Who hits the gym ??

[rscamaro73]

Just trying to see who all hits the gym and is really working out ??

I'm gonna jump back in starting today (headed there in an hour or less)....

Plus I'm gonna look into the P90X thing....

My goal - stand-in for the next '300' movie :mrgreen:

Add some size, and a WHOLE LOTTA definition....

Like to hear what everyone is doing.... :?:

[Mike]

i do, not really any major goals though......not a body builder or anything like that.

i try to go 5 days a week and keep a tentative schedule...

mon...chest
tues...arms
weds...shoulders
thurs...back and abs
fri...legs

also play raquetball 2-3 times a week to get cardio without being bored

right now im taking a cycle of a fat burner from nutrex research, once i hit a certain weight ill start on some mass and strength suppliments

[Squirrel]

i know me and billy t are real into 3 lift powerlifting, once im fully healed from my shoulder surgery im gonna start doing meets again towards the end of the year..

[68camaroguy]

started ging back to the gym last monday... im there again today and i can barely move im sooo sore.

[Fast92RS]

I dont go to the gym. I have work out equipment at home. Just a basic bench and a treadmill. I try to get in a run atleast three times a week for a half hour and a basic weight training work out atleast twice a week.

[Billfromnj]

i go 5 days a week, similar schedule as cbrrmike, just dont do the same muscles on same days as him...im trying to lose weight and tone up...a friend of mine who a physical therapist(she knows all about muscles) said find a good weight ur comfortable with and just do 3 sets 15-20 reps...so far its doing good, now i just gotta eat the right things lol

[LS1Hawk]

I have a multi-gym/smith machine in my basement. I usually workout about 3 - 4 times per week. I find it a lot easier to just have the equipment and work out on my own time.

[ap2000z28]

I usually hit the gym 4-5 times a week. This past month I have been doing mostly cardio trying to get ready for the Cape May Police Academy. So far I have lost about 8lbs and am not happy!

[97slpss]

i go 5 times a week ....huge part of my life. Looking to do a local bodybuilding show towards the end of the summer.

Is P90x the workout they advertise on tv? If so I'd really just focus on diet, and not pay for a workout plan, most people trying to get cut for summer take all of these supps and try crazy workouts when really if your diet is off...you will see minimal results

[bubba428]

I used to...I didn't have the gut as much back in HS. I need to get back into it

[79CamaroDiva]

I have a multi-gym/smith machine in my basement. I usually workout about 3 - 4 times per week. I find it a lot easier to just have the equipment and work out on my own time.

My gym is 24 hrs, and about a mile from my apartment, so working out on my own time is really easy. Its great when you have a workout partner to get your ass there when you don't feel like it. Steve and I were both going about 5 times a week, then he got sick about a month ago, slowly I stopped going. Gotta get back there.. maybe tonight :D

[Mike Something]

I go to one on Rt 18 at least 5times a week. I do a light total body on Sat sometimes. Def something awesome I got into rather than just sitting around on car forums all day =)
I did a 405 deadlift, 135 straightbar curl, 510 leg press etc which was a great accomplishment for me. Made alot of good friends at the gym as well.

[bandit88]

Its great when you have a workout partner to get your ass there when you don't feel like it.

+1 i just don't have the drive alone

[HardcoreZ28]

I'm there 5 days a week....used to go 6 but I don't have the time anymore unfortunately. I'm at the point where I realize I won't put much more musclemass on (currently @190lbs) so I workout to maintain and focus a bit more on definition in the spring/summer. Very similar workout as Mike and others above....1 body part a day essentially. 5 exercises for 4 sets apiece. Usually 10 reps....6-8 during the winter. I've been working out religiously for about 13 years now.

[Billfromnj]

My gym is 24 hrs

Please tell me where? and what gym....

[98tadriver]

well, when i was into it, i walk like 30 paces from the house, into my garage and do the weightlifting thing.

id go out there 4x a week (every other day)
4 sets of 6, heavier weight
pullup bar is out there

Gold standard whey protein to meet my protein needs
multivitamins in the AM -- Animal Pak

pre workout
superpump 250
animal stak (cycle for 3 weeks on, 1 week off)

post-
Anator P70

when i first started lifting i was 167lbs average. after 7 weeks i was up to 185lbs average (that was just with the protein and anator p70)

one inch on my arms, 2.5 on my chest, and still cut

[rscamaro73]

So you're saying you got good gains from the Anator ? I was going to go back to the NOXplode and Cellmass products I was using when I got some huge strength gains....that and powdered creatine monohydrate.

I was doing sets of 8 and as heavy as I could go....but I'm back up to 10's for now.....I'd like to get cut as well, so I'm going to start picking apart my food intake.....make sure I'm 'golden'.....and stick to more cardio.....aka running....

Ran 3 miles today in 26:30....not bad for someone that HATES running....:evil:

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Please tell me where? and what gym....

If it's a mile from where she lives, its somewhere in Budd Lake. I was gonna say curves, then saw Steve goes.

[SteveR]

If it's a mile from where she lives, its somewhere in Budd Lake. I was gonna say curves, then saw Steve goes.

Its Anytime Fitness of Budd Lake. The owner is cool and the place is nice. Now that I'm better, I'll be beck there this weekend.

[98tadriver]

So you're saying you got good gains from the Anator ? I was going to go back to the NOXplode and Cellmass products I was using when I got some huge strength gains....that and powdered creatine monohydrate.

I was doing sets of 8 and as heavy as I could go....but I'm back up to 10's for now.....I'd like to get cut as well, so I'm going to start picking apart my food intake.....make sure I'm 'golden'.....and stick to more cardio.....aka running....

Ran 3 miles today in 26:30....not bad for someone that HATES running....:evil:

i was getting 180g or more of protein every day and working out every other day. dont buy it at GNC though. dont buy anything there if you can help it. Dynamic fitness is like $25+ cheaper on anything thats eexpensive. gnc rips people off. yes, even with the membership too lol

[79CamaroDiva]

Its Anytime Fitness of Budd Lake. The owner is cool and the place is nice. Now that I'm better, I'll be beck there this weekend.

:werdmelissa: yeah, its right on 46, but you've probably never seen it because the sign sucks, which i'll be fixing shortly :) But its the same strip mall as domino's.

[WayFast84]

I want to get into it very, very, badly! I just don't have enough time or energy right now, But at least I'm staying active with Lacrosse and my skating coach for hockey.

[procamaroz28]

i try evryday i go to bally's in EB and at Rutgers Newark

[tastyle88]

pumped up!!!!!!!!!!!

[shane27]

i workout in the comfort of my room for 5-7 minutes a day for almost a year now and ive seen tremendous results. i put on whatever song i want, and workout till the end of the song, sometimes two, thats it.

**** the gym.

[jims69camaro]

years ago. recently, though, my oldest step son ( 28 ) asked me to train him. the first thing i started him on was the basics. the major power movements, like bench press with dumbbells, rows, squats and crunches. then, as he put weight on, we started targeting the workouts.

monday: chest, upper back
tuesday: biceps, triceps, forearms, shoulders ( triple supersets ) and pull downs
wednesday: off
thursday: leg press, hamstring extensions (or good mornings, when he wanted to vary) and calf work
friday: lower back, abs
saturday: off
sunday: repeat monday

so the schedule rotates and you're never working the same muscle group the same day every week. work with 80% of your maximum lift for the exercise. form is more important than how much weight you are using. if you are using bad form, back the weight down 10-20 pounds.

no supplements. he gained ten pounds of muscle last year. if you want to know what ten pounds of muscle is, buy a one pound steak and set it on the counter in front of you. now, picture that multiplied ten times. he probably won't see such significant gains this year, as i just got him started a little over 18 months ago.

you grow quickly in the beginning, then it tapers off. if you hit a plateau, where you gain nothing for months in a row, that means you are overtraining and you need to take a week or two off. remember that your muscles grow when you are resting, not when you are working. you provide the stimulus to grow when you work out, but if you don't get enough rest you will fall into the overtrained category again fairly quickly. you won't gain anything, get frustrated and quit.

if you stick with it, and you have good genetics, there is no reason why you can't hit 250-300 pounds all-natural. understand, though, that that kind of weight takes years to put on. unless you want to look like a gelatinous cube. that's easy. ;)

get plenty of rest. sleep at least 8 full hours a night.

it's all in the diet. if your diet is good, then you don't have to rely on the miracle-workout-in-a-bottle.

[sweetbmxrider]

i work out at 24/7 fitness. i know the owners so i get great tips all the time.
mon-chest,abs
tues-legs,cardio
wed-back,abs
thurs-arms,shoulders,cardio
fri-drinkin in a bar
sat-cardio and more drinkin
sun-a day of rest
plenty of dieting, water, and protein snacks/shakes. it works for me. though i just worked out for the first time in 98 days because license was suspended. can't wait to be sore.

[slugger27nj]

I'm going back soon now that the addition to the house has passed inspection and only little things left to do. Retro Fitness $19/month FTW!

[chevyt454]

I have weights in my house but been slacking off lately. Hard to get back into it.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Have trained a good part of the last 15 years, wish i had the time to go back but i want to pick up a Ls1 in the next few mths and my nights are spent at lowes part time for right now.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

I'm going back soon now that the addition to the house has passed inspection and only little things left to do. Retro Fitness $19/month FTW!
Retro fitness is shady, there's a ball and chain attached to that "$19" contract lol

[jims69camaro]

if you are just getting back into it after a while off, there is no reason to go balls-to-the-wall. you're muscles will remember, but you need to ease back into it. don't rush, listen to your body. if you can't move, then you overdid it. slight soreness is ok.

[cdacda13]

I go to Olympus on rt.23 six days a week.
Mon. Chest/back
Tues- shoulders/arms
Weds- Legs
Thrus- Basketball
Fri- Arms
Sat- Chest/lower back
Sun- Shoulders
While I know it looks like I'm overtraining, I'm young, heal fast, and I'm used to working hard.

[WildBillyT]

I go to Olympus on rt.23 six days a week.
Mon. Chest/back
Tues- shoulders/arms
Weds- Legs
Thrus- Basketball
Fri- Arms
Sat- Chest/lower back
Sun- Shoulders
While I know it looks like I'm overtraining, I'm young, heal fast, and I'm used to working hard.

With a different muscle group every day you should be OK.

[1985transam]

I work out out 5 Days a week at Golds Gym in Paramus New Jersey. I like Golds and been a member for 10 years now.

I am an early person and go at 5AM on weekdays. Mainly weight training and cadio. Just want to keep in shape and build tone.

Rob

[damon_Z]

I started working out in December 2006. I started off with 22% body fat. 16 months later, I'm down to 6.1% body fat. I've sculpted my body up doing weight lifting and attending several classes that include Pilates, Yoga, Spinning, Kick Boxing, and Boot Camp. I must be in the gym at least 2 hours a day, 7 days a week.

I take no supplements and eat no processed foods. I use the George Foreman Grille to cook my lean pork chops, chicken breasts, and steaks from Sam's. The only protein bar I take is 100% organic. In between meals, I'm snacking on at least one serving of fruit or vegetable at least once an hour and I only get my whole grain requirements from all-natural, old-fashion Quaker Oats. No sugar added.

[sweetbmxrider]

I started working out in December 2006. I started off with 22% body fat. 16 months later, I'm down to 6.1% body fat. I've sculpted my body up doing weight lifting and attending several classes that include Pilates, Yoga, Spinning, Kick Boxing, and Boot Camp. I must be in the gym at least 2 hours a day, 7 days a week.

I take no supplements and eat no processed foods. I use the George Foreman Grille to cook my lean pork chops, chicken breasts, and steaks from Sam's. The only protein bar I take is 100% organic. In between meals, I'm snacking on at least one serving of fruit or vegetable at least once an hour and I only get my whole grain requirements from all-natural, old-fashion Quaker Oats. No sugar added.

i'm sorry to be callin you out but pork is garbage especially if you are weight training and trying to build muscle. pork in general, in my opinion, is no good.

[WildBillyT]

i'm sorry to be callin you out but pork is garbage especially if you are weight training and trying to build muscle. pork in general, in my opinion, is no good.

If he is truly at 6.1% then I'd say he knows what he's doing.

[damon_Z]

i'm sorry to be callin you out but pork is garbage especially if you are weight training and trying to build muscle. pork in general, in my opinion, is no good.

Most pork parts have a high fat content compared to lean fish, steak, or chicken breast, but there is a part that's almost equally as lean (with equivalent protein) and, per pound, is less expensive than any of the other meats I just mentioned. Sam's sells a package of boneless pork loins that has a very thin layer of fat on their edges that can easily be trimmed off after cooking. Not to mention, lean pork loin tastes very good with a variety of condiments such as ketchup, barbeque sauce, and roast sauce. For money-saving reasons, I usually eat the more expensive chicken breast with a serving of lean, boneless pork loin.

[unstable bob gable]

I just take 'roids...smoke them, in fact. And I'm happy w/ the results...:mrgreen:
Nah, I'm just waiting for the dayum Anytime Fitness 24 hr gym to open in my town. Was supposed to be this month, now pushed back to next month. I'm a night person, so I wanna be in there like 2 AM. In the mean time I've been doing a lot of walking at work. I get a lot of free time, so I just roam around and walk up and down the stairs. My legs are like tree trunks now, n' I'm getting paid to do it. :) I also have a crunch bench at my house collecting dust, so I'm gonna see if I can bring that to work to play on. And I also watch a lot of wrestling...:rofl:

[bad64chevelle]

I had been going strong again for about almost a year at Golds in Hamilton, then I destroyed my shoulder and it was just extreme pain when I did anything with that shoulder. I took some time off to heal, and figure out if I needed surgery (which I do of course) After a few months it healed and I got back into it at the Champion Gym in Bordentown. did another 5 months and threw out my other shoulder and eventually back to the first one now. It has been a few weeks, tomorrow I will be back since it has been feeling better. Probably going to bite the bullet and get the surgery this summer.

[jims69camaro]

I started off with 22% body fat. 16 months later, I'm down to 6.1% body fat.

not calling :bs: just yet, but how were you tested? in a water tank? electrically? or with calipers?

the only true test is in a water tank because electric testing would mean you'd need to be fully hydrated and unless you are drinking in excess of 2 gallons of water a day, which you don't mention as part of your diet, i doubt you are. the caliper method is not precise enough to pinpoint 1/2 percentiles, so i am guessing that wasn't it either. since we are talking about 6.5 % body fat percentage, your water intake would be limited, as well.

losing that amount of bodyfat in a 16 month period is not healthy. it means far more than trimming fat from your meats and working out and doing cardio. it is hard core training. it means boiling your meat, not grilling it on GFG. it means watching every single thing in your diet and not munching on fruit between meals. it is near impossible to trim that much fat from your body without a very strict diet, and using diuretics. this is the type of training bodybulders go through (ask me how i know) to prepare for shows. it's not easy and usually the person undergoing such training is not a chipper little birdy, but a moody bastard who hates the world (ask me how i know). usually your caloric intake is way lower than normal, and most meals and replacements leave you hungry (ask me how i know).

so, tell us, how were you tested?

[firebirdcrazy]

I need to get my butt back to the gym. I am so out of shape its embarrasing. I spent the day Sat detailing my car by Sat night and till today I am still in pain from being sore. How stupid is that lol.

[V]

I currently exercise 5 days a week, and about 1.5 hours each day. I'm now at 175lbs (i was 210 last april).
mon, wed, and fri, are run days averaging between 3 and 7 miles long.
Tues and thur are muscle failure days, which is where we work our upper body, abs and legs until you just cant do anymore.
Then on random days we play a sport or run up and down snow piles and low crawl aand roll around in the snow... some good ole snow PT.
As for my diet, i havent really changed a thing, just cut back a lil..., fast food, pizza, soda, all the good stuff still.

With us, they kinda keep us away from really building muscle mass, just keeping/making us tone instead. Eventually i will go to the gym here, since its free, lol, and start working my arms and chest. Thatll probably be when i reach my goal weight of 165.

and i think its funny when me at my age, and probably in the best shape of my life now, i can easily outrun others who are 10 years younger than me in the 2 mile by over 2 minutes... thats sad for them.

[rscamaro73]

and i think its funny when me at my age, and probably in the best shape of my life now, i can easily outrun others who are 10 years younger than me in the 2 mile by over 2 minutes... thats sad for them.


I'm now 35.....I got out of the Marines in '02 at the age of 30......

I think that now I'm more overall 'fit' than when I was in....I'm stronger, put on real muscle mass, and surprisingly - since I HATE running, am down to 3 miles in 26:30 as of the other day. My times just get quicker as I go....guess its because I have a 'bigger picture' in mind now than I did years ago. I just wish my buddy who was almost a gym rat decided to take me in there and set me up back then instead of when I did a couple years ago.

Well, we all know what hindsight is like....

And of course, all the aches and pains with old age :nod:

[WildBillyT]

not calling :bs: just yet, but how were you tested? in a water tank? electrically? or with calipers?

the only true test is in a water tank because electric testing would mean you'd need to be fully hydrated and unless you are drinking in excess of 2 gallons of water a day, which you don't mention as part of your diet, i doubt you are. the caliper method is not precise enough to pinpoint 1/2 percentiles, so i am guessing that wasn't it either. since we are talking about 6.5 % body fat percentage, your water intake would be limited, as well.

losing that amount of bodyfat in a 16 month period is not healthy. it means far more than trimming fat from your meats and working out and doing cardio. it is hard core training. it means boiling your meat, not grilling it on GFG. it means watching every single thing in your diet and not munching on fruit between meals. it is near impossible to trim that much fat from your body without a very strict diet, and using diuretics. this is the type of training bodybulders go through (ask me how i know) to prepare for shows. it's not easy and usually the person undergoing such training is not a chipper little birdy, but a moody bastard who hates the world (ask me how i know). usually your caloric intake is way lower than normal, and most meals and replacements leave you hungry (ask me how i know).

so, tell us, how were you tested?


Those impedance scales are easy to fake, by the way. Even the ones with an "athletic" setting can be duped by excess body water.

[rscamaro73]

Those impedance scales are easy to fake, by the way. Even the ones with an "athletic" setting can be duped by excess body water.

FYI - The ones at LA Fitness....I can take mine 'normal' and then on 'athletic' and drop 2% body fat with no other changes....you take one where you're standing vs holding and it'll usually show even less...so yes, there's ways to make them say what you want.

And not to sound ghey....but if you post up a pic....you can prove your 6% ;)
I don't think we'd be able to argue that too much (unless it just isn't you...:rofl:)

Ladies....don't get all worked up if it is him....:lol:
(you too billy ;))

[damon_Z]

not calling :bs: just yet, but how were you tested? in a water tank? electrically? or with calipers?

the only true test is in a water tank because electric testing would mean you'd need to be fully hydrated and unless you are drinking in excess of 2 gallons of water a day, which you don't mention as part of your diet, i doubt you are. the caliper method is not precise enough to pinpoint 1/2 percentiles, so i am guessing that wasn't it either. since we are talking about 6.5 % body fat percentage, your water intake would be limited, as well.

losing that amount of bodyfat in a 16 month period is not healthy. it means far more than trimming fat from your meats and working out and doing cardio. it is hard core training. it means boiling your meat, not grilling it on GFG. it means watching every single thing in your diet and not munching on fruit between meals. it is near impossible to trim that much fat from your body without a very strict diet, and using diuretics. this is the type of training bodybulders go through (ask me how i know) to prepare for shows. it's not easy and usually the person undergoing such training is not a chipper little birdy, but a moody bastard who hates the world (ask me how i know). usually your caloric intake is way lower than normal, and most meals and replacements leave you hungry (ask me how i know).

so, tell us, how were you tested?

I got my body fat measured three times--when I first started working out in December 2006, then in October 2007, and finally in March 31, 2008. I had a different fitness trainer measure me each time. The first two used the body fat calipers and the last one used a sonar machine. The first result was around 22% in December 2006, the second result in October 2007 was 9%, and the last result was the 6.1% in 3/31/08.

For about the first 9 months of working out, I really didn't watch what I ate. I still ate the regular junk food and I didn't watch my caloric intake. I used vitamin and protein supplements. I worked out at least 5 days a week. Each day, I would lift for about an hour and then do cardio for about an hour. I didn't take any fitness classes during this time.

During the last 7 months, I increased my fitness time from 5 days a week to 7 days a week, 2 hours per day. I started attending a variety of 1 hour fitness classes (to break up the day-to-day workout monotony) while still lifting at least an hour per day. I stopped the vitamin and protein supplementation and replaced them only with natural, unprocessed foods. I've also been following proper food combining to get the most nutrients out of my food.

If you want documented proof, I can probably provide them. The gym probably still has a file on me that includes my initial body fat number. I can also get verbal confirmation from the last two fitness trainers that measured my body fat.

[damon_Z]

And not to sound ghey....but if you post up a pic....you can prove your 6% ;)
I don't think we'd be able to argue that too much (unless it just isn't you...:rofl:)

Ladies....don't get all worked up if it is him....:lol:
(you too billy ;))

LOL

That's funny. I will not go as far as showing off my body as an internet picture, because I wouldn't even go to the beach to show it off. Even while working out at the gym, I wear modest, relax-fitting athletic shorts and t-shirts. No muscle tee or tight under-armors. Plus, there are enough young dudes out there who tastelessly show off their bodies in those adultfriendfinder web sites. The farthest I go to showing off my body is staring at myself for ten minutes in front of the quiet gym locker room's bathroom mirror right after a long workout and right before I put on my modest, relax-fit street shirt.

[97slpss]

damon z...not saying your not 6%, but if you are thats just not healthy to stay like that, thats comp. status. Usually takes diuretics and an INSANE DIET that only a true seasoned bodybuilder can handle. Im thinking the machine that was used to test your bf% was off.

[damon_Z]

damon z...not saying your not 6%, but if you are thats just not healthy to stay like that, thats comp. status. Usually takes diuretics and an INSANE DIET that only a true seasoned bodybuilder can handle. Im thinking the machine that was used to test your bf% was off.

Well, according to the last person that measured me, there was a +- 2% error
involved, but the prior measurement that was taken in October 2007 was at 9%. I guess the most reasonable thing I can say is that my body fat level is low and not give it a number.

Yeah, any skepticism is no big deal. What's important is that I'm fit and healthy.

[97slpss]

hey man any number around there and I have a lot of respect for you..thats a lot of sacrifice and dedication

[WildBillyT]

Yeah, any skepticism is no big deal. What's important is that I'm fit and healthy.

Exactly, but a BF number that is too low is also unhealthy.

Irregardless, congrats on your progress! That is some good stuff.

[damon_Z]

Exactly, but a BF number that is too low is also unhealthy.

Irregardless, congrats on your progress! That is some good stuff.

Thanks.

My current trainer also mentioned that I shouldn't go down any lower and to actually increase my protein intake and include whole grains in my diet. So, my original goal of getting toned has been fulfilled. Now, I will be trying to get more muscle mass.

[jims69camaro]

actually, you don't have to provide a picture. just do your best to describe what you see in the mirror. if you can only faintly see muscle under the skin, then the person who measured you gave you a real screwing. if your skin is paper thin and every muscle in your body stands out, you can see the veins move when your heart beats and you can clearly see your jaw muscles move when chewing food, then the 6.1% might be about right. there should be no pockets of fat anywhere on your body.

i've had my bf% as low as 5. i know what it feels like, and i was never in a good mood. i was constantly challenged in the weight room to move more than my body weight in anything, and rarely had more energy to cycle or tread for more than one hour. a stiff breeze made me feel like i was nude even when fully clothed, and i never ventured outdoors during winter months without first bundling up like i was living in the antarctic, even when it was 50 degrees outside...

basically, at 6% you are right on the extremely unhealthy edge and should consider bringing some other things back into your diet besides more protein and whole grains. i applaud your efforts, though, as very few people outside of the competitive bodybuilder world know what it's like to have a bf% that low.

[Squirrel]

hey damon whats your height/weight?

[IROCdan330]

I go 5 days a week...typically legs are monday, back is tuesday, shoulders wednesday, chest thursday, arms friday...but i do mix it up a tad and throw in abs/cardio when I can.

Sometimes its heavy, sometimes its moderate with excellent form, I try not to stay doing the same thing all the time...been doing it for about a year consistantly now...started at about 159 with 16-18% body fat...now I weigh in at about 183 with about 11-14% body fat (I'm 5' 8")...diet is fairly strict with whole grains, about 220-250 g of protein daily, at least a gallon of water, and a decent amount of carbs to make sure my glycogen stores aren't depleated. I have my cheats every now and then as well...since I'm currently training for mass and not in any competition diet, I'm a big fan of red meat.

Just to throw my .02 in body fat % ...like Jims69camaro said the water tank is the only accurate measure, everything else has a lot of variables. With everyone saying it is unhealthy to be in the 6% range, thats absolutely true. I'm not doubting the person who said theyre 6% by any means, but that has to be a very uncomfortable lifestyle...muscles must ache all the time...

Todays pro bodybuilders weigh 250+ and have a body fat in the range of 9-12% but are absolutely shredded. There is no way of measuring their total BF percentage that is accurate, due to all the intra-muscular fats and other variables, but scientifically speaking their BF % is a lot higher than most think.

[damon_Z]

hey damon whats your height/weight?

I'm a scrawny, Filipino dude:

5'6, 133 lbs

When I first started back in December 2006, I was at 155 lbs with a 32" inch waist. 22lbs less later, my waist has thinned to a 29".

My goal was to get toned and not body build. If I had to describe the way I look, then I would just tell you to go see Will Smith in I Am Legend--when he has his shirt off and doing the pull-ups.

[97slpss]

thats not healthy...try to put some weight on man idk what your trainers doing

[damon_Z]

thats not healthy...try to put some weight on man idk what your trainers doing

Well, that's now the goal. I've toned up and trimmed down. Now is the time to increase muscle mass by increasing healthy calories, lifting heavier weights, and pulling back a little bit on cardio.

As for being uncomfortable with a low body fat? That's not happening here. My muscles definitely are not aching and my energy levels are higher than they ever were. I'm comfortable as long as I get my sufficient intake of healthy calories.

[rscamaro73]

Given the fact that he's Filipino....and I have known a few - they've got a great body style for getting lean muscles. Genetics I guess. Guy I worked with in Iraq was HUGE.....and quite lean. At least 8-10% B.F. So now this is known, I don't doubt as much....lol.

Still hatin' cuz I gotta get there myself....lol.

[Squirrel]

I'm a scrawny, Filipino dude:

5'6, 133 lbs

When I first started back in December 2006, I was at 155 lbs with a 32" inch waist. 22lbs less later, my waist has thinned to a 29".

My goal was to get toned and not body build. If I had to describe the way I look, then I would just tell you to go see Will Smith in I Am Legend--when he has his shirt off and doing the pull-ups.

oh... i thought you were a bigger guy by the way you talked... i mean 133 with low BF is something an unknowledgeable teenager strives for, no offense

[damon_Z]

oh... i thought you were a bigger guy by the way you talked... i mean 133 with low BF is something an unknowledgeable teenager strives for, no offense

No offense taken. In fact I couldn't agree with you more as my next goal is to put on more weight through muscle. I mean, staying at my puny level now is as bad as keeping a slow LT1, no offense.

[WildBillyT]

No offense taken. In fact I couldn't agree with you more as my next goal is to put on more weight through muscle. I mean, staying at my puny level now is as bad as keeping a slow LT1, no offense.

Damon,

Don't sell yourself short. 133 at 6% is only 8lbs of fat. I don't consider that "puny" since your LBM is high. I know people that weigh more than you that have less LBM.

The only thing that you may have trouble with (IMHO) is your body type. If you hit 6% you are probably ectomorphic, or ecto-meso and will therefore be a hard gainer. Then again, I don't know you personally so I could be way off...

[Squirrel]

No offense taken. In fact I couldn't agree with you more as my next goal is to put on more weight through muscle. I mean, staying at my puny level now is as bad as keeping a slow LT1, no offense.

fail. lol
but good luck packing on the weight, it takes a lot of dedication

[BigRocsFirebird]

I work out. I have been lifting for 3 years i started at 13 i am 16 now but lift 5 days out of the week but sometimes 7/7. My dad showed me what to do he has been lifting for 33 years so i know what i am doing. I am the biggest kid for my age and size in school lol i am short though 5.7 i weigh 148 no fat on me and i never plan to stop lifting.

[rscamaro73]

I work out. I have been lifting for 3 years i started at 13 i am 16 now but lift 5 days out of the week but sometimes 7/7. My dad showed me what to do he has been lifting for 33 years so i know what i am doing. I am the biggest kid for my age and size in school lol i am short though 5.7 i weigh 148 no fat on me and i never plan to stop lifting.

Well, since you're growing still...hit up the protein shakes up....you'll need to max out your intake to 'gain' with a high metabolism.....

I just got back in the gym after a few months off....oh boy....went Weds night and today I'm JUST able to move my arms again (and we did CHEST !)

Can't wait to get some new suppliments :mrgreen:

[lt14mla]

currently doing a cutting phase
clean diet
hiit training 5 days a week
lifing 3-4 days a week, 1 muscle group at a time

[LTb1ow]

Lift every day of the week. It keeps me happy.

[madness410]

im half filipino and im 5'11.5" and 205 pounds. not really fat but not really built...husky is the word.

but home gym ftw...got a bench, squat rack, chin up bar for lats, chin ups, pull ups, dumbells, punching bag etc. etc.

its great working out when u can but a gym is always nice. one of my good buddies is a personal trainer at nysc so he gets me in for free and gives me good fitness advice.

i shoot to work out 5 days a week but in reality 3-4 days a week

[SStealth2k]

I lift 5days a week, Im 5'11 200lbs, Back when i was pretty hard core with the gym i was weighing in at 225 with little fat, but with it being summer its hard to put on weight and keep it there. My goal is to weigh 235 im sure I will be able to do it. Im only 21 so i have plenty of time to get as big as I want

I get my personal trainers card september 20th so im pretty pumped about it.

[BigRocsFirebird]

yes i have protien bars also you need 1-2 grams of protien per pound. me and my dad have boxes of them and three 6 pound bags of whey protien mix so we got it coverd lol and i love tuna fish 37 grams of protien per can.

[Squirrel]

yeah im up to 210 dirty right now, i planning on gettin to 220 and cruise so i can compete, but will eventually end up, hopefully, in the 242's, which would make a 5'9 frame filled out very nicely

[LTb1ow]

On this topic, can anyone recommend a good supplement similar to NOxplode or superpump?

[rscamaro73]

On this topic, can anyone recommend a good supplement similar to NOxplode or superpump?

Why not just use their products together ? As in the Noxplode and the cellmass ?? I used them both in conjuction with Creatine monohydrate powder (and yes I over did it with it)....but as long as you keep pushing the water thru your system, and you put out in the gym, you WILL see improvements.

In a less than 6 month period I went up over 30lbs in dumbbell chest press. More like 40-45lbs, but I wasn't anywhere in shape before hand, and we'd go 6-7 days a week. I went a week ago this past Weds, and I'm just getting over my soreness. I pushed it WAY too hard, and no supplements. But I did double my protein intake for a week afterwards.

I'm thinking about going to school for some health/fitness degree....but I'm not sure what all I wanna do yet 'for sure'....I checked the College of NJ and I can't swing the cost there....lol.

[LTb1ow]

Well I was looking for something to replace the NOxplode. It just doesn't do it for me anymore. I have heard super pump was good?

[rscamaro73]

Yeah, you should mix it up once a month or so.....that's what I was switching with - the NOxplode/cell mass one month (or until my supply ran out) then to superpump and size on. I think sticking with one product line for products more than 90 days isn't worth it....and since this usually lasts about a month for everyone that goes to the gym 5-7 days a week, its a win win situation. Your body doesn't get used to one supplement system, so it readjusts....as should your workout, in about the same cycles.

I can't speak from any experience from any 'cutting cycles'.....but I'm sure the guys that are there will give you more accurate info as far as whats working for them.

[SteveR]

Well I was looking for something to replace the NOxplode. It just doesn't do it for me anymore. I have heard super pump was good?

superpump is ok, but tastes like ass. I have the fruit punch one and it tastes like battery acid. Needless to say, most of it is still in there lol

[WildBillyT]

Make sure you are timing your supplementation right. Pre/post workout intake is important, just as your diet is a few hours beforehand. I've never used NO boosters but I have used other supplements that don't work right/lose their effect if taken at the wrong time. What time of day do you work out?

[Squirrel]

i used to use universal's shock therapy and storm combo, gotta get the same flavor and just mix them together pre-workout and sip on it throughout, i liked the grape

[LTb1ow]

I usually take it as soon as I get off work which is around 430. I try to eat a big lunch at 12.

[DevilDougWS6]

im only 5' 9" and around 175 lbs. havent worked out in a while and im out of shape....i just started taking on some workout routines in my home which include some boot camp **** (8 count body builders, mountain climbers, push ups, pull ups, etc.) and so far in about 2 weeks i lost 4-5 lbs from 180 lbs. i need to trim a lot of excess fat off of my body that has been built up from being lazy lately. and im trying to max out my pull ups again (around 20). gah there is too much involved, i jsut drink plenty of water and try to exercise regularly when i can. trying more cardio as well to lose weight, but lifting to build muscle too. id be happy to be cut and my same weight maybe a little lighter.

[WildBillyT]

If anybody else does heavy/power training, take a look at Met-Rx's Joint Guard.

I started taking it two weeks ago to protect my knees and shoulders and it works fantastic- way better than the Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM stuff I was taking beforehand. I don't get any joint noise or pain like I did before. I gotta say I'm impressed at how well it works.

[HardcoreZ28]

If anybody else does heavy/power training, take a look at Met-Rx's Joint Guard.

I started taking it two weeks ago to protect my knees and shoulders and it works fantastic- way better than the Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM stuff I was taking beforehand. I don't get any joint noise or pain like I did before. I gotta say I'm impressed at how well it works.

Interesting....what's in it Bill? I'm about to switch gyms so I can start going on my lunch break again. With my crazy schedule I've only been getting to the gym 2-3 days a week tops. Now I'll be back to 5 days a week and hopefully put some muscle back on.

[Squirrel]

Bill have you tried Animal Flex?, when i was going at 110% last year it really helped, its not priced too bad either, 44 days for 20 some bucks

[WildBillyT]

Paul:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/met/superjointguard.html

Eric:

No, I haven't. I'll take a look.

[DevilDougWS6]

ive been exercising with this routine the last two weeks:
Sunday: Off
Monday: muscle training: pushups, squats, lunges, 8 count body builders, plank, and pull ups
Tuesday: Cardio: Jog for 5 mins, sprint for 1 minute, jog for 3 minutes and repeat 2 more times
Wednesday: Muscle
Thursday: Cardio
Friday: Muscle
Saturday: Cardio

I will mix up the cardio a bit though and go play paintball, or volleyball when its warm. paintball is an EXCELLENT workout (so is combat) i lost a lot of weight last year just by playing paintball, lol

My diet is kinda iffy, i eat mostly good stuff with a mix of junk. alot of beef, go lean cereal (which has flaxseed oil), i dont know which way to go with supplements, if at all, they are expensive and I dont know what to take. I want to be a little leaner but a little bigger in muscle mass. I lost about 5 pounds in those two weeks, but i dont want to lose much more weight....i want to be around 170 with less fat. and i want to be defined. is this workout that i am doing good for me or am i wasting my time? i can see a little more cut lines on my chest and abs, but these damn love handles wont go away.

I will keep updated in a few weeks.

BTW, Marine Corps bootcamp exercises kick ASS! they will kick the **** out of you but seem to be an excellent workout.

[LuvMyF8LWS6]

I'm on Nutrisystem and it rules! Expensive, but rules. I've lost a lot of weight fast from eating their diet. I also belong to 365 Fitness in Middletown, but I think I just pay them so I can say "Yeah, I belong to a gym!"

[Squirrel]

Doug, ultimately what are you looking to do? Are you trying up LBM and decrease BF at the same time?

[cdacda13]

Holy crap. I took about 3 weeks off and I'm now dead. 40 minutes till I was done! That used to take 80 minutes. The stamina is gone, as is some mass, but the strength was still there surprisingly.
Routine today:
Bench Press- 10 at 135, 8 at 155, 6 at 185.
Incline Bench- 3 sets, 5 reps at 135
Decline press- 2 sets, 10 reps, 55

Tri pull down rope- 10 at 60, 8 at 70, 6 at 80
Skull crushers- 10 at 60, 8 at 80, then I couldn't move my arms anymore.

[DevilDougWS6]

thats pretty much what im looking to do...build muscle while lowering body fat...or should i do one at a time? i mean i have a lot of muscle...it is just covered by fat, haha

[Turbo383LT1]

5 days a week

[ar0ck]

BTW, Marine Corps bootcamp exercises kick ASS! they will kick the **** out of you but seem to be an excellent workout.

OCS Training kills me at the end of the day. I slacked off this summer & I was supposed to start my Pre-Ship PFT but I hurt myself this weekend so now I'm screwed. We do training every Friday morning and were on our own for the rest.

[WildBillyT]

thats pretty much what im looking to do...build muscle while lowering body fat...or should i do one at a time? i mean i have a lot of muscle...it is just covered by fat, haha

I've had my best success doing one at a time. It also depends on your ultimate goal. If you want to be more ripped up do more cardio and higher rep (8-12) excercises. If you want to lift heavy **** and don't really care too much about having extra fat, work in rep ranges around 5.

[jims69camaro]

now you guys are into the realm of "how do i keep the muscle i have but get rid of this layer of fat i've built up?" it's a fun time in bodybuilding, and one that requires the most experimentation. you have to gauge things by how your body responds to the stimulus, which you should have been doing all along to avoid injury. now, however, you get to play a little bit.

do not make any major changes to your routine. it's one of the ways to fail miserably and you might even lose interest in bodybuilding altogether. make minor changes, like an extra 15 minutes of cardio per day. 100 calories less today than yesterday, but be very careful when cutting carbs. you might signal your body to go into "famine" mode and then everything you eat will get stored as fat.

take your time and make minor changes, and listen to your body. the changes you make will obviously not be seen overnight, which is why keeping a diary or journal of the changes you make at this time is more important than ever. you want to see how 100 calories less per day affects you over a three week period. you'll want to see how your body reacts to an extra 15 minutes of cardio over a month period. use more measurements than just what you see in the mirror. keep a tape measure handy. body fat calipers are the cheap way out, but you can use them during this time, too.

take your time and see how your body reacts. summer is over, which usually means less movement and more sedentary activities, so be careful to factor that in as well.

best of all, you are the one controlling the changes to your body. ain't that great?

[rscamaro73]

Excellent post Jim.....I also want to mention that after a few weeks of HEAVY lifting, you might want to consider a GOOD deep tissue massage to really break down the muscles in a different way....then going back into the gym 2 days later to let the muscles heal up.....

Might run $75.....I managed to snag a freebie tonight :) (i was a demonstration tool for Linc Tech in N. Philly) .....I feel freaking GREAT !!!! :mrgreen:

[Tsar]

Didn't really read this thread, but I just came here to say that; If you are one of those guys who likes to do curls in the squat rack, QUIT IT! And no the girl in the corner who is doing shoulder press with 10 pounds is not looking at you, and no 55 pound curl, in a SQUAT RACK, is not impressing anyone!

[LTb1ow]

I can curl about a 100, does that make me cool?

[WildBillyT]

I can curl about a 100, does that make me cool?

Nope. LOL. Not looking to start a "how much you lift" thread.

[Tsar]

I can curl about a 100, does that make me cool?

Its not about how much you can curl, SQUAT RACK is for squats. There is plenty of equipment to do curls on.

[LTb1ow]

Ahhh ok, I was jesting with you though. I have no equipment anyway.

[WildBillyT]

Its not about how much you can curl, SQUAT RACK is for squats. There is plenty of equipment to do curls on.

Yep. I don't know why somebody would curl in a power rack if there's a preacher curl bench nearby. Most of the guys curling in the rack have crappy form with their back swaying as well.

[LTb1ow]

Preacher curls are horrific. They make me feel weak.

[WildBillyT]

Preacher curls are horrific. They make me feel weak.

That's what strict form will get you.

[LTb1ow]

Huh?

[WildBillyT]

Huh?

On a preacher bench it's harder to cheat since it's a more concentrated exercise than a standing curl. So you feel like a bitch since you can't do as much weight as a standing curl.

[Rich189]

Huh?

Basically if you feel weaker in the preacher bench your cheating even just a little bit when your not.

Anyway for my little post I used to be in excellent shape (never a huge guy but was very toned as i was a runner and b ball player in school)with right around 7.5-8% body fat after reading these posts im not going to give the exact number and be called a liar etc.

I recently started getting back into shape which is rough working as many hours as i do. But i made the commitment and have been in the gym 6-7 days a week for the past month or so... proud to say im back up to a steady 3 miles in 22 minutes as well as my other cardio and lifting regimen. Not looking to get huge like most of you guys just looking to gain decent amount of strength while getting my definition back (in reality that means the girlfriend wants the 6 pack back) and maybe a bit of size in my upper body

[LTb1ow]

Oh yes, right right, its more of my elbows feeling like they are separating than anything else... And my preacher pulpit sucks.

[Rich189]

On a preacher bench it's harder to cheat since it's a more concentrated exercise than a standing curl. So you feel like a bitch since you can't do as much weight as a standing curl.

you beat me to it billy

[LTb1ow]

I kinda posted it awhile ago, but I am just about out of NO stuff, any suggestions on a new pre workout drink? Or should I just stay with it?

[WildBillyT]

Oh yes, right right, its more of my elbows feeling like they are separating than anything else... And my preacher pulpit sucks.

Chances are you are using too much weight then. Your muscles can't hold it so your tendons/ligaments are taking the stress.

1 hr before your workout get 100mg of caffiene
30mins before your workout take 5g of creatine
10mins before your workout take 1 scoop of protein
During your workout drink a high carb drink like gatorade

[LTb1ow]

Yea that makes sense. And I can get all that stuff at GNC or similar right?

[WildBillyT]

Yea that makes sense. And I can get all that stuff at GNC or similar right?

You can buy it at most places.

Personally, I will not go to GNC for anything other than a RTD can of protien. They have always been very overpriced. Recently they did a PR blitz to show that "hey, we don't rape you as hard" but I still don't buy from there.

Bodybuilding.com or Vitamin Shoppe is where I go for protien and joint pills. I get my creatine straight from Met-Rx since nobody else seems to carry it.

The only other thing I have to say is don't be one of those guys that is just starting out and buys a friggin Ronnie Coleman supplement stack expecting to get huge overnight. When you just start out you need to learn to lift correctly to prevent injury, and you can probably be fine with protien and a vitamin. You can and will **** up your internal organs (kidneys and liver) if you take stuff that you don't know how to correctly use yet.

JMO.

[LTb1ow]

I am wary to start taking creatine straight. Had a kid in HS that became dependent on taking supplements... which is why I like the pre mixed stuff... super pump, xplod etc... And I get all my stuff through Vitamin Shoppe, dunno why I said GNC.

[WildBillyT]

I am wary to start taking creatine straight. Had a kid in HS that became dependent on taking supplements... which is why I like the pre mixed stuff... super pump, xplod etc... And I get all my stuff through Vitamin Shoppe, dunno why I said GNC.

The dependency sounds mental. There is actually a psychological term for something like it but I forget what it is, but it's basically "fear of smallness" and it can effect males like anorexia or bulimia can effect females.

See, I always put creatine at a safer place on my list than super pump and any NOx boosters. You don't have to take it at the dosage they reccomend to get the effect and all you have to do is be sure to stay hydrated.

[LTb1ow]

No like if you take TOO much creatine, your body will stop producing it and you will need to take supplements all the time even when not lifting. Or something like that. I don't take the full dosage for Xplod and I get a good workout in, so I guess its just individual. I will most likely end up getting more xplod cause I am lazy. :wink: But with school and work, I will not be able to lift as much..... :evil:

[WildBillyT]

No like if you take TOO much creatine, your body will stop producing it and you will need to take supplements all the time even when not lifting. Or something like that. I don't take the full dosage for Xplod and I get a good workout in, so I guess its just individual. I will most likely end up getting more xplod cause I am lazy. :wink: But with school and work, I will not be able to lift as much..... :evil:

Never heard of that before.

Yeah, work gets in the way of lifting LOL.

[LTb1ow]

And the sucky part with the Xplod stuff and I assume all "pre workout" stuff, is the massive caffeine levels. If I lift later than like 6 I am up all night staring at the ceiling.

[WildBillyT]

And the sucky part with the Xplod stuff and I assume all "pre workout" stuff, is the massive caffeine levels. If I lift later than like 6 I am up all night staring at the ceiling.

Yup. Even then you have to get a good postworkout meal in and that will keep you up as well.

[LTb1ow]

So whats a good tricep exercise? Right now I just hang a dumbbell behind my head but I am curious if there are any better ones. Keep in mind I lift at home. So all free weight stuff.

[WildBillyT]

So whats a good tricep exercise? Right now I just hang a dumbbell behind my head but I am curious if there are any better ones. Keep in mind I lift at home. So all free weight stuff.

I lift as home as well. Skullcrushers have been good to me- just make sure you don't overload the weight or you will injure your elbows.

[LTb1ow]

Yea, and since I lift most of the time home alone, I am hesitant to do skull crushers, with a large weight its a bitch to get set up by your self. Granted I guess I bench without a spotter so I guess I'm living on the edge anyways... :lol:

[WildBillyT]

Yea, and since I lift most of the time home alone, I am hesitant to do skull crushers, with a large weight its a bitch to get set up by your self. Granted I guess I bench without a spotter so I guess I'm living on the edge anyways... :lol:

You just have to be a bit more conservative with the weights you use. Don't go heavy until you feel good and ready.

[LTb1ow]

I hear you on that one, I set up my pulpit today after you guys said it was a better exercise and I did it will 25lbs on each hand and man do I feel like a bitch now. Good burn though.

[Squirrel]

close grip BP, floor press, and using bands and chains all help with lockout power

[BigRocsFirebird]

well idk if this is much to you but i turned 16 in july. i am only 5.6 n now 150lbs i have been taking protien like crazy now and i have been gaining alot more mass. but i have been curling around 115with about 7 reps. i usaly go up to 215 with 6 reps daily. my workout is chest back n sholders one day then next is arms n legs i keep doing that every day switch but take sunday of sometimes bc i get beat. before all thius protien i have been lifting like this but now on protien i noticed more mass. kids in school keep telling me to get a steriods test. i might have to get one jsut to prove i am not on it lol

[rscamaro73]

If you're careful....and start a lil Creatine in the supplements you're taking, you'll see some benefit out of it. I saw it MORE when I was lifting HEAVY for less reps. I haven't been in the gym in quite some time now (and it sucks)....but since you have a good schedule going, stick with it. If you're looking to just add on the size, now is the time to start eating 'cleaner' and putting in more chicken and some lean meats....eggs....tuna....just to change up the protein you're taking in.

How many grams are you taking per day ? And how often ??

[BigRocsFirebird]

i eat protein all day my dad is more into that than i am but i love tuna. i am eating some now lol its 37 grams n i have protein bars i am about to eat but every couple hrs i eat protein. they say the average body takes in 50 grams like every 3 hrs or something like that so i normaly have 57 grams every 3 hrs. i have 2 big bags of EAS protein powder my dad uses that i dont like it. i dont ever want to stop unless it kills me working out.

[BigRocsFirebird]

by the way nice thread you started look how long its going on for.

[LTb1ow]

New PR on bench today! Woot! 220 !

[cdacda13]

Well, I'm back to working out 6 days a week now, which is fun. I'm thinking about using a new training method. My old training method being, 3 sets 10x8x6 with increasing weight. Fun pyramid, picked it up while training for football and have kept it ever since. Works great but looking to try something different.
While researching bb.com articles, I came across two methods I like.
The reverse pyramid. I figure 3 sets 8x10x12 would be a great starting point.
The second one is, what they call, Hypertrophy-Specific Training. It looks pretty badass. (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/hst1.htm)
Kinda scientific-y and its long three days a week, so I guess I could use those extra days off to do homework.:rofl:

Anyone have any experience with these two methods?

[rscamaro73]

Interesting read to say the least.

I found VAST improvement from hardly lifting to jumping right into 6-7 days a week for about 4 months, then going to 5-6 days a week, and was using the up pyramid. Then when we did arms we'd do a BIG pyramid til failure x 2 or 3 :twisted:

I saw gains from that and the 'overuse' (as I now know it as) of creatine. I was really pushing water then, and upped my protein intake and threw in cardio now and then. I got to the point where I 'impressed' the guys I was working out with. Now....not so much...lol.

I did change up to doing more weight on machines and the 8-6-6(4) reps and pushed my workout (3-4 exercises per group/1 group a day) in 30-45 minutes. Helped since I didn't have much time anymore....

[WildBillyT]

Well, I'm back to working out 6 days a week now, which is fun. I'm thinking about using a new training method. My old training method being, 3 sets 10x8x6 with increasing weight. Fun pyramid, picked it up while training for football and have kept it ever since. Works great but looking to try something different.
While researching bb.com articles, I came across two methods I like.
The reverse pyramid. I figure 3 sets 8x10x12 would be a great starting point.
The second one is, what they call, Hypertrophy-Specific Training. It looks pretty badass. (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/hst1.htm)
Kinda scientific-y and its long three days a week, so I guess I could use those extra days off to do homework.:rofl:

Anyone have any experience with these two methods?


Nope. I do the Bill Starr 5x5. It's not for those that want beach muscles or to get ripped- it's a program to get you lifting for power. Lot of room for injury, though.

[Jclt12003]

i have been lifting 6 days a week now for about a steady 6 months. I have noticed some pretty decent gains and alot of ppl noticed them as well. I started by loosing 18 pounds i'm down to 159 lbs now still wanna loose another 5 or 8 pounds and i have increased my lifting weight quiet a bit. I go to achieve 24 hour fitness on mainstreet in Hackettstown it's 42 a month i believe great gym.

[cdacda13]

Bring it back!
I remember someone saying something about animal Pak and stacks. I'm taking them right now, and I must say, it really makes your urine a nice, day-glow yellow no matter how much water you drink.
Time to start hitting the gym, and get a head start on your New Years Resolution to get in shape.

[procamaroz28]

startin to get back on schedule goal is to bench 405 by the time im 21 (this june)

[2RARE84s]

startin to get back on schedule goal is to bench 405 by the time im 21 (this june)

How much do you weigh?

[procamaroz28]

How much do you weigh?

208

[procamaroz28]

Bring it back!
I remember someone saying something about animal Pak and stacks. I'm taking them right now, and I must say, it really makes your urine a nice, day-glow yellow no matter how much water you drink.
Time to start hitting the gym, and get a head start on your New Years Resolution to get in shape.

honestly go for gnc mega man multivitamin cheaper and gets job done!

[2RARE84s]

208

Cool, you should be able to do it. Will still be hard though. Good luck.

[procamaroz28]

Thanks!!

[procamaroz28]

BTW who here goes to ballys in east brunswick??? or rutgers newark gym??

[WildBillyT]

honestly go for gnc mega man multivitamin cheaper and gets job done!

Not trying to be a dick, but F GNC. Their stuff is overpriced even on gold card days.

Puritan's Pride Daily 3 broad spectrum are the best per dollar from what I've seen. And it has the required riboflavin to make your pee glow in the dark if that's what you need.

[procamaroz28]

bottle is 20$ for gnc multivitamin im not sayin gnc is good, is far from it if anything i just use ther multivitamin cause it get the job done

[WildBillyT]

http://www.puritan.com/multivitamins-067/daily-3-capsules-with-antioxidant-factors-013743

At buy 2 get 3 free that's 13.91 a bottle, a total of 500 pills. And they are loaded with stuff that isn't included in the GNC pills.

Obviously do whatever you want, I just thought I'd offer an alternative to those who are interested.

[98tadriver]

honestly go for gnc mega man multivitamin cheaper and gets job done!

you get 41 packs of vitamins for like 26 bucks and it gets the job done just fine
im with billy about gnc being overpriced. even with their sales they take your money!!

i changed my routine, and took some new supplements in may of this year and it made a helluva difference. i gained more size and strength, and still maintained definition

[FIcamaroRE92]

I have been going 5 days a week for about a year1/2 now, Only thing I use is creatine. Some other stuff here and there tho.

[mc73nova]

anyone here lift without using any suppliments?

[WildBillyT]

anyone here lift without using any suppliments?

Not me. I'd never recover fast enough.

[procamaroz28]

Not me. I'd never recover fast enough.

same here use twinlab whey, creakic, and vpx meltdown only before cario

one thing i used to use and it was great was universal natural sterol complex, only 20 a bottle and def worth the money

[LTb1ow]

anyone here lift without using any suppliments?


I lift with just superpump, not sure whether thats in your grouping.

[mc73nova]

I lift with just superpump, not sure whether thats in your grouping.

I'm not grouping, I just never used anything while lifting. I was wondering if everyone that lifts on here used something to help them thats all.

[LTb1ow]

The super pump doesn't "help" me as much as the xplod stuff did, but I can sleep the night after I lift, so thats a plus.

[procamaroz28]

The super pump doesn't "help" me as much as the xplod stuff did, but I can sleep the night after I lift, so thats a plus.

i hate the NO xpold if u want take mine cause im gonna throw it out i got it used it a few and now hate it

[LTb1ow]

Never go back to that stuff. Superpump is way better and doesn't make me want to kill something if I take more than 2 scoops.

[Tsar]

Never go back to that stuff. Superpump is way better and doesn't make me want to kill something if I take more than 2 scoops.Funny it has no effect on me, besides not being tired after I lift my usual load and then some more. But I experienced what they advertised only once, the very first time I tried it :lol:

[procamaroz28]

ya i know wat u mean i honestly dont like any NO supplements if ill try somthing else for preworkout it will just be some kinda anabolic activator

[LTb1ow]

Funny it has no effect on me, besides not being tired after I lift my usual load and then some more. But I experienced what they advertised only once, the very first time I tried it :lol:

I guess, I am kinda sensitive to caffeine, so when I would try to get more out of it, I would just get really hyper and not able to focus on anything.

[WildBillyT]

I'm not grouping, I just never used anything while lifting. I was wondering if everyone that lifts on here used something to help them thats all.

Recovery is a big thing for me. I lift hard 3 days a week and without proper rest/diet/supps I'd be stuck at a plateau all the time with damaged shoulder tendons and muscle strains.

If you want to stay w/o supps or use a few supps to their max advantage take a look at using nutrient timing principles. It requires you to be kind of religous and careful with what you eat when but you can get the most out of everything.

[FIcamaroRE92]

Never go back to that stuff. Superpump is way better and doesn't make me want to kill something if I take more than 2 scoops.

Never tried that, How much is it?

[wretched73]

While lifting for football all through high school and the end of my eighth grade, i was able to get my squat up to 300lbs w/o supplements

Just goes to show hard work pays off regardless (and going through puberty :rofl:)

[rscamaro73]

While lifting for football all through high school and the end of my eighth grade, i was able to get my squat up to 300lbs w/o supplements

Just goes to show hard work pays off regardless (and going through puberty :rofl:)

At 130lbs I was at a 300 lb squat....went for 315 and I think that's when I messed my pass side knee up. Couldn't get it up from 'parallel'......but its been jacked worse since 90.....so I don't do squats (free weight or smith machine), but plenty of any other leg work :)

I'm not big on all the supplements out there, but the super pump deal and creatine was all I took.....I'd prolly try more if I knew it was going to help me any. I'll has to take Big Billy's word on this....he knows how 'swolt' I am....:rofl: :lol:

[wretched73]

At 130lbs I was at a 300 lb squat....went for 315 and I think that's when I messed my pass side knee up. Couldn't get it up from 'parallel'......but its been jacked worse since 90.....so I don't do squats (free weight or smith machine), but plenty of any other leg work :)

I'm not big on all the supplements out there, but the super pump deal and creatine was all I took.....I'd prolly try more if I knew it was going to help me any. I'll has to take Big Billy's word on this....he knows how 'swolt' I am....:rofl: :lol:

hahah i like how you said pass side knee cap, but yea my back got to me after 300lbs and limited me there for a while

But i would recommend any supplements like creatine or xplod or any of that stuff, go with straight up whey protein, its the best kind for you and of course take your vitamins!

[WildBillyT]

hahah i like how you said pass side knee cap, but yea my back got to me after 300lbs and limited me there for a while

But i would recommend any supplements like creatine or xplod or any of that stuff, go with straight up whey protein, its the best kind for you and of course take your vitamins!

Yeah, from what I remember most "serious" sports nutrition people say don't bother with other supps if you aren't doing at least a vitamin and whey already.

[wretched73]

Yeah, from what I remember most "serious" sports nutrition people say don't bother with other supps if you aren't doing at least a vitamin and whey already.

sorry i meant i wouldnt*** suggest any supplements other than whey protein and vitamins, im just not a personal fan of things like xplod and what not and dont think they do enough good to be justified

[LTb1ow]

For the guys that do take superpump, do you eat right before taking it?

[rscamaro73]

For the guys that do take superpump, do you eat right before taking it?

I never did. I'd go to the gym by 11am, and then either do a big shake afterwards or grab a bite to eat - usualy chicken breast, sometimes some sketti's.....usually it was a clean meal.....sometimes even a salad with a big shake.

I really ought to get on the ball and get a schedule together....and stick to it....

[LTb1ow]

I had a chix sandwich at 12, lifted at 3 ish, went well. And grape super pump looks horrible but tastes delicious.

[BigRocsFirebird]

i eat protien for mass but not shakes and all. i just think all those supplements are a mind thing like my friends sware the mixes and all help out but idk.

[Tsar]

i eat protien for mass but not shakes and all. i just think all those supplements are a mind thing like my friends sware the mixes and all help out but idk.

Hows whey protein a "mind thing"?

[LTb1ow]

I think he is referring to stuff like superpump, xplod etc...
I find that they work, but I also lift without them on days so I don't develop a addiction to lifting with em, if that makes sense.

[Tsar]

I think he is referring to stuff like superpump, xplod etc...
I find that they work, but I also lift without them on days so I don't develop a addiction to lifting with em, if that makes sense.never tried superpump, and generally not a big fan of xplod - because I do not think it warrants its cost. Although I would definitely say that it works. Although it doesn't deliver its promised "wired" effect for me (only happened once), that's because my body doesn't care for caffeine much, i can definitively see where it had improved my strength. at least while I'm on it :lol:


Superpump does contain creatine, right? I know Xplod does, so wouldn't saying it that it doesn't work be in the same ballpark as saying that creatine doesn't work? Just thinking out loud here.

[LTb1ow]

I think they both contain small amounts of creatine. Noxplod has more water rentention for bigger mass, I think.

[98tadriver]

i eat protien for mass but not shakes and all. i just think all those supplements are a mind thing like my friends sware the mixes and all help out but idk.

blasphemy!

sounds like youre just too narrow minded and ignorant to the supplement world

its simple science- your body uses up vitamins, amino acids and other things that simply cannot be replaced fast enough. what happens? you wear out and cant complete sets. then your sore as hell the next day. supplements help you get a better workout and recover faster.

[LTb1ow]

What are some good ones to take?

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

anyone here lift without using any suppliments?

I have Muscle Mlik shakes....that's it. And Powerbars.

[wretched73]

im not a fan of creatine in general, i dont think its the healthy/smart route in the long run

[Tsar]

im not a fan of creatine in general, i dont think its the healthy/smart route in the long run
Proof of unhealthy? and why not smart?

[procamaroz28]

im not a fan of creatine in general, i dont think its the healthy/smart route in the long run

depends what creatine... and wat results u lookin for?

[procamaroz28]

What are some good ones to take?

depends wher u at now and what are your goals?
stuff that works great for me dont mean it will be same for u

[Squirrel]

i just got a few new goodies in the mail a couple days ago, waiting till i get my new gym membership before i begin playing though :)

[WildBillyT]

Proof of unhealthy? and why not smart?

I'd like to know this as well.

Granted, you can damage your liver or kidneys if you are constantly taking it and doing excessive drinking- or if you flat out take way too much of it.

[LTb1ow]

Drinking + creatine = bad?

[WildBillyT]

Drinking + creatine = bad?

Yes. A few beers or glasses of wine shouldn't be a big deal. But shots and jagerbombs and party drinking and you will end up with liver damage.

[98tadriver]

Yes. A few beers or glasses of wine shouldn't be a big deal. But shots and jagerbombs and party drinking and you will end up with liver damage.

lol this is true, and that will happen without supplements too haha. i dont party as much as i used to. especially when im working out.

for anybody who says supplements in general will hurt your liver, get a liver test before and then after. and of course, do not drink while working out for that time period, as it will throw off your liver test results

[Squirrel]

lol this is true, and that will happen without supplements too haha. i dont party as much as i used to. especially when im working out.

for anybody who says supplements in general will hurt your liver, get a liver test before and then after. and of course, do not drink while working out for that time period, as it will throw off your liver test results

+1, and unless youre doing a methylated DS or PH youre liver should be fine with any other supplements as long as you keep your water intake high

[wretched73]

Proof of unhealthy? and why not smart?

i stated it as an opinion just so this wouldnt get brought up

[Tsar]

i stated it as an opinion just so this wouldnt get brought up
You didn't base your opinion on certain info? just pulled it out of nowhere?

[BigRocsFirebird]

blasphemy!

sounds like youre just too narrow minded and ignorant to the supplement world

its simple science- your body uses up vitamins, amino acids and other things that simply cannot be replaced fast enough. what happens? you wear out and cant complete sets. then your sore as hell the next day. supplements help you get a better workout and recover faster.

i take vitamins. i'm talking about that nox explod and all that other stuff. some sounds like a joke like theres one out there it says it saves oxygen for at least 2 extra reps and things like that.

[LTb1ow]

nitrous oxide is scientifically proven to what it is advertised to do, no?

[WildBillyT]

nitrous oxide is scientifically proven to what it is advertised to do, no?

That's nitric oxide. Same stuff your car uses a catalytic converter to reduce. It acts like a vasodialator in increases blood flow.

[LTb1ow]

Oops, thats what I meant. And got any good recommendations for vitamins?

[rscamaro73]

Hey guys - go to this fella's site - http://www.joe-cannon.com/

You can see his book there in the corner. He's the guy I took my trainer cert thru. He's prolly forgotten more than we all know together. Plus he's legit in his research as well. He calls it like he sees it, and won't BS either.

Worth the cost of the book if you want the straight scoop. And it just came out within the last year....

[rscamaro73]

It acts like a vasodialator in increases blood flow.

And cheaper than Viagra :mrgreen:

[LTb1ow]

Idk, sumperpump was 50 bucks....

[FIcamaroRE92]

You didn't base your opinion on certain info? just pulled it out of nowhere?

He dosn't have to. Its HIS opinion. and it is unhealthy in the long run, if you take it ALOT. as mentioned befor.

[Tsar]

He dosn't have to. Its HIS opinion. and it is unhealthy in the long run, if you take it ALOT. as mentioned befor.

Opinions are based on some kind of information, the ones that aren't are... well worthless, even as an opinion. Everything is unhealthy if there's too much of it, sun, pizza, meat, hell you can even die from drinking too much water. Do you have a point, or just "too much is bad for you"? We were talking normal dosage, and following recommendations.

[WildBillyT]

Oops, thats what I meant. And got any good recommendations for vitamins?

Yes. Puritan's pride daily 3's.

[LTb1ow]

No ill side effects? My mom just freaked out on me for taking non FDA approved stuff, so I am a bit hesitant now...

[Tsar]

No ill side effects? My mom just freaked out on me for taking non FDA approved stuff, so I am a bit hesitant now...
What did you take? :lol:

Side effects from Vitamins?