more info on the 2010 camaro

[alamantia]

A friend sent me this, sorry if its a repost I havent seen it before

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=122816#4

[Knipps]

that sucks, but what else is new

[LS1Hawk]

That sucks!

[SteveR]

cost cutting FTL

[BonzoHansen]

I bet that is related to crash rating, not just cost cutting. Settlemire keeps saying this car has to have a 5-star govt crash rating. Rollover standards have been increased.

[jims69camaro]

this is the first time i've seen 2010... i thought it was going to be introduced next year as a 2009 model year...? yeah, the b-pillar sucks, especially since the mustang doesn't have one. the only upside is that the challenger will be getting them, too.

[alamantia]

Saturn Ion has suicide doors but the god damn 2010 has to have B pillar`s, well thats gay

[SteveR]

Adding B pillars to get a five star crash test rating is pretty silly. The people looking to buy a Camaro aren't looking for what happens if it rolls over, they want a car that looks fast and moves fast. Crash test ratings are for soccer moms and mini vans.

[Demian]

Bumblebee's Camaro has B-Pilars... They will be blacked out. Isn't a really big deal.

Keeps the weight down as well

[alamantia]

Bumblebee is a 2nd gen the 5th gen is supposed to resemble a 1st gen, its kinda tough to resemble a 1st gen with B-pillars

[Demian]

Look closely at the 5th Gen Bumblebee.

It has black b-pillars

[Knipps]

Look closely at the 5th Gen Bumblebee.

It has black b-pillars

that's because it's a GTO.

[BonzoHansen]

Bumblebee is a 2nd gen the 5th gen is supposed to resemble a 1st gen, its kinda tough to resemble a 1st gen with B-pillars

Yeah, but resemble <> identical. Lack of b pillars is not what defines a 1st gen.

[qwikz28]

who cares? if it cuts costs and weight and doesn't look hideously ugly, it doesn't bother me.

[PolarBear]

They are going to have the window portion basically be all metal? So this basically means the 5th gen is going to have a HUGE blindspot on the right side?

[BonzoHansen]

Tidbit from Settlemire:

We haven't announced whether it'll be a 2009 or a 2010.

Low production numbers to start out as it's a brand new model in a plant that's getting a refurb. We intend to ramp up production as the workers are more comfortable with the way the car goes together.

-- however, it will not be a limited production run...that's one of the reasons we're utilizing Oshawa -- (in addition to the quality that they've worked hard to achieve)

[nj96z28]

this is the first time i've seen 2010... i thought it was going to be introduced next year as a 2009 model year...? yeah, the b-pillar sucks, especially since the mustang doesn't have one. the only upside is that the challenger will be getting them, too.

it will be released in 2009 as a 2010 model ... just like my 96 was sold in 95 and so on and so on

[Predator86]

at the risk of sounding like an idiot...what exactly is a b-pillar?......never heard of it

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

see the picture of that silver camaro in the link? not like that...


it'll have a thick metal thing after the window on each side

[BonzoHansen]

http://z.about.com/d/autorepair/1/0/o/6/78390573.gif

[BigAls87Z28]

First off, the BPillar does suck, but it wont be noticable like it is on the Mustang. It wont be body colored, it will be blacked out.

Like this
http://images.automotive.com/reviews/images/30cl_p.jpg


Not like this
http://www.stangbangers.com/06_MustangGT_Pic1.jpg


Ok, now for the reason.
GM and the Camaro team is working HARD to reduce the weight of the vehicle. Like I has said MONTHS ago, they are working to cut every ounce of weight they can to get this car under target. If they were to have a pillarless coupe, they would have had to add hundreds of pounds of structural enhancements to keep the chassis stiff, keep side crash standards up, and not to mention meet FUTURE crash standards which are going to increase.

For those who forgot, one of the 400 reasons the 4th gen was killed was because that the A-pillar, (the first one) was angled so sharp that it was too close to the driver's head, and that IF the Fbody was going to continue after 2002(if GM didnt kill it) it would have had to be on a totaly new chassis.

Adding the B-pillar adds tons of strength to the car and stiffens the chassis up to make sure we have a great platform to build our dream car off of.

Only 2 cars have a pillarless design, one is the CLK which is going to be moved onto the new C-Class's chassis soon, and the Bentley Conti GT, which costs 1/4 mill and comes in at a Suburban-esque 4500lbs, if not more.

[Predator86]

all that being said...im all for the b-pillar...one of the few downfalls of the muscle cars is ther weight IMO

[Demonicbird00]

its gay and ugly.....

if they want to cut weight, they should look into some of us weight freaks for ideas. its still gonna be a pig like the stang and gto. i would have rather them let the camaro name die w/ dignity.

-brandon

[Tru2Chevy]

if they want to cut weight, they should look into some of us weight freaks for ideas. its still gonna be a pig like the stang and gto. i would have rather them let the camaro name die w/ dignity.

Their target weight for the 5th gen is still under 3600 lbs, IIRC. That's less than many optioned 4th gen birds weigh......

- Justin

[Ian]

I like the b pillar idea. it makes it easier to hide a roll cage :twisted:

[BonzoHansen]

Perhaps the b-pillar is the lightest way they can meet new rollover standard? Maybe no pillar = heavier car. None of us know.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/SIBLY/SpeculateTrain.jpg

[BigAls87Z28]

No speculation, that came from Bob Lutz's mouth.

Its either no bpillar, heavier car, and more expensive to buy

OR

Its got a hidden bpillar, its 400lbs lighter, and cheaper

Both get you the same thing, which would you chose?
Dont like it, dont buy it. Im sure the 2 ton Challenger will have plenty for you to offer, Bpillar and all.

[Demonicbird00]

thats not bad then if its targeted under 3600.

untill i see them driving on the streets, and the size wheels they have ill stick to still saying theyre ugly.

-brandon

[BonzoHansen]

Its either no bpillar, heavier car, and more expensive to buy

OR

Its got a hidden bpillar, its 400lbs lighter, and cheaperThat is what I meant. Maybe the b-pillar thing is good for the car.

[Predator86]

while were on the topic of car weights.....how much do thirdgen and fourthgen f bodies weigh cuz i keeo hearing different things and my door tag is faded. i also ask this cuz as fas i know the first gen firebirds were like 3400 pounds and this kid in my welding class has a single turbo supra and hes saying that it weighs 4200 pounds! and he also said that is a little heavier than a mustang.....

i must say i am confuzuled

[Tru2Chevy]

while were on the topic of car weights.....how much do thirdgen and fourthgen f bodies weigh cuz i keeo hearing different things and my door tag is faded. i also ask this cuz as fas i know the first gen firebirds were like 3400 pounds and this kid in my welding class has a single turbo supra and hes saying that it weighs 4200 pounds! and he also said that is a little heavier than a mustang.....

i must say i am confuzuled

Weights are vastly different based on options.

- Justin

[88Z-Man]

Does anyone know if they will offer T-Tops on the new car.
Gotta have the T's on mine.

[jola]

Does this mean there might be a chance for t-tops?

[Predator86]

Does this mean there might be a chance for t-tops?


theyre better be:-x

[jims69camaro]

I like the b pillar idea. it makes it easier to hide a roll cage :twisted:

very good idea. personally, i don't mind a b-pillar. except for my first gen and the '72 pontiac i used to drive, every car i have owned has had one.

as far as the release date, it was my understanding that they would have been able to celebrate, through marketing, of course, the fact that it was the 40th anniversary of the first gen. if they wait until 2010, then it's 40 years after the '70 1/2 model, which pretty much took a dump when first introduced. i'd rather not see that happen to the new camaro.

the tie-ins to the first gen are obvious. for them to wait one more year just to get the workers more comfortable with their environment, i say get them started NOW. i just can't see them releasing it in 2010 and missing the opportunity for a 40th anniversary of the first gen, since the car has the obvious styling cues of the first gen. they could even have a special vehicle for celebratory purposes - not unlike the 30th anniversary car.

dunno, i guess it's just me. yes, i want the car. yes, i want it yesterday. but my patience level has nothing to do with the potential marketing opportunities.

[alamantia]

while were on the topic of car weights.....how much do thirdgen and fourthgen f bodies weigh cuz i keeo hearing different things and my door tag is faded. i also ask this cuz as fas i know the first gen firebirds were like 3400 pounds and this kid in my welding class has a single turbo supra and hes saying that it weighs 4200 pounds! and he also said that is a little heavier than a mustang.....

i must say i am confuzuled

I drove my 2002 Z28 on the scale of raceway a few weeks ago with no fuel in the tank and it came up as 3600lbs and I am 200lbs

[Knipps]

very good idea. personally, i don't mind a b-pillar. except for my first gen and the '72 pontiac i used to drive, every car i have owned has had one.

as far as the release date, it was my understanding that they would have been able to celebrate, through marketing, of course, the fact that it was the 40th anniversary of the first gen. if they wait until 2010, then it's 40 years after the '70 1/2 model, which pretty much took a dump when first introduced. i'd rather not see that happen to the new camaro.

the tie-ins to the first gen are obvious. for them to wait one more year just to get the workers more comfortable with their environment, i say get them started NOW. i just can't see them releasing it in 2010 and missing the opportunity for a 40th anniversary of the first gen, since the car has the obvious styling cues of the first gen. they could even have a special vehicle for celebratory purposes - not unlike the 30th anniversary car.

dunno, i guess it's just me. yes, i want the car. yes, i want it yesterday. but my patience level has nothing to do with the potential marketing opportunities.

production starts in 355 days:wink:

http://www.5thgen.org/countdown/

[alamantia]

production starts in 355 days:wink:

http://www.5thgen.org/countdown/


We shuld have a party 10-1-08

[Predator86]

I drove my 2002 Z28 on the scale of raceway a few weeks ago with no fuel in the tank and it came up as 3600lbs and I am 200lbs

so my friend saying his fox body weighs 4000 is total :bs:

[WildBillyT]

while were on the topic of car weights.....how much do thirdgen and fourthgen f bodies weigh cuz i keeo hearing different things and my door tag is faded. i also ask this cuz as fas i know the first gen firebirds were like 3400 pounds and this kid in my welding class has a single turbo supra and hes saying that it weighs 4200 pounds! and he also said that is a little heavier than a mustang.....

i must say i am confuzuled

He is probably reading the GVWR and not the curb weight. Curb weight for a supra turbo is around 3500.

[Predator86]

He is probably reading the GVWR and not the curb weight. Curb weight for a supra turbo is around 3500.

good thanks im gonna make fun of him next monsday in welding haha