking to pull stumps with yer car, the 200 1st gear is way more manageable. I have 200-4Rs in both my AMX and Turbo T, and unless some low tech, high falutin' 6 or 8 speed auto comes down the pike, I will probably always use 200-4Rs. In fact the only down side I've found is that the 200-4R tailshaft is part of the body casting. Since this makes it non-removable, a Gear Vendor O/D unit cannot be added.
And for the record concerning TCI: I had one of their convertors and one of their TH 400 trannies go *POOF* on me after very few miles behind a mild 455 Olds. After that I swore I would NEVER use a tranny from anyone that I couldn't visit in person if there was a problem.
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01-19-2009, 10:48 PM
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I dont know where you are getting your information but you may want to look elsewhere..
Like your "Grandnationalized" comment. there are very few differences between a stock turbo buick 2004r and say a cadillac 2004r. The buick may have an extra clutch plate or two but most of the differences are in the valve body. Actually the late 2004r units use the same converter as a 700r4.
The thing about Hot Rod project cars is they will install products from whatever company that will pay the most or give the most free stuff for the car they are building, that dosent make them better.
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01-19-2009, 10:50 PM
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truth truth
idk, they seem well built
how much would a 200-4r that can handle 500hp run me?
and, differentials
i have a 10 bolt, some say they can be built, some say they're garbage
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01-19-2009, 10:52 PM
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btw, props on owning an AMX
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01-19-2009, 10:58 PM
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around $900 depending on the condition of the core
depends on which 10 bolt.. if it is an 8.5" it will handle some power, if it is a 7.5" RUN! the pin may already have been pulled and it may explode at any minute!!!
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01-19-2009, 11:00 PM
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yeah, thats what i read, the 8.5 is the next best thing to an 8.75 on a 12 bolt
and , if anyone can help me locate a trans sometime this summer, id greatly appreciate it lol
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01-19-2009, 11:04 PM
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Quote:
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btw, props on owning an AMX
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Thanks. It's getting enough GM parts that pretty soon it's gonna be like a Camaro. lol
Josh is the go to guy for H.P, work, so he'd be able to point you in the right direction as to pricing or a trans shop. My tranny guy passed away last year, so I'll be hitting Josh up for info as well when I need a new tranny guy.
Your 8.5 10 bolt rear is a pretty damn good rear, and should be able to take what you are looking for it to do. I had the same rear in my 79 Trans Am, and that had the 455 Olds I mentioned earlier. That engine had tons of low end torque, and I was known to beat on it a bit, and it never gave me any probs. The only change I made was to install some 3.73s in place of the stock 2.41s. I even know a couple of AMC guys who put T/A 8.5s in their Javelins, because they are better rears than the AMC Dana 20s, and you could get 'em with disc brakes from the factory.
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01-19-2009, 11:10 PM
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yup, im restoring this one, i have 4 15x7 snowflakes, 2 15x10 chevy rallyes with fat hoosier quick times on them., idk how good those tires are though
my drivers sive fender is totaled. everything else is suprising sound for a 30 year old car
my interior needs straightening out but its all there
i wanna go pontiac power, but i cant afford it at this point in my life
my dad recently got a 79 t-top t/a with a 4.9 given to him, he says hes dropping a 455 in it
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01-19-2009, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TronsBird
yup, im restoring this one, i have 4 15x7 snowflakes, 2 15x10 chevy rallyes with fat hoosier quick times on them., idk how good those tires are though
my drivers sive fender is totaled. everything else is suprising sound for a 30 year old car
my interior needs straightening out but its all there
i wanna go pontiac power, but i cant afford it at this point in my life
my dad recently got a 79 t-top t/a with a 4.9 given to him, he says hes dropping a 455 in it
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They are awesome cars with very good parts coverage. I miss the hell outa mine sometimes. The 455 Olds with the stock 2.41 gears made for a helluva top ender. lol You can always put a Poncho in it later on, but you will probably be more than happy w/ the LT1. I like LT1s. In fact, guess what my AMX is gonna get down the road?
And here's something that might interest you: I have a set of 2 inch dropped spindles, cross drilled rotors, rebuilt calipers, new Hawk brake pads, and new bearings and seals that were left over from my T/A. I made the mistake of swapping this set up onto my Turbo T, because I read it would work on a G body. Well, I'm an azzhat for listening to what I read on the WWW, because the set up basically makes the car undrivable and unalignable. So, I'm going back to the G body brakes and spindles and I'm going to be selling the F body set up. So, if you're looking for dropped spindles and upgraded brakes gimme a holla and we'll see what we can do.
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2008 Crown Vic Police Interceptor: 'Nuff said!
THE ONLY THING THAT SUCKS WORSE THEN IMPORTS ARE RICED OUT IMPORTS!!!
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mine is all good to go and there, i might need new lines, but thatd be about it for brakes
ill let my dad know, hes getting it for free so hes all pumped up on all the money he'll be able to put into mods
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mine is all good to go and there, i might need new lines, but thatd be about it for brakes
ill let my dad know, hes getting it for free so hes all pumped up on all the money he'll be able to put into mods
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Yeah, just give me a holla if interested. The set up is still on the Turbo T, so it isn't going anywhere for a while. I just got the rest of the parts in that I need to convert back to the G body brakes, so little by little I'll be taking the F body stuff off.
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2013 Dodge Avenger RT: Wastelands cruiser.
2008 Crown Vic Police Interceptor: 'Nuff said!
THE ONLY THING THAT SUCKS WORSE THEN IMPORTS ARE RICED OUT IMPORTS!!!
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