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NJSPEEDER
06-17-2007, 10:31 AM
another saturday night and another adventure from bridgeport speedway.

to start the night off we had a make up feature from one of the nights in may taht got rained out. randy was supposed to start 7th, someone scratched, so he got to start 6th. from teh drop of the green the car was fast. picked off 2 on the first lap. worked his way up to 2nd place and chased the winner to the checkers. really had nothing for the leader(much better funded team) but still took a few stabs at the lead before falling back a few car lengths. so randy scored his best ever feature finish, hell fo a way to start the day.

the heats for the evenings regular action came around and we got locked into a tire game. randy bought a new right rear before the make up feature and didn't really do anything to dmamage it, but the fast and abbrasive surface knocked a ton of tread off the right rear and f'ed the left rear up completely. so we went out on some older tires that weren't dead, but aren't in good shape. the result was a car that wasn't exactly right and randy couldn't do much of anything, started 3rd, finished 3rd.

on to the feature. the track was fast still and we thought we had the set up to take advantage. randy started 5th and was fast from the drop of the green. because we don't have some things that a better funded team woudl have, we had to set up the car to run the low groove even though it was obvious that top would end up being the faster way around.
never the less randy managed to get the car working well and was racing with the fast guys. after he fell back to about 6th because of a jumble up on the start, he worked his way back up to 4th and was hunting 3rd when the caution came out.
this is when things went wrong. green flag drops, randy starts to accelerate...........then suddenly nothing. the engine jsut died on the spot whiel rolling back into the gas on the restart. somehow everyone managed to miss him, but 3 guys behind randy got all piled up.

we don't know what the problem is yet. but it isn't good when you are using a top engine builder and the motor has broken twice in the same season. thereis a possibility it is something dumb, like the dizzy busted, but that hasn't really been the luck so far this year so i am not really counting on it.
if it is terminal, back to the old reliable 9:1 motor with 8billion laps on it and no HP. it isn't much, but we can limp the rest of the way through the seaon with it.

if anyone has a bunch of money laying around and they want their name on the race car of an up and coming driver, randy can definately use the help.

NJSPEEDER
06-17-2007, 01:40 PM
the maybe good news, the engine problem seems to be the gear on the dizzy. we are going to do an oil change to get the debris out and go over everything just to be sure, but it looks like it shoudl be an easy cure.

trashman01
06-17-2007, 02:15 PM
haha that could be a good sign there tim. i kno our frist time out couple weeks back we were having engine problems. turned out the rebuilt carb we got wasnt rebuilt and full of gunk so it was going lean right off throttle

NJSPEEDER
06-17-2007, 05:17 PM
if that turns out to be jsut the dist i will be happy. i can't even explain what the let down felt like after taking 2nd in the first feature and being up front, in a position to potentially grab that first win, and then have teh car just die like that. it was at minimum going to be another podium finish for randy and it was gone in a split second.
it is also a swift kick in the nurs points wise, pretty much everyone who is ahead of randy in the points chase didn't really do much. if he had just stayed in the top 5 he would have jumped up several spots.

johnjzjz
06-18-2007, 08:24 AM
if that turns out to be jsut the dist i will be happy. i can't even explain what the let down felt like after taking 2nd in the first feature and being up front, in a position to potentially grab that first win, and then have teh car just die like that. it was at minimum going to be another podium finish for randy and it was gone in a split second.
it is also a swift kick in the nurs points wise, pretty much everyone who is ahead of randy in the points chase didn't really do much. if he had just stayed in the top 5 he would have jumped up several spots.

---Two reasons we see the gear fail -- the first is because most engine builders still use those high volunm pumps - and for good reason but its a metal thing -- brass gear = steel cam shaft with steel gear -- new style roller steel cam has iron gear pressed on so iron gear can be used ---

---- reason 1 and 1/2 - it does not have a roller than Y is a brass gear in it -

#2 -- the gear mesh might be incorrect ( the distance from the intake hole to the oil pump ) when you take off the pan check the pump ( a must ) remove it take the bottom cap off and look at the floor of the pump and see if it is all grouved up if so the distance from the disy from the base to the T gruve is incorrect - you must be able to pull the dist up and down ( .020/.030 ) when instralled and toghtened - i hope you are getting this if not you can call me i will explain it again -- jz

BonzoHansen
06-18-2007, 09:28 AM
........then suddenly nothing. the engine jsut died on the spot whiel rolling back into the gas on the restart. somehow everyone managed to miss him, but 3 guys behind randy got all piled up...At least he didn’t go out alone. LOL

Randy99
06-18-2007, 11:25 AM
The gear on the dist. isn't a brass/bronze gear, I changed that over the winter when i pulled the dist...I was always told roller cam=bronze gear, flat tappet=steel...so i put a stock steel gear back on it...i need to inspect the camshaft tonight and see if it caused any damage...the big ? now is, where are all these metal shavings, and did they do any internal damage...I may have to PM you later about the clearances...as always thanks for your insight...

well another night at the track, another time running in the top 5 with the race more than 1/2 way over, and another problem....i think thats 4 times so far this year :-x

johnjzjz
06-18-2007, 03:35 PM
The gear on the dist. isn't a brass/bronze gear, I changed that over the winter when i pulled the dist...I was always told roller cam=bronze gear, flat tappet=steel...so i put a stock steel gear back on it...i need to inspect the camshaft tonight and see if it caused any damage...the big ? now is, where are all these metal shavings, and did they do any internal damage...I may have to PM you later about the clearances...as always thanks for your insight...

well another night at the track, another time running in the top 5 with the race more than 1/2 way over, and another problem....i think thats 4 times so far this year :-x

Randy if the iron gear went away WOW thats a palm full of steel real bad -- my take would be strip it to the screws scrub it out block plugs out as well and re bearing it - polish the crank and cam journals remove all the rings pins block jets for oil pump dont miss anything throw away the pump and spend 3 hours on the pan washing it ( power sprayer works well of corse you get damp haahhaha ) than scrub everything spotless -- than call me -- it might not be a total but something was incorrect in the engagement of the 2 gears - angle mill on heads and manifold angles ???????? -- you also -- was it you who posted a lean thing or vacume maybe leak right from the start up ??????/ -- dont know if it was you --

PS: get a box of zip lock freezer bags and a marker and make sure you know what came from wheir -- do not other than bolts throw together in a box -- on the GOOD side dizy gears brake off in big pieces and not a pwoer like some stuff you just might luck out keep all the pieces you find strain the oil out of the motor we want to fine a palm full to be sure you got it all -- jz

NJSPEEDER
06-18-2007, 08:18 PM
the good news is that the only visible damage was to the dizzy gear itself. a new one is installed, timing was reset, oil pressure is good, engine runs clean.
going to do an oil change tomorrow, run it for a bit on fresh oil, and redrain it to make sure any crud that could be floating around is rinsed out.

jz, we would love to tear everything down adn do it the right way, but there are 3 races in the next two weeks(saturday, tuesday special show, and saturday again) so we realy don't have the time to go through it.

car has been working good and now that the timing won't be jumping al over the place it may even have some consistant power too. lol

johnjzjz
06-19-2007, 07:21 AM
the good news is that the only visible damage was to the dizzy gear itself. a new one is installed, timing was reset, oil pressure is good, engine runs clean.
going to do an oil change tomorrow, run it for a bit on fresh oil, and redrain it to make sure any crud that could be floating around is rinsed out.

jz, we would love to tear everything down adn do it the right way, but there are 3 races in the next two weeks(saturday, tuesday special show, and saturday again) so we realy don't have the time to go through it.

car has been working good and now that the timing won't be jumping al over the place it may even have some consistant power too. lol

I hope it works for you guys -- it never seems to for us its always the hard road when something happenes - 2 /12 thousand engines one 10 passes into the year it sucked a pebell / bent 3 valves and scored the cylinder pased .010 piston to wall the second new motor in the first burnout in the water box the new plug in #6 plug the electrode wire fell off the plug and recked the bore maybe the motor had 4 / 5 minuets run time -- our luck -- jz