View Poll Results: Which mod has the most noticable improvment
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3600 Vig stall converter
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10-05-2009, 07:52 PM
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Gears or converter 1st ?
Im getting a 98 Z with an auto and 2:73's Its completely stock . Its gonna need help out of the hole . Should I do the 3600 vig conveter or a set of gears 1st ? I was thinking 4:10's because I dont think 3:73's are going to make much of a change . It not a D/D just a weekend /fun ride .
Of course Im gonna do the basics too (Lid ,Exhaust and a LS6 intake)
Last edited by FASTEDDIE Z; 10-15-2009 at 08:26 PM.
Reason: had the wrong gears listed
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10-05-2009, 08:18 PM
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4.10s are a bit steep for an auto unless it's gonna be at the drag strip often on a taller than stock tire.
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10-05-2009, 08:35 PM
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3600 will be very nice, do not go 4.10's 3.73's will be good or stock 3.42's.
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10-05-2009, 09:30 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2008
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I have 4.10s and I wish i had a 3.73 gear. Granted I have a totally different setup but I think its too much gear for the street. You'll probably see some noticable gains in times with just a new converter, a tune, and the basic bolt ons
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10-05-2009, 11:28 PM
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With the 3.23 gears go with a SS4000 converter.
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10-06-2009, 10:33 AM
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i have a vig 3600 and 3.73s. Love them both the 3.73s are perfect at the track. Im at like 6 grand in 3rd when i trap. Couldnt tell you which is better got both at the same time.
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10-06-2009, 10:55 AM
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323's are fine, id go w/ the stall.
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10-06-2009, 11:15 AM
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For a stock motor i would go with 3.42 first (this will give you the best of both worlds) remember your tranny has a deep 1st gear)....
For the converter I would talk to the guys at pro torque converter. http://www.protorque.com/ (i have their 2800 rpm stall in my car (383 procharger car with 3.23 gears and i love it because its nice around town put when you punch it it will flash to a little over 3000 rpm giving you the punch you want for steet /strip ..... i blew up the vig on the dyno and will never go back to them this converter has took everything i threw at it (and will well over 600 pounds of torque) the vig did not last long under boost..
I see to many people putting in 3000 + rpm stalls on stock motors and trannys way over kill plus on a stock trannys wont like the added heat which will lead to a early death to the tranny...
Last edited by siguy; 10-06-2009 at 11:30 AM.
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10-06-2009, 04:32 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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I had a vig 3600 in my car before it broke ran a best of a 1.61 60' loved it. Right now I have a protorque 2800 in my car with the best of a 1.71 60'. I felt the biggest difference with the stall over the the gear change from a 3.46 to a 3.91. It isn't a pain on the street with the converter like a lot of people make out it is.
We can get you a Vig 3600 single disc lockup for $710.00 let me know if you are interested.
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10-06-2009, 11:42 PM
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im a 6speed guy myself, but ive been around enough stalled autos with stock gears. get the converter!!!!
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10-15-2009, 07:00 PM
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Definately reccomend going with a good converter and make sure to install a good trans cooler with it..
We are an Authorized Wholesale Distributor for Precision Industries, if you are interested in a Vigilante I can get you the best pricing on the right converter for your application..
We also install everything we sell. We can give you a package deal on the converter, cooler, installation the whole enchalada!
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10-15-2009, 08:30 PM
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Thanks everybody . I was going to do a converter 1st ,but I found out I only have 2:73's not 3:23's . So I ordered a set of 3:73's for my 2 series carrier to start with .
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10-16-2009, 12:55 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie D.
Thanks everybody . I was going to do a converter 1st ,but I found out I only have 2:73's not 3:23's . So I ordered a set of 3:73's for my 2 series carrier to start with .
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Even with 2.73 gears a converter would help alot.
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10-16-2009, 05:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NJ Torque
Even with 2.73 gears a converter would help alot.
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Thanks !! Its probably coming next .
Last edited by FASTEDDIE Z; 10-16-2009 at 05:18 PM.
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10-21-2009, 04:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie D.
Thanks everybody . I was going to do a converter 1st ,but I found out I only have 2:73's not 3:23's . So I ordered a set of 3:73's for my 2 series carrier to start with .
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why bother getting 3:73 installed why not just seek out someone with a 3:42 rear out of a 6 speed car or even a 3:23 rear (would be far easier to swap out the rear then gears) just an idea
Also i would also consider a 2800 rpm stall instead of a 3200 rpm (in the long run the 2800 would be much better on a street driven car then the 3200 rpm) unless you are going to see a ton of track time and run a cam that requires such a high stall if not in my opinion its a waste to have such a high stall.
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10-21-2009, 05:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by siguy
why bother getting 3:73 installed why not just seek out someone with a 3:42 rear out of a 6 speed car or even a 3:23 rear (would be far easier to swap out the rear then gears) just an idea
Also i would also consider a 2800 rpm stall instead of a 3200 rpm (in the long run the 2800 would be much better on a street driven car then the 3200 rpm) unless you are going to see a ton of track time and run a cam that requires such a high stall if not in my opinion its a waste to have such a high stall.
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That is good advise .I was looking for a whole rear ,but sometimes you really dont know what youre getting . It might have posi or bearing issues ?? Devin at WHIPLASH PERFORMANCE is hooking me up with a set of gears and an install kit at a great price . This way I know Ill have new gears ,bearings and fresh fluids .As far as doing the gears ,it shouldn't be too bad .Ive done 4 sets of gears on different cars .How bad could it be ? LOL
The converter is a different story . I plan on putting a healthy cam in it in the spring .Not too much track time ,but its not a D/D ,so Im looking to go as fast as I can and still be as reliable as a D/D. Besides ,I need all the help I can get . My one friend at work has a 2003 Z06 ( 376 rwhp) and my other friend has a Nissan 240sx with a big honking turbo (2500 pounds -379 rwhp) Ive got to get them out of the hole at least
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10-21-2009, 11:21 PM
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With a heathly cam... you need a big stall... these cars love converters.
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2008 Sierra Vortec Max. 6.2 swapped, headers, Magnaflow catback, GMPP CAI, NHT optioned tow package.
2006 GTO, 11.48 @ 118.3
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10-22-2009, 09:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NJ Torque
With a heathly cam... you need a big stall... these cars love converters.
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Yes , I noticed that . My car really starts to pull @ 3900 rpm . I figure a nice stall and it will be a lot of fun
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10-22-2009, 04:21 PM
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love my 3.73's never had a converter so my opinion sucks.
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10-22-2009, 05:36 PM
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yes the 3200 vig i was nice when your playing around but, it was annoying for everyday driving..
How big of a cam are you going (are you keeping the stock heads or are you going to have them ported?)
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10-22-2009, 05:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by siguy
yes the 3200 vig i was nice when your playing around but, it was annoying for everyday driving..
How big of a cam are you going (are you keeping the stock heads or are you going to have them ported?)
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I daily a very big cammed car...
I have a 3500 stall and wish I went bigger
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1999 Z28 Convertible. 6 speed swap, wide cowl hood, full hockey stripes, and a whining 10 bolt.
2008 Sierra Vortec Max. 6.2 swapped, headers, Magnaflow catback, GMPP CAI, NHT optioned tow package.
2006 GTO, 11.48 @ 118.3
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10-22-2009, 06:42 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by siguy
yes the 3200 vig i was nice when your playing around but, it was annoying for everyday driving..
How big of a cam are you going (are you keeping the stock heads or are you going to have them ported?)
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Not sure how big of a cam . I have to do more research . Right now the plan is leave the heads alone .I figure torque conv. ,suspension next ,wheels/tires . In the spring ,LT headers Ls6 intake and cam. But plans sometimes change . 1 step at a time . Right ? Just trying to look at the big picture and match everything .
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