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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
TTA was one of the fastest Fbodies, ever, not counting COPO cars. TTA's vs an LS1 car would be the closest match.
So...it took GM 10 years to develop a fbody to match the power...of a V6 third gen. BTW, the Firebird was the heavier of the two Fbodies.
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So why are you swapping in an LS1 rather than some sweet ass turbocharged V6 engine that makes turd gens run stock LS1 times? 
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repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
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07-21-2010, 06:27 PM
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what the heck is a T-ram. sounds like an offering from Dodge
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07-21-2010, 06:32 PM
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i think its a special dual filter air intake
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07-21-2010, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by V
it was fast because it was turbo... a refined grand national motor basically.
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Yup, different heads/manifolds and slightly bigger/longer rocker arms among other little differences.
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Originally Posted by Featherburner
I see 1/4 times for the TTA of 13.5 so some LS cars are faster by a lot.
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It really depends on the driver, they've gone 12.9-13.0 in stock form. That's not saying every one will run 13.0's just like not every LS1 is some 12.8-12.9 factory freak.
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07-21-2010, 06:34 PM
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So why are you swapping in an LS1 rather than some sweet ass turbocharged V6 engine that makes turd gens run stock LS1 times? |
Don't hate that a smaller motor with no opti is faster than your car stock for stock...it's OK....your fragile ego can take it.
 
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07-21-2010, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Frosty
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I already have come to terms with it, hence, I threw the LS1 out there. Brought out the big guns. 
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Originally Posted by KirkEvil
repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
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07-21-2010, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by qwikz28
what the heck is a T-ram. sounds like an offering from Dodge
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07-21-2010, 06:36 PM
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ah ok... that thing, but they had special intakes too right?
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07-21-2010, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by V
i think its a special dual filter air intake
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Isn't it an intake manifold?
Edt: tim is too fast.
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07-21-2010, 06:37 PM
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07-21-2010, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by V
ah ok... that thing, but they had special intakes too right?
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yes, they had a dual filter intake that went across the radiator. SLP offered them for a long time then poof. No more.
T-Ram
with intake
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07-21-2010, 06:39 PM
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They can pull in some BIG $$$$. I know someone that had 2 of them, not sure if he sold them or not.
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07-21-2010, 06:44 PM
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They are big money because the molds, plans, and everything else went up in flames at SLP engineer in the early 90's I believe.
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07-21-2010, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by V
so this "creation" just on ebay now lol.... only $1,250
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Thats kinda .. not the same. 
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07-22-2010, 12:14 AM
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I've always said it... TTA is the only 3rd gen I would own...
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07-22-2010, 04:00 AM
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v6 powah!
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Originally Posted by LTb1ow
Junk the pos, spend the money on beer, acquire headache.
Same result cept this headache doesnt last months.
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07-22-2010, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
They are big money because the molds, plans, and everything else went up in flames at SLP engineer in the early 90's I believe.
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Why not send one over to Taiwan (Chinese metal is too cheap to last) and have replica's made, it's not NOS, but it also wouldnt cost $1200.
Taiwan is responsible for manufacturing complete muscle car bodies for people to build. I belie ve I saw the factory while taking a train on my second day there. I looked out the window at a parking lot at a factory, and there I saw what looked like a 71 Nova ,and several other muscle car bodies!! I wanted the train to have a malfunction so I could get a closer look.
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Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah
v6 powah!
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If only our head port work was alot better from the factory, our cars would have so much more potential without a turbo, but as far as being one of the fastest F-bodies, WOOT!!
FYI, If I remember correctly, wasent the TTA manufactured from the factory with the 3.8T motor, where as the Firehawk was sent to SLP to be transformed, so really the Firehawk was a aftermarket performance car that obtained those numbers right? As to where the TTA made those numbers right outta the factory line.
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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
Uh yeah, after they surprized buttsecks us at Pearl Harbor?
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07-22-2010, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Blacdout96
Why not send one over to Taiwan (Chinese metal is too cheap to last) and have replica's made, it's not NOS, but it also wouldnt cost $1200.
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Hey yea, I'll put that on my list of things I'll wait for aftermarket companies to come out with at a reasonable price. Yep, right under the BBK TPI intake.
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07-22-2010, 08:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacdout96
FYI, If I remember correctly, wasent the TTA manufactured from the factory with the 3.8T motor, where as the Firehawk was sent to SLP to be transformed, so really the Firehawk was a aftermarket performance car that obtained those numbers right? As to where the TTA made those numbers right outta the factory line.
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Yes and no. PAS in California built the motors, shipped them back to GM, they were installed at GM's plants then the car would be shipped to PAS for testing/QC/etc.
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07-22-2010, 08:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacdout96
FYI, If I remember correctly, wasent the TTA manufactured from the factory with the 3.8T motor, where as the Firehawk was sent to SLP to be transformed, so really the Firehawk was a aftermarket performance car that obtained those numbers right? As to where the TTA made those numbers right outta the factory line.
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IMO, if it wasn't done at a GM factory then it's not factory. Just like the 1969 Crossram is not factory.
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07-22-2010, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Frosty
Yes and no. PAS in California built the motors, shipped them back to GM, they were installed at GM's plants then the car would be shipped to PAS for testing/QC/etc.
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Did they build the 3.8T or the Firehawk motor?
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Originally Posted by WildBillyT
IMO, if it wasn't done at a GM factory then it's not factory. Just like the 1969 Crossram is not factory.
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I agree. SLP to me is like Shelby, a company that took factory cars, upgraded them, and sold them in the same dealerships as factory cars.
And 69 crossram 
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Uh yeah, after they surprized buttsecks us at Pearl Harbor?
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07-22-2010, 09:14 AM
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Did they build the 3.8T or the Firehawk motor?
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The 3.8...the took the GN motor and made the changes(heads, manifolds, intercooler etc), they built the motor and then sent them back to GM.
However the car was fully assembled at the GM plant.
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07-22-2010, 09:17 AM
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SLP at one point was a tier 1 supplier to GM. I don't believe they were at the time of the first hawks though.
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07-22-2010, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
SLP at one point was a tier 1 supplier to GM. I don't believe they were at the time of the first hawks though.
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But was their stuff done before final assembly or after?
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