maybe its me this guy cant drive 09 vette

[johnjzjz]

http://jalopnik.com/398297/video-proof-of-the-2009-corvette-zr1s-7264-nurburgring-lap

[Jersyboyy]

I donno about you but it looked like he tore the road up in that car. He hit 170 before backing off the gas going out of the straightaway into a turn.
All I know is he can drive better than I can.

[qwikz28]

keep in mind the n-ring is lined with walls. if he spins, he will wreck. i know what you mean though, he damn near loses it on one bend

[sweetbmxrider]

he would have had a faster time if he didn't switch gears on the long straight away. he was at 176 then switch and dropped to 173ish and climbed up slowly to 179 when he hit the down hill. i mean its seconds, if that, but still slowed him down. other then that, pretty solid run.

[GP99GT]

i noticed the same thing on the straightaway

still some badass driving, a few turns he took with one hand on the wheel at like 120....F that

[Blacdout96]

AH! I noticed something, this time is ********! notice when teh timer starts, its at the end of the small straight heading into the left hander, but they stop the timer right after they come in to the right hander goign ontott h e small straight, this time is bugus and ******** HA! It really should be more like 7:31, how did noone pick up on that?

[sweetbmxrider]

yeah i dono, that is weird. he does a fast lap start too, kinda beat.

[Blacdout96]

oh, and they shouldnt of let this marketing/ engineer/ design dude whatever the hell he is drive it, they should of let Ron Fellows, or Andy Pilgrim drive it, woulda had a way better time

[GP99GT]

yeah i dono, that is weird. he does a fast lap start too, kinda beat.

they did the rolling start because thats how nissan did it with the GTR...most car companies are doing it that way

[WayFast84]

that looked so fun.

[qwikz28]

AH! I noticed something, this time is ********! notice when teh timer starts, its at the end of the small straight heading into the left hander, but they stop the timer right after they come in to the right hander goign ontott h e small straight, this time is bugus and ******** HA! It really should be more like 7:31, how did noone pick up on that?

its common practice to do a moving start and start the timer after the pits and end it before the pits... hence why the clock starts and stops at a different time

[BigAls87Z28]

Garage419.com already did a GTR vs ZR1 timer, and the ZR1 was still faster.

I think he did a good job. He's not just some random "designer". Jim Mero is one of the lead engineers on the Corvette.

[Blacdout96]

its common practice to do a moving start and start the timer after the pits and end it before the pits... hence why the clock starts and stops at a different time

well thats bogus cause thats a portiong of the track they arent taking into account for. thats like qualifying at talladega, and starting the timer at the start finish line and then your time ends in the middle of the tri oval, theres still a lenght of track to go and anything can happen. plus there isnt a difinative place where they start and stop the timer, as you seen the GT-R started in a different place then the ZR-1, so as far as Im concerned, until Nurburgring utilizes a permenant start/ finish timer line, these times dont mean squat to me.

and lead engineer, big whoop, just cause you buy magnum condoms, doesnt mean you got a big wang. jsut cause he played a major role in developiong the car doesnt mean he know how to professionally handle it, ok sure he knows the car to detail, but that doesnt make you faster, that just makes you more knowledgeable. he got squirmy on the track a few times, and a more accurate, indepth time could of been made by a professional driver. the ZR-1 still doesnt impress me. go for the overall track record, and then youll get my attention, until then, meh

[BigAls87Z28]

Not all of the following lap times are comparable. A full lap of the Nordschleife, bypassing the modern GP track, is 20.832 km (12.944 mi) long. Most laps are completed 200 metres (656 ft) shorter for safety reasons. Full uninterrupted flying laps can only be done in closed sessions and race events like Castrol-Haugg-Cup.
Neither the ZR1 nor teh GTR did a full complete lap.

ZR1 has the fastest production car time at the ring.

[Jam]

just cause you buy magnum condoms, doesnt mean you got a big wang.

bahahhahaa

[BigAls87Z28]

I know many people have been very interested in how fast the ZR1 would be at the Ring…

Most car enthusiasts are quite familiar with the Nürburgring. Built in the 1920’s near Cologne, Germany, “the Ring” is considered to be the toughest and most challenging race track in the world.

Over the last two weeks, we have been doing our final tuning and testing there before we start ZR1 production cars. This morning (Friday June 27), General Motors development engineer Jim Mero drove the Corvette ZR1 around the Nürburgring in a time of 7:26.4.

Jim commented after the lap that conditions were good except for a strong headwind down the main straight and that the lap was solid, but he felt there were a few places he could have gone faster.

The car was bone stock with the exception of the communications and safety equipment. The tires were production Michelin Pilot Sport 2’s. These tires have been developed specifically for the ZR1 and will have impressive wet traction and wear (tread wear rating = 220), in addition to excellent dry road holding. Chassis alignment and vehicle height were set to factory specs. Likewise, the engine calibrations were absolutely stock, emissions compliant and the car ran on pump (not racing) fuel. The vehicle was exactly like the cars that will be built in Bowling Green, Kentucky and sold around the world later this summer.

Despite posting one of the fastest times ever run by a production car, Nürburgring lap times were not an over-riding priority in the development of the ZR1. The truth is, if the only priority was speed at the ring, the car would not be very pleasant to drive on American roads. The ZR1 is an incredibly capable track machine, but unlike most ultra-high performance cars, it is very easy to live with on a daily basis.

The timed lap was run with a rolling start, a departure from our previous practice of standing starts. This is more aligned with current industry practice. The lap was electronically timed and confirmed with two hand-held stopwatches. An in-car video will be posted when the engineering team returns from Germany. Look for it the week of July 7!

[qwikz28]

well thats bogus cause thats a portiong of the track they arent taking into account for. thats like qualifying at talladega, and starting the timer at the start finish line and then your time ends in the middle of the tri oval, theres still a lenght of track to go and anything can happen. plus there isnt a difinative place where they start and stop the timer, as you seen the GT-R started in a different place then the ZR-1, so as far as Im concerned, until Nurburgring utilizes a permenant start/ finish timer line, these times dont mean squat to me.

and lead engineer, big whoop, just cause you buy magnum condoms, doesnt mean you got a big wang. jsut cause he played a major role in developiong the car doesnt mean he know how to professionally handle it, ok sure he knows the car to detail, but that doesnt make you faster, that just makes you more knowledgeable. he got squirmy on the track a few times, and a more accurate, indepth time could of been made by a professional driver. the ZR-1 still doesnt impress me. go for the overall track record, and then youll get my attention, until then, meh

lol that was an entertaining read. i believe, and don't quote me on this, you can't speed past the pits in the n-ring. i believe its a safety precaution and its only allowed, as al said, during closed circuit events.

needless to say, the GTR and ZR1 vids were overlayed to start at the same point and in the end with an independant timer (to eliminate any variables in recording speed), the ZR1 was still ahead of the GTR. but i agree with you that i'd like to see the car in the hands of a great driver to really see what the car can do. he was very conservative with teh car while the GTR driver was really going to town on the car

The truth is, if the only priority was speed at the ring, the car would not be very pleasant to drive on American roads. The ZR1 is an incredibly capable track machine, but unlike most ultra-high performance cars, it is very easy to live with on a daily basis.


this is a good point. american roads are crap and i'd rather have a street car then a track car. unfortunately other companies have been using sophisticated suspension systems to allow drivers to adjust their car to the driving condition while Chevy has been employing a universal system that does not allow any adjustment. now, i'm not asking for anything as complicated as BMW's iDrive system, but even Volvo had something to this effect in their old S60R. if chevy is going to sell us a $100k supercar, i'd hope it was at least a little sophisticated.

[BigAls87Z28]

Actually...Jake...the ZR1 uses a Magnerehorical shock system, its very advanced and the fastest reacting suspension in the world.

[sweetbmxrider]

so if a crappy driver can post a time like that, imagine a professional. then imagine yourself as the crappy driver, because you are. eat it and enjoy

[BigAls87Z28]

I wouldnt say he is a crapy driver. 99% of the people on this site would put a 640hp supercharged 3200lb carbon fiber Vette into the wall or into the woods in one of the first turns.
They could have gotten Fellows or Magnusun to drive again. Papis or Pilgram as well.

[jims69camaro]

ZR1 has the fastest production car time at the ring.

this, following the CTS-V at the track, and they had a pretty serious time, too.

maybe its me this guy cant drive 09 vettei don't know how you can say he can't drive, though. that's a bs statement, if you ask me. the guy only 'almost lost it' once, and he still managed to come out of the turn at 65 mph. much faster than i would ever want to go in the twisties.

[79CamaroDiva]

I wouldnt say he is a crapy driver. 99% of the people on this site would put a 640hp supercharged 3200lb carbon fiber Vette into the wall or into the woods in one of the first turns.
They could have gotten Fellows or Magnusun to drive again. Papis or Pilgram as well.

ill drive it, ill beat his time, and ill TRY not to blow it up. ;) but i won't put it in the wall or woods..

[Blacdout96]

ZR1 has the fastest production car time at the ring.

Radical SR8 is the fastest production car at Nurburgring at 6:55 :P

[jims69camaro]

Radical SR8 is the fastest production car at Nurburgring at 6:55 :P

i believe that car was a one of one, not a production car. :mrgreen:

[johnjzjz]

this, following the CTS-V at the track, and they had a pretty serious time, too.

i don't know how you can say he can't drive, though. that's a bs statement, if you ask me. the guy only 'almost lost it' once, and he still managed to come out of the turn at 65 mph. much faster than i would ever want to go in the twisties.

Well i am going to go out on a limb and say this after being the team manager and builder for a road racing team ( motorcycles ) and with in 6 years won 3 national championships and had the opportunity to not only work on but drive a Rolex series car ( porsche ) - the vette was sloppy in the turns and hap hazard in the rpm shifting he also let it free wheel to many times shedding off time and the tires are garbage i dont care what they said about them but again thats just my take having had what opportunity's i have had in the past -- jz

[BigAls87Z28]

Radical SR8 is the fastest production car at Nurburgring at 6:55 :P

Show me the production figures on the SR8.

Nevermind..

http://www.funktionauto.com/images/sr8_large_11.jpg

http://www.radicalsportscars.com/range/sr8/index.php

With over twenty-five cars built and running, the SR8 is now a well-developed, and reliable car.

Yeah...not a production car. Sure, you could buy one...but Id like to see this one go through some crash tests, emissions testing, etc etc....

ZR1 is the King. Suck it.

[BigAls87Z28]

Well i am going to go out on a limb and say this after being the team manager and builder for a road racing team ( motorcycles ) and with in 6 years won 3 national championships and had the opportunity to not only work on but drive a Rolex series car ( porsche ) - the vette was sloppy in the turns and hap hazard in the rpm shifting he also let it free wheel to many times shedding off time and the tires are garbage i dont care what they said about them but again thats just my take having had what opportunity's i have had in the past -- jz

I agree taht someone like Ron Fellows could have done a bit better, these GM engineers have spent enough time over at the ring that they probably know that course like the back of thier hand.

the Pilot Sport 2's are pretty good for a street tire. Sure, we could put on a set of R compound tires like onthe GT-R and run some crazy number, but this was production spec tires on a production car.
Pretty damn good IMO.

[Blacdout96]

Show me the production figures on the SR8.

Nevermind..

http://www.funktionauto.com/images/sr8_large_11.jpg

http://www.radicalsportscars.com/range/sr8/index.php



Yeah...not a production car. Sure, you could buy one...but Id like to see this one go through some crash tests, emissions testing, etc etc....

ZR1 is the King. Suck it.


Uhh, you see that thing on the front of that car, yeah its a lisence plate, this car is street legal in europe and so forth. It doesnt meet U.S. emission standards, but then again, the Caparo isnt either, but that is a street legal car too. The Radical is a production car. where does it say in any rule book there has to be a certain amount made before it is considered a production car, so you suck it. When the FIA announced back in the late 90's that the GT1 class cars had to have at least 1 production street legal car, Toyota GT1 ( TS020), Nissan R390 GT1, Lotus GT1, and Panoz GTR-1 made 1 production car, as far as im concerned, those cars were a production and street legal cars, but more realistically I think at least 2 should be made so its not a 1- off car, and Radical has made 23 more examples of the car then required for me to be considered a street legal production car. The Radical uses 2 hayabusa engines mated together making a 2.6 litre V8. The car doesnt go 205mph like the ZR1, but the son of a bitch can sure handle, and look at the times. When they timed it, it was using street legal tires and such to comply with street legal car class times. Id take that car anyday over the highly overrated ZR1 IMO.

[qwikz28]

actually i believe a certain number of vehicles has to be produced for it to be considered a production car. i forget the number but i'll try googling it now.

[V]

even if the SR8 is a "production car" its not a practical one

[79CamaroDiva]

are you gonna go to get groceries in your sr8? or commute to work? i don't think so.

[Blacdout96]

even if the SR8 is a "production car" its not a practical one

neither is a ZR1, what do you need a vette for when you can go buy a honda.What do you need a 3 second 0-60 and 200+ mph car for? they both get you from point a to point b, but the vette does it in style right? so does a radical, its different, and stylish.

I cant wait for a Caparo T1 to hit that track, it will blow everyone away.

http://www.zinkalo.com/2007/10/fifth-gear-jason-plato-test-drive.html

[79CamaroDiva]

neither is a ZR1, what do you need a vette for when you can go buy a honda.What do you need a 3 second 0-60 and 200+ mph car for? they both get you from point a to point b, but the vette does it in style right? so does a radical, its different, and stylish.

I cant wait for a Caparo T1 to hit that track, it will blow everyone away.

http://www.zinkalo.com/2007/10/fifth-gear-jason-plato-test-drive.html

a zr1 has a passenger seat, a roof, and for those poorly misjudged days, wipers.

[Blacdout96]

are you gonna go to get groceries in your sr8? or commute to work? i don't think so.

yeah, like youd go out and go buy groceries in a ZR1, or go park at the mall and go shopping. I highly doubt anyone on here would do that, anyone with at least half a brain. the car is not for any of us, and the car is morethen 100K, after dealer markups, adn what not, itll be just as much as the Ford GT when it comes out, cause, well remember what happened to the last ZR-1, doubling the price of the standard vette. Ok the ZR1 has things goign for it, but as far as im concerned, thers one thing about it, its stil just a vette, an expensive vette.

and last time I checked, this was an F-body forum, which means Camaro's and Firebirds, why are we hailing the Vette on here. The local Vette clubs around here turn their chins up at you at the sight of your Camaro or Firebird at a car show. They either park in their own area, away from the other cars at teh show, and just recently, they had a carshow at my work to benefit the make a wish foundation, sponsered by some vette club, and they wouldnt allow anything else but a vette in it. who the hell wants to go to a carshow and see 300 examples of hte same damn car? I dont like most vette owners, and yea im sure not all of them are the same, not all are pompus ********, but its like honda owners, they developed a bad name for themselves with me, being rude to the car world, to think their **** dont stink, when the cars only 40K forf a base model, hell some GMC trucks cost moreth en a Vette, so its not some high class, high priced, rarity on the road, just about everyone and their mom could get one. You know theres alot of info coming out of the new Camaro, and yeah we've reported on here about it, but we've drooled over this Vette even more, I just dont see it, maybe its cause I have a broader range in car taste then most on here, but as far as im concerned, the ZR1 sux, its not a world beater, its a vette on steroids, but in the end, all I can say is, its still jsut a vette.

[Blacdout96]

a zr1 has a passenger seat, a roof, and for those poorly misjudged days, wipers.

If you need a roof and wipers, then your not man ( or woman) enough to drive one, we buy sports cars and super cars to get just a little closer to that feelign your driving a race car, well heres the whole dream, so dont dis it. if you cant handle it, then go buy something else, you know there are other cars in the world to choose from then this, but if you feel your up to task for the elements, by all means get one.

Oh and you can order one with a passenger seat, jsut to let ya know ;)

[79CamaroDiva]

If you need a roof and wipers, then your not man ( or woman) enough to drive one, we buy sports cars and super cars to get just a little closer to that feelign your driving a race car, well heres the whole dream, so dont dis it. if you cant handle it, then go buy something else, you know there are other cars in the world to choose from then this, but if you feel your up to task for the elements, by all means get one.

Oh and you can order one with a passenger seat, jsut to let ya know ;)

maybe you buy a sports car to pretend like you have a race car, but not me. i have a race car. i have a race car thats faster than any of that nonsense, just don't ask me to turn. if i'm gonna buy a sports car, i'm going to DRIVE it. If i had 100k to spend on a car, i sure as hell wouldn't treat it like it was the only 100k i was gonna have.

I once told a very good friend of mine who was DYING for a rolex, and came across a "great deal" on one, but couldn't decide if he should get it or not.. i told him "the day that you should be wearing a rolex, you won't care how much it cost"

same thing with these cars. the people who can afford them, price is just a number, and if it was me, i would drive it, and i would drive it hard, and i would probably get stuck out in the rain at some point, because it wouldn't be a garage queen.

EDIT: And btw, unless you know what i've driven, don't tell me what i'm man (or woman) enough to drive. Chances are you wouldn't drive what I have.

[sweetbmxrider]

i have seen a guy buy groceries in a ford gt :shrug: i dont really know what this argument is about, but the SR8 is not a daily driver.

[BigAls87Z28]

SR8 is a no go.

Vette is still part of the GM family. Id rather get behind the ZR1 then some race car with a license plate.
ZR1 can go from civilian mode to super street in less then a second. SR8 looks like a track car.
Could you drive ti every day? Sure. Would you die if anything bigger then a compact car hit you in the side? 90% sure you aint coming out with just some scratches.

ZR1 still wins every single time.

[Blacdout96]

maybe you buy a sports car to pretend like you have a race car, but not me. i have a race car.

Well isnt that swell for you, not everyone's lucky to own a racecar right? nor have the financial backing to support an expensive hobby, and its especially a little easier when your family owns a racetrack to run it on right?


[/QUOTE] i have a race car thats faster than any of that nonsense, just don't ask me to turn. [/QUOTE]

exactly, coming into this topic bout Nurburgring times is comparing apples to oranges, you do your thing, I do mine. Personally I feel drag racing is boring, and too short to enjoy.



[/QUOTE] if i'm gonna buy a sports car, i'm going to DRIVE it. If i had 100k to spend on a car, i sure as hell wouldn't treat it like it was the only 100k i was gonna have. [/QUOTE]


yup im sure, just like some of those Ferrari guys that never see it above 60, when they were in the dealership thinking about having a fast, expensive car, but then they found out the maintinence costs, gas sucking, and not too comfortable to go long distances. most of these ZR1's will never see a drop of rain, or within 50 miles of their garage. and once again, this car will be more then 100K, unless you buy direct form the factory, expect to pay a little more.

[/QUOTE] I once told a very good friend of mine who was DYING for a rolex, and came across a "great deal" on one, but couldn't decide if he should get it or not.. i told him "the day that you should be wearing a rolex, you won't care how much it cost" [/QUOTE]

I'm sure not, but im sure he'll be worrying about scratching it, or getting mugged for it.

[/QUOTE] same thing with these cars. the people who can afford them, price is just a number, and if it was me, i would drive it, and i would drive it hard, and i would probably get stuck out in the rain at some point, because it wouldn't be a garage queen. [/QUOTE]
so where would you be driving it hard "IF" the pricetag and everything was just a number to you? not on the streets right? not form light to light right? not down some back country road where your just gonna let it rip right? cause being SEMA sponser, we dont condone such act's which is why we abide by such strict forum rules here. SO between the time you drag race and work and such, when WOULD you have time to take it to an organized and authorized racetrack, and pay the fee's, and make the necessary repairs to the car after driving it hard.

Ok, all I was saying is that the Radical holds the record, and everyone bit at my throat, stop shedding tears cause im talking bad about the bowtie, it happens, this car will be beaten, and then that car will be, and so on and so forth. both of these cars are not practical in any sense. they are both street legal cars, with style, and well to do performance. So the radical doesnt have a roof, its low, its basically a race car on the road, so the ride isnt easy for the tush, big whoop, fine then if you dont like it, then get a Corvette, but for those who happen to like the Radical, thats their decision. Jesus, what happen to opinions on here, you all act like douche's as soon as someone likes something outside of the GM name. These cars have their strenghts and weaknesses, but all I was sayign is the the Radical, which is road legal, holds the record, end of that.

EDIT: And btw, unless you know what i've driven, don't tell me what i'm man (or woman) enough to drive. Chances are you wouldn't drive what I have. [/QUOTE] Not that I wouldnt or couldnt, but I dont want to. Ill take a Chevron, or a Lola anyday over dragsters, thats my fortei, you like goign straight, have fun, I like taking turns and feeling side G's, I like my funb to last longer then 6 seconds, I like to go through the gears, and then go back down them heel-toeing, and then goign right back throuhg them again.

And the same goes for oyu, unless you know what IV'E driven, dont talk ot me like your hot **** and are superior to me in what we've driven. Ive had my hands on more 6 and 7 figure cars, then you could imagine.

SR8 is a no go.

Vette is still part of the GM family. Id rather get behind the ZR1 then some race car with a license plate.

And i prefer Asian's over white chicks, big deal we all have our prefered tastes.

[/QUOTE] ZR1 can go from civilian mode to super street in less then a second. SR8 looks like a track car. [/QUOTE]

and you dont think thats cool? you'd rather hae a car that people would look at and go, meh another vette, over a car where peopel go WOW, now thats different, and awsome!


[/QUOTE] Could you drive ti every day? Sure. Would you die if anything bigger then a compact car hit you in the side? 90% sure you aint coming out with just some scratches. [/QUOTE]

so you think getting hit in a Semi in a Corvette your just gonna walk away? every car is a hazard. The SR8's chassis is steel tubing, basically a tubular chassis, which is strong and rigid, so it could take a good hit, but I see where your coming from with the height deal, but your also forgetting the Vette doesnt exactly sit like an SUV either, it also is low slung, and your sitting low to the ground. youll get your head ripped off just as easily in a Radical as you would in a Vette in certain situations. You talk like the Vette is a tank driving down the street.



[/QUOTE] ZR1 still wins every single time.[/QUOTE]

if that was the case, wouldnt it be called the ultimate supercar? oh no no wait the greatest car known to mankind that will never lose in any kind of race? no it wouldnt. Once again, the radiacl and the Vette have their strong points, and weak points, but they also share alot in common, so everybody sit back ,chill and admire two cars, that have taken the Nurburgring by storm, to of made records people in 1927 when the track was built, couldnt of ever imagined, that these times were utterly ludicrous if attempted back then?

let me give you guys a little history lesson about what we have accomplished in a little over a century of motor racing. In 1908, Mercedes ( not Mercedes Benz, they didnt come together atthe time) had a Grand Prix Car that had a 4 cylinder, 12.8 litre monster. the car broke many records in its day like at the Brooklands, and such. The car went 100mph, and at the time shocked and awed people. in 1926, to slow down Grand prix cars from reaching "terminal Velocity" they limited the engines to 1.5 litres, they were scared the cars were going so fast at those times.

Today, 100mph can be achieved in a damn shifter kart with just 150cc's and such, we have cars, that can accelerate in times that make hair stand on the back of oyur neck, technology has advanced so far, and yet, instead of us embracing this , we argue, and brag over whos better, who has roof, whos electronic paddle shifting is faster by miliseconds....as far as I can tell, we take this **** for granted, and since most of you are all from New Jersey, I know your all stubborn and these words fall upon deaf ears, so im just gonna say this, and if you really do appreciate understand, and embrace the automotive world liek I do, youll listen and take it to heart. You all are wasting your breath, this stuff will be obsolete in years to come, so enjoy it, embrace it, and appreciate it, cause years to come, we will run out of dinosaurs to run on......

[79CamaroDiva]

Well isnt that swell for you, not everyone's lucky to own a racecar right? nor have the financial backing to support an expensive hobby, and its especially a little easier when your family owns a racetrack to run it on right?


my point is, if you were one of the lucky people in the world who could afford one of these cars, you wouldn't have a hard time building a race car, regardless of strip or road course car.. It'd be a whole lot more practical, cost effective, and fun to build one (or have one built) than have a minimal production car that costs twice what you would spend. A ZR1 is a car to be driven, whether you want to admit it or not.

as for all the other nonsense that you posted, its not even worth typing out a response. If you want me to, I will, till then, i'll get back to making vinyl thats getting handed out tomorrow.

[Blacdout96]

my point is, if you were one of the lucky people in the world who could afford one of these cars, you wouldn't have a hard time building a race car, regardless of strip or road course car.. It'd be a whole lot more practical, cost effective, and fun to build one (or have one built) than have a minimal production car that costs twice what you would spend. A ZR1 is a car to be driven, whether you want to admit it or not.

as for all the other nonsense that you posted, its not even worth typing out a response. If you want me to, I will, till then, i'll get back to making vinyl thats getting handed out tomorrow.

Have fun with that ;)

[qwikz28]

you guys don't watch enough top gear:

converting a race car for street driving is like a hardcore porn video thats been edited for television. all you end up with is video of some sweaty guys face. (paraphrase of Jeremy Clarkson reviewing the Maserati MC12)

yes i understand that was not conducive to teh argument at all, but i thought it was funny.

[johnjzjz]

my point is, if you were one of the lucky people in the world who could afford one of these cars, you wouldn't have a hard time building a race car, regardless of strip or road course car.. It'd be a whole lot more practical, cost effective, and fun to build one (or have one built) than have a minimal production car that costs twice what you would spend. A ZR1 is a car to be driven, whether you want to admit it or not.

as for all the other nonsense that you posted, its not even worth typing out a response. If you want me to, I will, till then, i'll get back to making vinyl thats getting handed out tomorrow.

knowing you as a seasoned driver over the many years and of a variety of racing vehicles the latest being an 8 second snowmobile < 140 something speed ????, like all the other racers you don't get and my guess would not want any special treatment by island -- jz

[sweetbmxrider]

Ive had my hands on more 6 and 7 figure cars, then you could imagine.

could you expand on this? 7 figure production cars or some guys hemi that everyone wants so its a 7 figure car?

[Blacdout96]

you guys don't watch enough top gear:

converting a race car for street driving is like a hardcore porn video thats been edited for television. all you end up with is video of some sweaty guys face. (paraphrase of Jeremy Clarkson reviewing the Maserati MC12)

yes i understand that was not conducive to teh argument at all, but i thought it was funny.

:rofl: :rofl: and funny it was

[Blacdout96]

could you expand on this? 7 figure production cars or some guys hemi that everyone wants so its a 7 figure car?

both. I do work on the side for Rolex's vintage racing, most notably the Monteray Historics, and Lime Rock, and well as a few private collections I've worked on, gathering information, and specs for their cars. ive also had the opportunity to meet great drivers such as:

Parnelli Jones, George Follmer, John Fitch, Derek Bell, Vic Elford, Emerson Fittipaldi, Bobby Rahal, Johnny Rutherford, Al Unser Sr., Bobby Unser . , the late Ove Anderson, Tommy Kendall, and my personal favorite, Caroll Shelby. I met Brian Redman, but didnt get to talk to him that much. we were all staying atthe same hotel, but never found the time to talk to him, and this is all in the last 3 years. I am missing out on meeting with Mario Andretti this year, but I dont know whos gonna be at LimeRock, so I might get lucky and catch him there.

[79CamaroDiva]

knowing you as a seasoned driver over the many years and of a variety of racing vehicles the latest being an 8 second snowmobile < 140 something speed ????, like all the other racers you don't get and my guess would not want any special treatment by island -- jz

you're right john, except the sled is only 10 second sled, ;) i run his slower one.. and no, i don't get any special treatment, if anything its worse being an employee there while trying to race because people hound you constantly while you're trying to focus.