Commonly used incorrect automotive terms

[BonzoHansen]

Why do 4th gen guys continue to call a tail pan a berger panel? Not sure what Berger Chevy has to do with any of this. Berger did not invent black paint on tail panels.

[Knipps]

Why do 4th gen guys continue to call a tail pan a berger panel? Not sure what Berger Chevy has to do with any of this. Berger did not invent black paint on tail panels.

You're really going to try and start that again? :lol:

[BonzoHansen]

You're really going to try and start that again? :lol:

I consider it educating the Camaro owners who don't know Camaro history.

[sweetbmxrider]

:lol: ah geez bonzo

[JL8Jeff]

Silly kids! Don't even know that a blacked out tailpanel is from the old SS396 cars! :laugh: And the factory did not use gloss black, more of a satin black on the tailpanel and rockers I believe. I would just call it a custom tailpanel, and leave Berger out of it. I actually like the CAMARO letters with the inserts myself. I actually have the black tailpanel on my SS396, the Z28 emblem on my 69 Z28 and the CAMARO letters on my 2000 so I've got them all covered. :mrgreen: Your custom tailpanel came out good.

[1994lt1]

Silly kids! Don't even know that a blacked out tailpanel is from the old SS396 cars! :laugh: And the factory did not use gloss black, more of a satin black on the tailpanel and rockers I believe. I would just call it a custom tailpanel, and leave Berger out of it. I actually like the CAMARO letters with the inserts myself. I actually have the black tailpanel on my SS396, the Z28 emblem on my 69 Z28 and the CAMARO letters on my 2000 so I've got them all covered. :mrgreen: Your custom tailpanel came out good.

Yup just a silly kid who has read 4 Camaro books and written 2 school papers on them... But you're right because I dont own a SS 396 I couldnt possibly know right? Well anyway, I installed it today and I must say it looks great. I will get pictures tomorrow.

[Knipps]

yes, take his light hearted comment personally. That's the best thing to do. :rollseye:

[WildBillyT]

Yup just a silly kid who has read 4 Camaro books and written 2 school papers on them... But you're right because I dont own a SS 396 I couldnt possibly know right? Well anyway, I installed it today and I must say it looks great. I will get pictures tomorrow.

You really don't want to go toe to toe with Jeff on Camaro History LOL. He owns two (maybe 3) of the cars that are in those books. And he's right. "Berger panel" is not accurate to Camaro heritage. Or musclcar heritage for that matter. But you didn't coin the term!

Panel looks good though. You did a good job.

[sweetbmxrider]

its like sayin i'm gettin a stall converter. we're wrong and most of us get why. cheese

[WildBillyT]

its like sayin i'm gettin a stall converter. we're wrong and most of us get why. cheese

And yet you still make the mistake.

[sweetbmxrider]

its not a mistake. its easier to refer to it as a berger panel then whatever the hell the real name is. blame gmmg! people call ls1's 350's and i don't know why?

[BonzoHansen]

its not a mistake. its easier to refer to it as a berger panel then whatever the hell the real name is. blame gmmg! people call ls1's 350's and i don't know why?Because a 5.7L was a 350 for, I dunno, 30+ years?

The term is tail panel. You can choose to learn or continue to sound like an idiot.

[ta350]

Because a 5.7L was a 350 for, I dunno, 30+ years?

The term is tail panel. You can choose to learn or continue to sound like an idiot.

Tail Panel is correct... its even in my estimating program with GM part #s lol

[sweetbmxrider]

Because a 5.7L was a 350 for, I dunno, 30+ years?

The term is tail panel. You can choose to learn or continue to sound like an idiot.

because the ls1 is, i dono, 345.7 c.i. :shrug: and i'm the idiot?

so if we call it a berger panel for 30+ years, that makes us correct? :rofl:
so be it!

[LTb1ow]

Repetition makes it true.

[BonzoHansen]

because the ls1 is, i dono, 345.7 c.i. :shrug: and i'm the idiot?

so if we call it a berger panel for 30+ years, that makes us correct? :rofl:
so be it!

GM marketed it as a 5.7, never as a 346 or whatever. Don't be pissed because your wrong.

[sweetbmxrider]

GM marketed it as a 5.7, never as a 346 or whatever. Don't be pissed because your wrong.


gmmg built '02 camaros into Dick Harrell Edition Supercars exclusively for berger chevrolet. these cars have their tail panel painted a flat black with polished stainless camaro inserts. this is where the term came from. deal with it.

because gm marketed their ls1 in metric displacement makes calling it a 350 correct?

[BonzoHansen]

gmmg built '02 camaros into Dick Harrell Edition Supercars exclusively for berger chevrolet. these cars have their tail panel painted a flat black with polished stainless camaro inserts. this is where the term came from. deal with it.

because gm marketed their ls1 in metric displacement makes calling it a 350 correct?

I did not say calling it a 350 was ok. I explained why it was a common MISTAKE.

[sweetbmxrider]

my point still stands with the dick harrell supercars.

[BonzoHansen]

Well, if you buy one then you too can have a 'berger panel'. Otherwise you have a black tail panel.

Although that is still illogical. I guess if Reedman puts their dealer plate/sticker on a tail panel then you'd have a Reedman Panel?

[LTb1ow]

Cameros have corvette engines!




lol

[bad64chevelle]

Well, if you buy one then you too can have a 'berger panel'. Otherwise you have a black tail panel.

Although that is still illogical. I guess if Reedman puts their dealer plate/sticker on a tail panel then you'd have a Reedman Panel?

**** I have a Lucas Tailgate.

The Camaro had a Patterson Panel.

[sweetbmxrider]

yup just like how 1st gen guys make replica yenkos and such i have a replica dick harrell supercar when it comes to tail panels.

[BonzoHansen]

yup just like how 1st gen guys make replica yenkos and such i have a replica dick harrell supercar when it comes to tail panels.

I don't condone cloning....its immoral and against nature...

[LTb1ow]

You guys sound like mustang guy arguing over which body kit is cooler.

[KirkEvil]

The tail panel is commonly called the berger panel because the only time it is talked about is when it is being swapped out for a black panel to mimic the berger cars.

Camaro Law: If the tail panel is to be painted or swapped out for a black panel it can there be acceptably called berger panel.

[sweetbmxrider]

:cheers:

or vinyled!

[KirkEvil]

:cheers:

or vinyled!

The only time its OK to call my vinyl decals "berger panel" is on ebay because people are too dumb to key word search anything else.

[BigAls87Z28]

Yes. 4th genners call it "Berger Pannel" because when Berger Chevy decided to work with GMMG on making some special 4th gens, they painted the tail pannel black to mimic the big block cars.
You could in fact get a large displacement 427 Gen 3 small block, but at a very high price tag from Berger/GMMG.
Most 4th genners dont know further 1993 for Camaro history. Its why they think that SS is greater then Z28.

Here is some other info

http://www.daytonapacecars.com/id16.html

[BonzoHansen]

Camaro Law: If the tail panel is to be painted or swapped out for a black panel it can there be acceptably called berger panel.

If enough 4th gen guys call the moon a star should we all accept it?

Yes. 4th genners call it "Berger Pannel" because when Berger Chevy decided to work with GMMG on making some special 4th gens, they painted the tail pannel black to mimic the big block cars.
You could in fact get a large displacement 427 Gen 3 small block, but at a very high price tag from Berger/GMMG.
Most 4th genners dont know further 1993 for Camaro history. Its why they think that SS is greater then Z28.

Here is some other info

http://www.daytonapacecars.com/id16.html

:nod:

[Knipps]

**** I have a Lucas Tailgate.

The Camaro had a Patterson Panel.

I noticed :lol:

[LTb1ow]

If enough 4th gen guys call the moon a star should we all accept it?



:nod:


Its not?

[BonzoHansen]

**** I have a Lucas Tailgate.

The Camaro had a Patterson Panel.I noticed :lol:

Patterson is out of business. So now it is worth more.

[Mike]

unless a painter at gmmg or berger chevrolet painted your car, you DO NOT have a berger panel.

[LTb1ow]

unless a painter at gmmg or berger chevrolet painted your car, you DO NOT have a berger panel.

I have a canadian panel.

[BonzoHansen]

Jeff has a Canadian 1970 SS with an L78 and a factory black tail pan.

[WildBillyT]

Berger Chevy re-used the blacked out tail panel. They didn't come up with the idea. They wanted to throw back to hi-po cars of yesteryear- like big block first and second gens. They were taking someone else's idea. If you don't own a Berger Camaro, it's merely a blacked out tail panel. And on old muscle, it sure as **** isn't a Berger Panel.

It's really just something that pisses off early gen guys because it ignores the history behind it and it misattributes the idea to somebody who was only involved with implementation. I'll bet that most people with a blacked out tail panel don't even know why Berger did it on their special edition.

[SRGN]

You guys sound like mustang guy arguing over which body kit is cooler.

That reminds me, a ford 302 actually rounds to a 4.9 liter and not a 5.0. ADD > me :rofl:

[79CamaroDiva]

To go further into common mistakes.. A bar is not a cage and a converter is built with a certain amount of stall but is not "a stall".

[cdacda13]

This could have been a very informative thread.

[BonzoHansen]

This could have been a very informative thread.

Still can be.

[JL8Jeff]

Ok, so you're talking about things like the "radio delete" option which isn't actually an option to delete the factory radio but rather just not ordering a radio on the earlier cars. We won't even go into the "heater delete" since in 1969 heaters with defrost became a standard safety requirement but for overseas or cars sold in Hawaii it could be omitted.

[Knipps]

Why does one drive on a parkway and park in a driveway?

[BonzoHansen]

Jeff, more like an M21 is not always a muncie. It's an option code.

[cdacda13]

What a turnaround. I'm impressed.

In third gen world a Z28 does not equal an Iroc Z. I've looked at too many third gens that were mis-advertised as an Iroc Z, but were really just a Z28.
Years 85-87 had the sport coupe, Z28 and Iroc Z and models. Years 88-90 had either base coupe (89 started back up the RS model as the base) or Iroc. After 90, the Z28 returned as top dog and the Iroc was dropped. There's no such thing as a 1992 Iroc.

[JL8Jeff]

Jeff, more like an M21 is not always a muncie. It's an option code.

Actually, you mean M20. M21 is a Muncie, M20 just means a wide ratio 4 speed transmission. If you ordered the close ratio, you got the Muncie M21 or M22 if you paid extra for the HD. The standard wide ratio was the Saginaw with the low horsepower engines and the Muncie M20 with the higher hp engines. My Z28 has an M20 Muncie. I've seen COPO 427 cars with the M20. That also brings up the mistake that COPO means high performance options. It doesn't, is just means a non standard RPO which translates to a Central Office Production Order like taxi cabs or fleet cars/trucks. COPO does not always mean high performance. Just like the X11 code on the 69 Camaro does not always mean the car is an SS like some of the books say. It just means the style trim group. I had a 69 Camaro conv 6 cyl car with the X11 trim tag. I think it was an SS 250! :mrgreen:

And the 69 Camaro Z10 "Pace Car" coupes were not actually a Pace Car package like the Z11 convertibles truly were. That one will rub a lot of people the wrong way, but the Z10 on the trim tag just refers to a non standard paint/strip scheme on the hardtop.

[BonzoHansen]

Actually, you mean M20. M21 is a Muncie, M20 just means a wide ratio 4 speed transmission. If you ordered the close ratio, you got the Muncie M21 or M22 if you paid extra for the HD. The standard wide ratio was the Saginaw with the low horsepower engines and the Muncie M20 with the higher hp engines. My Z28 has an M20 Muncie. I've seen COPO 427 cars with the M20. That also brings up the mistake that COPO means high performance options. It doesn't, is just means a non standard RPO which translates to a Central Office Production Order like taxi cabs or fleet cars/trucks. COPO does not always mean high performance. Just like the X11 code on the 69 Camaro does not always mean the car is an SS like some of the books say. It just means the style trim group. I had a 69 Camaro conv 6 cyl car with the X11 trim tag. I think it was an SS 250! :mrgreen:

Nope, my car came factory with BW ST10. RPO M21 :-P

http://www.nastyz28.com/camaro/camaro77.php#rpo

M21 Transmission, 4-speed close ratio (Z28 only) 5,114

[JL8Jeff]

Bahhh, so we're both wrong, or we're both right. :scratch:

[BonzoHansen]

Bahhh, so we're both wrong, or we're both right. :scratch:

You're wrong unless the conversion is strictly 1st gens, then you may be correct. :lol:

[WildBillyT]

How about RPO L70?

:D

[FIcamaroRE92]

What a turnaround. I'm impressed.

In third gen world a Z28 does not equal an Iroc Z. I've looked at too many third gens that were mis-advertised as an Iroc Z, but were really just a Z28.
Years 85-87 had the sport coupe, Z28 and Iroc Z and models. Years 88-90 had either base coupe (89 started back up the RS model as the base) or Iroc. After 90, the Z28 returned as top dog and the Iroc was dropped. There's no such thing as a 1992 Iroc.

Most 90' IROC's were hard tops too, right?

[bubba428]

I have a black 4th gen with a black tail pannel...can I call it a berger too? :lol:
the thing tha pisses me off most about 4th gen owners and the stupid **** they say...is the whole LS1/350 thing...that and I know like 5 guys with 3rd gens that SWEAR they have 5 speed autos...cause they count the TC lock-up as a gear

[BigAls87Z28]

What a turnaround. I'm impressed.

In third gen world a Z28 does not equal an Iroc Z. I've looked at too many third gens that were mis-advertised as an Iroc Z, but were really just a Z28.
Years 85-87 had the sport coupe, Z28 and Iroc Z and models. Years 88-90 had either base coupe (89 started back up the RS model as the base) or Iroc. After 90, the Z28 returned as top dog and the Iroc was dropped. There's no such thing as a 1992 Iroc.

Ehhhhh
IROC was a top trim Z28 from 85-87 to show the similiarity of the IROC Camaros and the street versions. BUT, you could get a Z28 with just about the same options without going to IROC.
IROC got you Bilstiens, 16 inch wheels, larger sway bars and other chassis reinforcements and a bunch of other options standard.
In 88 to 90, there was no basic Z28 trim. There was the standard sport coupe, the RS, and then the IROC-Z.
Then in 90 when GM lost the rights to the name and no longer participated in IROC, the Z28 regained the top trim.

RS was not the base car, it was an appearance package that got you the IROC/Z28's gfx.

[NastyEllEssWon]

ive always thought the ''tail panel'' was considered a filler panel :shifty:

[bubba428]

only on cars wth an actuall trunk I believe

[cdacda13]

Ehhhhh
IROC was a top trim Z28 from 85-87 to show the similiarity of the IROC Camaros and the street versions. BUT, you could get a Z28 with just about the same options without going to IROC.
IROC got you Bilstiens, 16 inch wheels, larger sway bars and other chassis reinforcements and a bunch of other options standard.
In 88 to 90, there was no basic Z28 trim. There was the standard sport coupe, the RS, and then the IROC-Z.
Then in 90 when GM lost the rights to the name and no longer participated in IROC, the Z28 regained the top trim.

RS was not the base car, it was an appearance package that got you the IROC/Z28's gfx.

I always believed that the RS became the base model starting in 1989? You couldn't get "just" a Camaro. It was either an RS (sporting either V6 {2.8 later 3.2} or a 305 TBI,) or an Iroc, and starting in 1991-1992 a Z28 (with 305 or 350 TPI).
Sorry if my wording is confusing, its late.

[BigAls87Z28]

Im sorry, there was only the RS from 89 to 92.

[HardcoreZ28]

Oh Come On!!! You guys are missing the MOST commonly misused automotive term. MOTOR. The Motor is not that thing under your hood with the pistons, cam, etc. That is an ENGINE. Motor's run off of electricity.

The End

[Kat]

Ehhhhh
IROC was a top trim Z28 from 85-87 to show the similiarity of the IROC Camaros and the street versions. BUT, you could get a Z28 with just about the same options without going to IROC.
IROC got you Bilstiens, 16 inch wheels, larger sway bars and other chassis reinforcements and a bunch of other options standard.
In 88 to 90, there was no basic Z28 trim. There was the standard sport coupe, the RS, and then the IROC-Z.
Then in 90 when GM lost the rights to the name and no longer participated in IROC, the Z28 regained the top trim.

RS was not the base car, it was an appearance package that got you the IROC/Z28's gfx.

Actually 87 was the first year that the RS name was brought back. There were only 600 or so cars made that year as a RS and were only allowed to be ordered in Cali.

FWIW the RPO code for the IROC's 88-90 was Z28 not B4Z... Hrmm

88 was just a "Camaro" as the base model. Also that year the LO3 became the standard engine in the camaro's. Yes even the IROC's.

89 the RS became the base model...

[BonzoHansen]

Oh Come On!!! You guys are missing the MOST commonly misused automotive term. MOTOR. The Motor is not that thing under your hood with the pistons, cam, etc. That is an ENGINE. Motor's run off of electricity.

The End

A starter is a motor. :)

[jims69camaro]

It's really just something that pisses off early gen guys because it ignores the history behind it and it misattributes the idea to somebody who was only involved with implementation. I'll bet that most people with a blacked out tail panel don't even know why Berger did it on their special edition.

i'd bet they don't even care. btw, you hit the nail on the head with this one.

further, humans like things that fit neatly into categories. if it doesn't fit into a category, they get upset and don't know what to call it. this is how "naming" things gets put into play. the whole g-machine thing, for instance, is a way to describe resto-modification of an older car with newer parts. g-machine for the increased ability to pull high g-forces on a circular track built to test such abilities. if there wasn't a name for it, one would have been "invented". hence, why people erroneously call a blacked-out tail panel a berger panel, because someone invented it and the terminology spread. it fits neatly in a category, and it easily explains what a blacked-out tail panel is, because when you say berger panel people immediately envision a blacked-out tail panel.

so the blacked out tail panels on mopars and rustnags are berger panels, too, right? :mrgreen:

[WildBillyT]

so the blacked out tail panels on mopars and rustnags are berger panels, too, right? :mrgreen:

Yeah. So is the one on my Nova.

[HardcoreZ28]

A starter is a motor. :)

Exactly....a starter runs off electricity. Just like a wiper motor, headlight motor, blower motor, etc. Wonder if we can call the new electric water pumps motors?? haha

[BonzoHansen]

Exactly....a starter runs off electricity. Just like a wiper motor, headlight motor, blower motor, etc. Wonder if we can call the new electric water pumps motors?? haha

The motor drives the impeller!

Now is it an alternator or a generator? :scratch:

[jims69camaro]

Actually 87 was the first year that the RS name was brought back. There were only 600 or so cars made that year as a RS and were only allowed to be ordered in Cali.

FWIW the RPO code for the IROC's 88-90 was Z28 not B4Z... Hrmm

88 was just a "Camaro" as the base model. Also that year the LO3 became the standard engine in the camaro's. Yes even the IROC's.

89 the RS became the base model...

don't forget that the LT was still available in '87.

btw, you made me pull out my books. 2.8 V6 available in sport coupe and LT models. while the 5-speed manual was the "standard" transmission, it was automatically upgraded to the 4-speed auto when the V8 was put in the car. something about the rear not being able to handle the torque from the 350/5speed combo or some other such non-sense.

so in '87 there were 4 models, the sport coupe, LT, Z-28 and IROC Z, plus the California only RS model. i only ordered the factory assembly manuals for the '69 and '87, since at that time i was only interested in those years. i really could have used a '91-'92, since that is what the '87 car will look like in the end. i was hoping to pull it off so that the VIN would be the only way to tell it wasn't a '91-'92, but without the manual i might not hit all of the exterior points that need to be addressed.

factory assembly manuals were available free from MSX International, ATTN: GM Chevy Resto, 1426 Pacific Dr., Auburn Hills, MI 48326, but i don't know if the company is still sending them out for free or not.

if jeff is the go-to-guy for first gens, Kat is the go-to-guy for third gens...

[LTb1ow]

The motor drives the impeller!

Now is it an alternator or a generator? :scratch:

Same thing, same output.

[SRGN]

Oh Come On!!! You guys are missing the MOST commonly misused automotive term. MOTOR. The Motor is not that thing under your hood with the pistons, cam, etc. That is an ENGINE. Motor's run off of electricity.

The End

Don't put any "Motor Oil" in your engine and see how long it lasts:rofl: Sorry, I couldn't resist...

[sweetbmxrider]

4th gens with berger panels have nothing to do with the 60s muscle cars. it came from the dick harrell supercars that gmmg built for berger chevrolet. unless you can find me a 4th gen camaro that had a berger panel before the dick harrell cars were built and they referred to it as a berger panel, you are simply misinterpreting the term.

[Pampered-Z]

Oh Come On!!! You guys are missing the MOST commonly misused automotive term. MOTOR. The Motor is not that thing under your hood with the pistons, cam, etc. That is an ENGINE. Motor's run off of electricity.

The End

YES! I'm not the only anal person around here that twitches every time someone says motor when they mean ENGINE!!!!!

And I always thought if the "Berger panel" was gloss black it had a 30/30 cam, and if it was flat black it had a 3/4 cam? And for the record, the 15/16 cam was never a factory option.

[BonzoHansen]

4th gens with berger panels have nothing to do with the 60s muscle cars. it came from the dick harrell supercars that gmmg built for berger chevrolet. unless you can find me a 4th gen camaro that had a berger panel before the dick harrell cars were built and they referred to it as a berger panel, you are simply misinterpreting the term.Yes it does. It has everything to do with it. Yes, we all understand gmmg brought back the black tail panel, and thus the term 'berger panel'. But the whole concept was an obvious nod to the old big block cars.

I agree with the sentiment that if you do have one of those gmmg cars i suppose you can call them berger panels (is that what GMMG called them??).

[sweetbmxrider]

Yes it does. It has everything to do with it. Yes, we all understand gmmg brought back the black tail panel, and thus the term 'berger panel'. But the whole concept was an obvious nod to the old big block cars.

I agree with the sentiment that if you do have one of those gmmg cars i suppose you can call them berger panels (is that what GMMG called them??).

it is a nod back to the big block cars and no, gmmg called them black tail panels :lol:

i'm stubborn and i heart my berger panel

[BonzoHansen]

it is a nod back to the big block cars and no, gmmg called them black tail panels :lol:

i'm stubborn and i heart my berger panel

If GMMG does not call them berger panels and they "invented" it then there is no such thing!!!!!

[sweetbmxrider]

hog wash! they didn't know what they made!!!!

[BigAls87Z28]

GMMG didnt call it a Berger pannel, the clueless 4th genners collectively gave it that name due to the fact that Berger cars had this black out pannel that was in fact something that GMMG/Berger put on thier 4th gens to pay homage to the big block muscle Chevy's of the future.

So Cliffs?
4th genners dont know thier history
Old people want the young people to understand history
4th genners are ignorant

Thirdgens come factory with "Berger" pannels.

[91chevywt]

The tail panel on my '79 between my tail lights is flat black, :idea: I'm going to call it a berger panel from now on since thats the cool thing to do.:shrug:



:bbq: Burger Panel?

Also, it extremely bothers me when someone calls a straight 6 a V6, and vice versa. It makes me want to punch a baby.

[NastyEllEssWon]

1. Something, such as a machine or an engine, that produces or imparts motion.
2. A device that converts any form of energy into mechanical energy, especially an internal-combustion engine or an arrangement of coils and magnets that converts electric current into mechanical power.
3. A motor vehicle, especially an automobile:



the deffinition has been modified for modern terms. you old people need to get your noses out the air and realize that if GMMG made the panel for the berger modified camaros then it can be called a berger panel. its not like theyre calling it a ss396 panel. theyre getting their definition from a MODERN DAY DEALER MODIFICATION that gets it as a nod toward the old school tail panels. its easier than saying OLD SCHOOL BLACKED OUT TAIL PANEL RECALLING THE OLD BIG BLOCK BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.


i know its commonly called brake fluid and transmission fluid but i have a habit of calling them all oil. brake oil. trans oil. rear oil. its a habit.

[BigAls87Z28]

Berger copied the style of the blacked out pannels of big block cars.
There is no other way around it. You can continue to call it Berger pannel since you are trying to mimic the design of thier blacked out pannel that was in fact derived from the blacked out tail pannels on Chevy big block SS cars.

[Knipps]

GMMG didnt call it a Berger pannel, the clueless 4th genners collectively gave it that name due to the fact that Berger cars had this black out pannel that was in fact something that GMMG/Berger put on thier 4th gens to pay homage to the big block muscle Chevy's of the future.

So Cliffs?
4th genners dont know thier history
Old people want the young people to understand history
4th genners are ignorant

Thirdgens come factory with "Berger" pannels.

Call me ignorant all you want but I know you can't pay homage to the future. :moon:

[sweetbmxrider]

its a 4th gen camaro thing, you old dudes just don't understand.

it is much easier to say berger panel instead of blacked out tail panel and people know exactly what you are talking about then. it is proper terminology because berger chevy sold these cars exclusively, plus our panel goes under our tail lights. it is nothing like a 1st gen.

[WildBillyT]

its a 4th gen camaro thing, you old dudes just don't understand.

it is much easier to say berger panel instead of blacked out tail panel and people know exactly what you are talking about then. it is proper terminology because berger chevy sold these cars exclusively, plus our panel goes under our tail lights. it is nothing like a 1st gen.

That part of your car is a tail panel. It is ridiculous to call it anything else. What would you call it if it wasn't blacked out? You would still call that part of the car a "Berger Panel"? And by that logic, it shouldn't be an SS hood on the SS- it should be an SLP hood?

[Knipps]

That part of your car is a tail panel. It is ridiculous to call it anything else. What would you call it if it wasn't blacked out? You would still call that part of the car a "Berger Panel"? And by that logic, it shouldn't be an SS hood on the SS- it should be an SLP hood?

But then we'd have to call milk cow-juice!

[BonzoHansen]

its a 4th gen camaro thing, you old dudes just don't understand.

it is much easier to say berger panel instead of blacked out tail panel and people know exactly what you are talking about then. it is proper terminology because berger chevy sold these cars exclusively, plus our panel goes under our tail lights. it is nothing like a 1st gen.

Perhaps there is the crux of the issue. You are saying young people are too lazy to learn or use the correct terminology? Is that your argument? Great. Society FTL. I wonder if that same young dude gets pissy when a guy with a first gen stops talking to them because they sound so stupid?

"plus our panel goes under our tail lights" – What? In both my cars the tail panel goes under the lights, and in fact goes all the way around the 67 lights.

The space between the tail lights is the tail panel, regardless of construction method. My 77 and 67 certainly both have tail panels. You just can’t unbolt them.

[HardcoreZ28]

1. Something, such as a machine or an engine, that produces or imparts motion.
2. A device that converts any form of energy into mechanical energy, especially an internal-combustion engine or an arrangement of coils and magnets that converts electric current into mechanical power.
3. A motor vehicle, especially an automobile:



the deffinition has been modified for modern terms. you old people need to get your noses out the air and realize that if GMMG made the panel for the berger modified camaros then it can be called a berger panel. its not like theyre calling it a ss396 panel. theyre getting their definition from a MODERN DAY DEALER MODIFICATION that gets it as a nod toward the old school tail panels. its easier than saying OLD SCHOOL BLACKED OUT TAIL PANEL RECALLING THE OLD BIG BLOCK BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.


i know its commonly called brake fluid and transmission fluid but i have a habit of calling them all oil. brake oil. trans oil. rear oil. its a habit.


HAHAHA come on....I know I'm engaged and have a house and a job but when the hell did I somehow slip into the "old guy" category? I'm only 27 for God's sake!

Oh and don't forget about your blinker oil ;-)

[FIcamaroRE92]

GMMG didnt call it a Berger pannel, the clueless 4th genners collectively gave it that name due to the fact that Berger cars had this black out pannel that was in fact something that GMMG/Berger put on thier 4th gens to pay homage to the big block muscle Chevy's of the future.

So Cliffs?
4th genners dont know thier history
Old people want the young people to understand history
4th genners are ignorant

Thirdgens come factory with "Berger" pannels.

how so?, do you mean the black part between the tail lights and before the license plate?

[sweetbmxrider]

exactly :nod: enjoy what is left of social security btw

tell ya what, i'll start calling it a dick harrell panel. argue that.

[Knipps]

exactly :nod: enjoy what is left of social security btw

tell ya what, i'll start calling it a dick harrell panel. argue that.

Couldn't we trim that to Dick panel? :rofl:

[BonzoHansen]

the deffinition has been modified for modern terms. you old people need to get your noses out the air and realize that if GMMG made the panel for the berger modified camaros then it can be called a berger panel. its not like theyre calling it a ss396 panel. theyre getting their definition from a MODERN DAY DEALER MODIFICATION that gets it as a nod toward the old school tail panels. its easier than saying OLD SCHOOL BLACKED OUT TAIL PANEL RECALLING THE OLD BIG BLOCK BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

*We determined GMMG did not in fact use the term Berger Panel. So if they don't why do you?

*Idiots do call non-4th gen, and even non-black 4th gen, tail panels 'berger panels' I've heard both.

[sweetbmxrider]

sure!

i am actually going to set a new goal of acquiring one of the blacked out tail panels from a dick harrell supercar and throw it on mine. therefor i will be correct always :nod:

maybe i can send mine to gmmg and have them do one personally? would that suffice? i'll have to go through berger chevy though. road trip! or phone call :lol:

[WildBillyT]

HAHAHA come on....I know I'm engaged and have a house and a job but when the hell did I somehow slip into the "old guy" category? I'm only 27 for God's sake!

Oh and don't forget about your blinker oil ;-)

Paul, that reminds me. I want to get my walker powder coated. What type of turnaround can I expect on that? And does Spohn make polyeurethane walker feet? The tennis balls are flexing too much when I'm cornering hard.

[sweetbmxrider]

:rofl::rofl: ahahhaha

[HardcoreZ28]

Paul, that reminds me. I want to get my walker powder coated. What type of turnaround can I expect on that? And does Spohn make polyeurethane walker feet? The tennis balls are flexing too much when I'm cornering hard.

The additional weight of the powdercoat would make it too difficult for you to continue walking with it due to the breakdown of your now feeble old body. I would suggest a titanium unit instead...with solid feet. You're also not as quick as you used to be so cornering g's should be kept to a minimum.

[Mike]

*We determined GMMG did not in fact use the term Berger Panel. So if they don't why do you?

*Idiots do call non-4th gen, and even non-black 4th gen, tail panels 'berger panels' I've heard both.

there are tail panels in the classifieds of this forum and ls1 tech in many colors, listed in the ads as "berger panels"

sure!

i am actually going to set a new goal of acquiring one of the blacked out tail panels from a dick Harrell supercar and throw it on mine. therefor i will be correct always :nod:

maybe i can send mine to gmmg and have them do one personally? would that suffice? i'll have to go through Berger Chevy though. road trip! or phone call :lol:

its been mentioned several times in this thread, dick Harrell and Berger Chevrolet didn't call the parts Berger panels, so you would still be incorrect

[PolarBear]

Jeff has a Canadian 1970 SS with an L78 and a factory black tail pan.
Uhh but the whole car is black so does that really count?
Now is it an alternator or a generator? :scratch:
Generator produces DC and outputs DC. Alternator produces AC and outputs DC so all modern cars have an alternator because it is more efficient to produce AC than DC then it is to produce DC and regulate it

i know its commonly called brake fluid and transmission fluid but i have a habit of calling them all oil. brake oil. trans oil. rear oil. its a habit.

It is all an oil derivitive so technically it is still oil

[BonzoHansen]

The additional weight of the powdercoat would make it too difficult for you to continue walking with it due to the breakdown of your now feeble old body. I would suggest a titanium unit instead...with solid feet. You're also not as quick as you used to be so cornering g's should be kept to a minimum.

He needs a titanium one from Forgeline. It uses delrin bushings and special no-bind links..

[LTb1ow]

Uhh but the whole car is black so does that really count?

Generator produces DC and outputs DC. Alternator produces AC and outputs DC so all modern cars have an alternator because it is more efficient to produce AC than DC then it is to produce DC and regulate it


It is all an oil derivitive so technically it is still oil


Any rotating device used to make electricity will make AC. Aside from solar panels and battery.

[BonzoHansen]

Any rotating device used to make electricity will make AC. Aside from solar panels and battery.Spinning solar panels and battery? AAAHAHHHHH! It's a twister! LOL

[PolarBear]

Any rotating device used to make electricity will make AC. Aside from solar panels and battery.

WRONG! it depends on how the armature is set up. Hence a generator makes DC. It is all about efficiency. That is why we have AC into the house rather than DC while most electric devices, excluding MOTORS (can be set up for either), utulize DC. Voltage drop of DC over AC is tremendous. It is more efficient to re-convert it back to required usage. And an electric motor can be made to PRODUCE current but only the same type as it is made to use.

:google: :hammer:

[LTb1ow]

Nope. Any rotating device will make alternating current. You can change it to DC through commuters and brushes but it will still be alternating current. You need coils to smooth it out to get more usable DC.

[PolarBear]

Nope. Any rotating device will make alternating current. You can change it to DC through commuters and brushes but it will still be alternating current. You need coils to smooth it out to get more usable DC.

Although technically you are correct you still fail, when you cross a piece of wire through a magnetic field you induce a voltage. one side will have a positive and one will have a negative. When you only utulize one pole of the field you only get one potential out of it. You must use the north and south pole to get both potentials. So if you use a generator and get half a sine wave out of it that isnt alternating, it has to cross that plane into the other side. Whether or not you smooth out that potential voltage into a steady voltage or not is irrelevant.
Also you use capacitors to smooth out voltage, diodes to change AC to DC, and commuters are people who travel from place of residence to work or full time study :wink:

:google:

[sweetbmxrider]

there are tail panels in the classifieds of this forum and ls1 tech in many colors, listed in the ads as "berger panels"



its been mentioned several times in this thread, dick Harrell and Berger Chevrolet didn't call the parts Berger panels, so you would still be incorrect

ya i know i said it. but if i get a tail panel blacked out by berger chevy, i can call it just that. hell i'll find a painter who's name is berger and have him paint my ****! W!N

[Featherburner]

ya i know i said it. but if i get a tail panel blacked out by berger chevy, i can call it just that. hell i'll find a painter who's name is berger and have him paint my ****! W!N

Can I call mine a Kirkevil panel then?

Why don't you guys just call it a "Me too" panel? :moon:

[BigAls87Z28]

From here on out, it will be known as the Ignorant Pannel.

[LTb1ow]

From here on out, it will be known as the Ignorant Pannel.

Does that encompass bad spelling too?

[BigAls87Z28]

If you misspell it as Burger, yes.

[Knipps]

From here on out, it will be known as the Ignorant Pannel.
Is that an homage to the future as well?

[BigAls87Z28]

Is that an homage to the future as well?

For thoes who continue to refer to the pannel as a "berger", yes.

GM will offer a blacked out tail pannel. So if you do call it a Berger pannel, you should be kicked in the balls.

[LTb1ow]

Kinda on topic, why were 4th gens made in canada?

[bubba428]

because thats where the plant that GM used starting in 86 I believe...the one in ohio was shut down so all F-body production moved to canada...my 86 was a made in the USA F-body

[cdacda13]

because thats where the plant that GM used starting in 86 I believe...the one in ohio was shut down so all F-body production moved to canada...my 86 was a made in the USA F-body

Actually, all third gens were assembled in either Ohio or California. The Ohio plant shut down in 87.
Since California had tougher air regulations, the paint used in the paint there was water based. So that's why any 3rd gen made in California tends to have paint fade.

[BigAls87Z28]

There was a deal struck in 87 to build the 4th gen in one of GM's most high tech, most flexible plants at the time, Ste.Therese since both Norwood was shut down in 87, and Van Nyes was being closed as well...I belive.

They could built all the cars in one plant, and the CAW gave GM a better deal then the UAW.
Canada will continue to build Camaro, only at GM's highest volume plant in North America. And they will only be building 100k cars a year in a plant that could pump out a half a million cars easily. Thats almost as bad as the Solstice/Sky/Opel GT/s2x production in Willmington where they make about 40k units in a plant designed for over 350k units.

[NJSPEEDER]

Actually, all third gens were assembled in either Ohio or California. The Ohio plant shut down in 87.
Since California had tougher air regulations, the paint used in the paint there was water based. So that's why any 3rd gen made in California tends to have paint fade.

The Ohio plant closed first, forget exactly when, and then Van Nuys, CA finished up production with the final car off the line being a red Z28 in 1992.

BTT, the Caliber/Caliper thing always bothers me when people say it. It is BRAKE CALIPER NOT CALIBER!!! lol

[cdacda13]

The Ohio plant closed first, forget exactly when, and then Van Nuys, CA finished up production with the final car off the line being a red Z28 in 1992.

BTT, the Caliber/Caliper thing always bothers me when people say it. It is BRAKE CALIPER NOT CALIBER!!! lol

Courtesy of Wiki-
Citing its obsolescence, expense, and high worker absentee rate, GM announced the closing of the Norwood plant and ten other GM facilities on November 6, 1986. The Norwood facility produced its last vehicle August 26, 1987 - a Chevrolet Camaro. At the time of its closing the plant employed approximately 4200 workers. That date came to be known in Norwood as "Black Wednesday".
On the Van Nuys plant
Van Nuys Assembly was a General Motors automobile factory in Van Nuys, California. Opened as a Chevrolet plant in 1947, Van Nuys produced the Chevrolet Corvair, Chevrolet Nova, Chevrolet Camaro, and Pontiac Firebird. The plant was closed in 1992 when Camaro/Firebird production was moved to Saint Therese Assembly in Quebec.

So, all fourth gens are Canadian, and thus inferior to third gens.

[Pampered-Z]

HAHAHA come on....I know I'm engaged and have a house and a job but when the hell did I somehow slip into the "old guy" category? I'm only 27 for God's sake!

Oh and don't forget about your blinker oil ;-)

27, you're still a Damn KID! :-P

[HardcoreZ28]

27, you're still a Damn KID! :-P


I'll take that as a compliment!

[Pampered-Z]

I'll take that as a compliment!

Yes, you haven't reached SlideRule status!

Although Bonzo is proabably an ENIAC

[NastyEllEssWon]

yeah i never heard anyone reference a berger panel to any other car but a 4th gen. so your argument is moot.



haha yeah i hate the CALIBER/CALIPER thing too.


Camaro/Camero
Beretta/Baretta

those things annoy me too.

[deadtrend1]

I really hate "DUEL" cats or "DUEL" exhaust.

I mean, how can DUAL exhaust work properly, if the two pipes are battling with each other under the car?

[WildBillyT]

One more:

Apprently Vic Edelbrock still hasn't done enough for the auto industry to be a well known figure. I hear about Eldebrock, and Elderbrock probably more than I do the actual spelling.

[BonzoHansen]

..stay somewhere w/i topic please...

[BigAls87Z28]

You son of a bitch! I was right in the middle of editing it!!


ANYWAY
I hate when people refer to brake pads as "brake linings". I think im selling you brakes for a 32 Ford or something...

[LTb1ow]

Oh ok!
Got one!

When your talking to ford or import guys, and they always refer to is as "head and cams" Ford would be "heads and cams"

Ugh.

[BonzoHansen]

You son of a bitch! I was right in the middle of editing it!!


ANYWAY
I hate when people refer to brake pads as "brake linings". I think im selling you brakes for a 32 Ford or something...

Ever get an old guy asking for 'pucks'?

[BigAls87Z28]

Ahaha...I laugh at them.
But you remind them that you swapped one cam and gained 35hp, they swapped 2 and gained 20.
And to make matters worse...you then tell them that they still own a Mustang

[BigAls87Z28]

Ever get an old guy asking for 'pucks'?

No, but when i was young, an old guy asked me for some donuts. I directed him to Double D's.

[LTb1ow]

When people look at you really strangely when you describe points and setting dwell.

[BigAls87Z28]

HEI FTMFW!!

The best is when I try to tell people about thier check engine lights. Ohhhhhh maaaaaaan, they give me this crazy look like "all I want you to do is fix it"
Then I tell them to buy a lot of parts or GTFO and go to a shop.

[sweetbmxrider]

take the bulb out. duh! cheaper, electrical tape over that spot :rofl:

[SRGN]

How about people not understanding that there was an LT1 before 1992...

[Knipps]

How about people not understanding that there was an LT1 before 1992...

there was an LT-1 but not LT1 ;)

[NastyEllEssWon]

yup from early 70s to early 90s there was no lt motors

[BigAls87Z28]

yup from early 70s to early 90s there was no lt motors

LT5 DOHC 350 in the ZR1 in 89.

[NastyEllEssWon]

oh yeah forgot about that one.

[NJ Torque]

How about people not understanding that there was an LT1 before 1992...

Also LS6...

[BigAls87Z28]

When will we get the L69 back!!!

[NJ Torque]

When will we get the L69 back!!!


I unfortunitly have one in my garage I pulled from my monte. :nod:

[91chevywt]

The term "dizzy" used in place of distributor bothers me to no end. :nono:

I know theres many on here that use that term, sorry to offend you. But it sounds like something someone from london should say.
"Oi! Did you check the dizzy cap under your bonnet, mate? Is it getting petrol?"

[NastyEllEssWon]

calling nitrous NOS

[WildBillyT]

Also LS6...

And LS-1.

[BonzoHansen]

The term "dizzy" used in place of distributor bothers me to no end. :nono:

I know theres many on here that use that term, sorry to offend you. But it sounds like something someone from london should say.
"Oi! Did you check the dizzy cap under your bonnet, mate? Is it getting petrol?"Or calling a transmission an A4 or an M6. Did that notation come from video games?

[PolarBear]

Or calling a transmission an A4 or an M6.

I thought the M6 had something to do with the order or something to do with the build sheet? T56 comes from Tremec (now it does anyway instead of Borg Werner) right?

[Tsar]

Or calling a transmission an A4 or an M6. Did that notation come from video games?
what's so wrong about "Auto"4 or "Manual"6?

[BonzoHansen]

what's so wrong about "Auto"4 or "Manual"6?

It doesn't describe the trans, just the #of gears. Is it a 700R4, a 4L60, a 4L60E? Which 6 speed is it, there are a number of configurations and gear sets. It's honestly more annoying when people look for tech help or info on retrofits.

And I hate lazy-ass shorthand. :lol:

[PolarBear]

And I hate lazy-ass shorthand. :lol:

Well by that standard you should also hate "LS1 T56" or similar. People should be putting part numbers for the transmission especially when they are not selling the item but only describing it in a post about what configuration his/her car has so we know what gears it has in the case too :rollseye:
Jackass :wink: I am going to hold you to this standard now :nod:

[Tsar]

It doesn't describe the trans, just the #of gears. Is it a 700R4, a 4L60, a 4L60E? Which 6 speed is it, there are a number of configurations and gear sets. It's honestly more annoying when people look for tech help or info on retrofits.

And I hate lazy-ass shorthand. :lol:
Well I can see it in that case, I guess I didn't think of that. I was thinking if I said I had an M6 in my car, it is more likely than not that you would know what transmission I'm talking about.

But I guess if the car is unknown than your point is valid.

[WildBillyT]

Well I can see it in that case, I guess I didn't think of that. I was thinking if I said I had an M6 in my car, it is more likely than not that you would know what transmission I'm talking about.

But I guess if the car is unknown than your point is valid.

Yeah, but A4 is pretty generic, as is M5...

BTW-

MM6 is the RPO for the six speed I believe.

[PolarBear]

MM6 is the RPO for the six speed I believe.

Yeah thats it thanks

[BonzoHansen]

Yeah, but A4 is pretty generic, as is M5...

BTW-

MM6 is the RPO for the six speed I believe.
All of them?

[Pampered-Z]

I'm too Lazy to type 2 Ms.

[PolarBear]

Yeah even the corvette uses MM6

[BonzoHansen]

Even the early ones with the different gear set?

[WildBillyT]

All of them?

No. In the 94+ F-body. 93 got RPO M29. Isuzu trucks got M51. ML6 and ML9 were the ZF 6 spd.

However MM6 and M29 transmissions are close enough to make that a wash. I'd guess that M51, ML6, and ML9 swaps into F-bodies are pretty rare.

[BonzoHansen]

No. In the 94+ F-body. 93 got RPO M29. Isuzu trucks got M51. ML6 and ML9 were the ZF 6 spd.

However MM6 and M29 transmissions are close enough to make that a wash. I'd guess that M51, ML6, and ML9 swaps into F-bodies are pretty rare.

IIRC the gear differences are great enough impact rear gear selection. Thus my complaint regarding tech help.

[WildBillyT]

IIRC the gear differences are great enough impact rear gear selection. Thus my complaint regarding tech help.

Good point. I didn't think of that.

[Pampered-Z]

Actually there were 2 performance options on the 93 f-bodies:

PEG1 = M28, 2:73 gears ( 235 wide none Z rated tires, 120 Speed-o, speed limiter as well ( 112-117MPH?)

PEG2 = M29, 3:23s, 245s - Z tires and 150 speed-o, no limiter.

94+ all used the same trans but you could option different rear gear ratios.

[Knipps]

Not car related but people talking about calculations and they say "times 100%" well times 100% does not give you the same as if you were to multiply by 100 and use it as a percent.. :banghead:

[NastyEllEssWon]

talk about anal. fine we can shove it back to the older generations as well.


i hate when people call the trans/driveshaft tunnel a CAT HUMP.



it just seems like the older guys hate 4th gens and their newfangled monikers.


btw 94+ a4 are all 4l60....93 and before were 700r4's.

[91chevywt]

talk about anal. fine we can shove it back to the older generations as well.


i hate when people call the trans/driveshaft tunnel a CAT HUMP.



it just seems like the older guys hate 4th gens and their newfangled monikers.


btw 94+ a4 are all 4l60....93 and before were 700r4's.


Those crazy fourth gens with their fuel injection and overdrive and good emissions and good fuel mileage and features...who would want that

[WildBillyT]

talk about anal. fine we can shove it back to the older generations as well.


i hate when people call the trans/driveshaft tunnel a CAT HUMP.



it just seems like the older guys hate 4th gens and their newfangled monikers.


btw 94+ a4 are all 4l60....93 and before were 700r4's.

Who calls it a cat hump? And 94+A4s are 4L60-Es I believe.

[91chevywt]

I always thought a 4L60=700r4, while a 4L60-E was the electronic version. I know the non-electric 4 speed OD in my truck is referred to as a 4L60 (manual) and I thought the term was interchangable with 700r4. I know 4=4 speeds, L=longitude as in RWD trans, 60 is the torque-handling rating, and E=Electronically controlled

[jims69camaro]

I always thought a 4L60=700r4, while a 4L60-E was the electronic version. I know the non-electric 4 speed OD in my truck is referred to as a 4L60 (manual) and I thought the term was interchangable with 700r4. I know 4=4 speeds, L=longitude as in RWD trans, 60 is the torque-handling rating, and E=Electronically controlled

this is correct info. thereafter, a computer was added and they added the E on the end for electronic-controlled. i would prefer a non-computer controlled model, since i've never had a problem with them. add in a computer and all of a sudden i need a laptop to interface with my car instead of a screwdriver. it's not that we hate modern cars, it's just that we got used to the old fashioned way of interfacing with them. change can be good, but people will always balk at it.

there is a lot of hair splitting going on in this thread. just thought i'd throw that in. :mrgreen:

[WildBillyT]

I always thought a 4L60=700r4, while a 4L60-E was the electronic version. I know the non-electric 4 speed OD in my truck is referred to as a 4L60 (manual) and I thought the term was interchangable with 700r4. I know 4=4 speeds, L=longitude as in RWD trans, 60 is the torque-handling rating, and E=Electronically controlled

You are exactly right. The TH350 can be called the 3L60 and the TH400 can be the 3L80 as well.

[NastyEllEssWon]

meh i meant 4l60 as a generic term....didnt know i had to go full on and bust out the E on there. i know the non electrical one as the 700r4

[BigAls87Z28]

GM just changed the terminology that's all.

[BonzoHansen]

You are exactly right. The TH350 can be called the 3L60 and the TH400 can be the 3L80 as well.

I don't think GM ever called them that. All my GM books say TH350, etc. How would you differentiate the TH350C? :lol:

Those crazy fourth gens with their fuel injection and overdrive and good emissions and good fuel mileage and features...who would want thatA lot of guys do. I have a t56 in my Z and plan a still TBD LS style engine & overdrive auto trans in my 67.

talk about anal. fine we can shove it back to the older generations as well. The day I get it "shoved back" by an uneducated pot smoking woe-is-me-the-police-are-mean-to-me **** up I'll call you. One can chose to communicate effectively or like a raving dumbass. We all know you've chosen the latter.

[LTb1ow]

Sweet :)

[Mike]

:ban::owned:

[BigAls87Z28]

talk about anal. fine we can shove it back to the older generations as well.


i hate when people call the trans/driveshaft tunnel a CAT HUMP.



it just seems like the older guys hate 4th gens and their newfangled monikers.


btw 94+ a4 are all 4l60....93 and before were 700r4's.


Cat hump does not refer to the trans/driveshaft tunnel. It refers to the hump just fore of the passanger seat that was put there from the large cats of the 80's. It would have cost GM 100-200 million dollars to retool the floorpans to remove the hump for late model third gens and 4th gens when it was no longer needed. The number is a rough est. from Scott Settlemire.

[LTb1ow]

I knew it. Trans hump, lol

[Mike]

Cat hump does not refer to the trans/drive shaft tunnel. It refers to the hump just fore of the passenger seat that was put there from the large cats of the 80's. It would have cost GM 100-200 million dollars to retool the floor pans to remove the hump for late model third gens and 4th gens when it was no longer needed. The number is a rough est. from Scott Settlemire.

DING DING ...... car would have had to go through all the crash testing standards all over again due to changing the floor of a uni body

[Mike]

maybe he is referring to lady lumps?

[sweetbmxrider]

:rofl: bonzo!

[WildBillyT]

I don't think GM ever called them that. All my GM books say TH350, etc. How would you differentiate the TH350C? :lol:

A lot of guys do. I have a t56 in my Z and plan a still TBD LS style engine & overdrive auto trans in my 67.

The day I get it "shoved back" by an uneducated pot smoking woe-is-me-the-police-are-mean-to-me **** up I'll call you. One can chose to communicate effectively or like a raving dumbass. We all know you've chosen the latter.

Didn't say it was right. Notice I said CAN be called...

[91chevywt]

A lot of guys do. I have a t56 in my Z and plan a still TBD LS style engine & overdrive auto trans in my 67.


Lol I was being facetious...I'm swapping an LT1 and 700r4 into my '79.

[baddest434]

The day I get it "shoved back" by an uneducated pot smoking woe-is-me-the-police-are-mean-to-me **** up I'll call you. One can chose to communicate effectively or like a raving dumbass. We all know you've chosen the latter.

nice :rofl:

[PolarBear]

Did anyone mention "rim" as in look at deez new rimz that I got on my car when they are actually referring to the wheel?

[79CamaroDiva]

Did anyone mention "rim" as in look at deez new rimz that I got on my car when they are actually referring to the wheel?

Nobody mentioned it but that's one thing that really grinds my gears

[BigAls87Z28]

Did anyone mention "rim" as in look at deez new rimz that I got on my car when they are actually referring to the wheel?

Rims, wheels, whatever. I have had people refer to them as the "tire". They are the same people that tend to think that we replace the wheel and tire when they had thier tires changed...yeah.

Nobody mentioned it but that's one thing that really grinds my gears


http://lh5.ggpht.com/diarmuidosullivan/R7Bt1FF8u3I/AAAAAAAAAp4/VabRiBuFN4s/what-grinds-my-gears.jpg

[HardcoreZ28]

I knew it. Trans hump, lol

Actually trans tunnel is the only way I've ever heard it....but hey.....whatever hahah

What about people who refer to their serpentine belt as a timing belt?? Yeah....I've come across that more than a few times.

[NJ Torque]

You guys have cadilliac tires?

[SRGN]

You guys have cadilliac tires?

No, just a Cadillac Converter :rofl:

[jims69camaro]

lt1-ls1 swaps into anything means you have a corvette motor in your car...
but what really messes with me is that people will actually use the corvette motor cover in their swap. irked is not even the beginning of how i feel.

[WildBillyT]

lt1-ls1 swaps into anything means you have a corvette motor in your car...
but what really messes with me is that people will actually use the corvette motor cover in their swap. irked is not even the beginning of how i feel.

Well, it's really a derivative of a Camaro motor. NOW I'm splitting hairs. :rofl:

[Featherburner]

Struts do not = coilovers but people interchange the terms freely and it bothers the sh*# out of me. :banghead:

[The_Bishop]

I have a huge problem with people calling a torque converter a 'stall'. Drives me nuts.

That has probably been covered already, though.

[jims69camaro]

I have a huge problem with people calling a torque converter a 'stall'. Drives me nuts.

That has probably been covered already, though.

yeah it was.

if they use a number with the term, it's ok, as in "6000 stall" converter. then it makes sense. if it's stock it's a torque converter.

[jims69camaro]

Well, it's really a derivative of a Camaro motor. NOW I'm splitting hairs. :rofl:

i guess my point was that if it comes out of a corvette, then it's a corvette motor. otherwise, it's a GM crate motor with a corvette motor cover on it (unless you got it out of a camaro or a GTO or an SS truck). they do make the motor cover in other styles, and i guess these days you could get one to say what ever you want, like "LS1" or something that makes sense.

another thing that irks me is the word trick. there actually is a company that calls itself trick flow, so to say "get a set of trick heads" to me means to go to that company, but that is not what the user means. or a set of trick wheels. using trick like that has absolutely no meaning whatsoever, and for me it just makes the user seem retarded. the best part, though, is when i see it in a magazine. that's when i let my subscription lapse. :mrgreen:

there are others that i agree with. others irk me to some degree, still others that i don't even think about when they are used as stated. i am still waiting for someone to bring back "common sense"...

[deadtrend1]

Or calling a transmission an A4 or an M6. Did that notation come from video games?

Meh!

[jims69camaro]

Struts do not = coilovers but people interchange the terms freely and it bothers the sh*# out of me. :banghead:

these two are so far apart in function and physical appearance that i would have to swat someone upside their head if they confused them.

[Syzygy]

Oh Come On!!! You guys are missing the MOST commonly misused automotive term. MOTOR. The Motor is not that thing under your hood with the pistons, cam, etc. That is an ENGINE. Motor's run off of electricity.

The End
Well, you're just wrong. It is indeed a motor. (I guess partially right, as some motors DO run on electricity.)
An engine changes thermal energy into mechanical energy Ex. steam, combustion...etc.
A motor changes ANY energy to mechanical energy Ex. electricity, combustion...etc.

Almost like how a rectangle is a square, but a square is not a rectangle. ;)

I hate people who say V(amount of cylinders here) for any engine, As in "My brand new, kick ass, awesome, super sweet Camry has a V4!!"

[79CamaroDiva]

Well, you're just wrong. It is indeed a motor. (I guess partially right, as some motors DO run on electricity.)
An engine changes thermal energy into mechanical energy Ex. steam, combustion...etc.
A motor changes ANY energy to mechanical energy Ex. electricity, combustion...etc.

Almost like how a rectangle is a square, but a square is not a rectangle. ;)

I hate people who say V(amount of cylinders here) for any engine, As in "My brand new, kick ass, awesome, super sweet Camry has a V4!!"

you got that backwards... all squares are indeed rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares ;)

[Teds89IROC]

The day I get it "shoved back" by an uneducated pot smoking woe-is-me-the-police-are-mean-to-me **** up I'll call you. One can chose to communicate effectively or like a raving dumbass. We all know you've chosen the latter.


ahaha :rofl: :lol:


I can't stand when people refer to wheels as rims

[deadtrend1]

did anyone say "CETA Panel" yet when referring to the rear lower valiance?

[Syzygy]

you got that backwards... all squares are indeed rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares ;)

Yeah, got mixed up between all right angles and all sides same length. In any case, the analogy fits.

[bubba428]

did anyone say "CETA Panel" yet when referring to the rear lower valiance?

o god with the panels again

[Tru2Chevy]

did anyone say "CETA Panel" yet when referring to the rear lower valiance?

AFAIK that's actually a somewhat correct term though, is it not? Don't remember that being done before....

- Justin

[jims69camaro]

another "berger" panel...


http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i98/mcmlxix/2010%20Camaro/DSC06470.jpg

[BonzoHansen]

No, that is a lower decklid ;)

And it don't look to good to me, the area is too small.

[jims69camaro]

No, that is a lower decklid ;)

And it don't look to good to me, the area is too small.

"berger" lower decklid?

[Knipps]

make the chrome parts surrounding the taillights black too and it might look better.
(btw, a decal? lame.)

[jims69camaro]

make the chrome parts surrounding the taillights black too and it might look better.
(btw, a decal? lame.)

yeah, i was thinking that, too. i saw a 3M applied 'clear' front bra that was like a decal, and i have to say if it is like that 3M piece and applied in a like manner, it actually will be stronger than paint. and removable, too.