Some help with value of a jeep

[B4C]

Someone wants to trade me an 89 Cherokee 110k it's lifted on 33's pushbar on oversize bumper, heavy duty roof rack, light bar front and rear, lights all over, really clean interior, paint is starting to fade but the floors are solid has typical rocker rust. He wants my 74 and $300 i like the truck but it has some bumpsteer I didn't like that. What's it worth?? He Asking $4k outright.

[r0nin89]

That truck is worth $2500 tops. All those modifications deduct from the trucks value.

Considering the fact that you can snag decent cherokees all over for real cheap $1000-2000 I would try to talk the guy down. Bump steer can be fixed btw. Probably needs a drop pitman arm to correct draglink angle or something similarly cheap.

Some info on your car would help.

O and PS the cherokee is the bastard step child of the offroading world. Unibody and offroading dont mix well. And as an FYI your pushing the front axle to its very limits with 33s. Plus if its got a 35 rear it junk. Often times ditched for 8.8s and dana 44s

[B4C]

There cheap but I'm not a hardcore off roader just cruise around wharton I just can't seem to move this damn car so I can get something better to dd

[B4C]

Guy wants to trade this jeep for my camaro, it has 31's on it no 33's like I thought
http://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/1450499390.html

[r0nin89]

That rack is ridiculous. I say no way unless he wants to start offering you a couple bucks. Lets put it this way. Its got no money in lift, a 2in lift is spacers and blocks. As I said the rack looks like ass, the bumpers arent anything special, and the tires arent even in the expensive range, not to mention they're ATs which arent anything special off road.

Idk I could see a truck like that being worth a value that high if it were say built to the 9's but the sad fact of selling modified vehicles is that is reduces value.

How much are you asking for your car and how much is it worth? IMO that guy should be offering you money in that trade. At the bone hes offering you an 89 jeep with a 110k mile drivetrain and a clean interior? As I said $2000 truck. Bumpers and 31in ATs with a spacer lift isnt worth $2000.

[79T/A]

Ronin's got it right. Not a good deal.

[BigRocsFirebird]

that roof rack is huge and ugly but that's just me. i wouldn't trade for that

[maroman88]

nooooo deallllll

[chemicalstylez]

No way. Those things are a dime a dozen. If anything like the previous poster said, YOU should be getting cash on the deal. Either way i would never do such a deal.

[B4C]

I told him I didn't have the $300 cuz I had some college bills to pay and he said he wasn't interested. I found some cheaper ones jeepsunlimited.com

[r0nin89]

I told him I didn't have the $300 cuz I had some college bills to pay and he said he wasn't interested. I found some cheaper ones jeepsunlimited.com

Clearly he owes someone $300 and was just trying to come out whole and with a different vehicle.

[Tru2Chevy]

Yea, no way is that truck worth $4k.

2" lift and 31s? Hope it's bumpstopped very well, otherwise those fenders will be getting 3 square meals of tire per day. Solid floors are certainly a plus, but I've seen 97-99 XJs with similar mileage and mods for for what he's asking.

- Justin

[Squirrel]

my xj runs low 16's bone stock... its pretty sweet

[B4C]

Yea, no way is that truck worth $4k.

2" lift and 31s? Hope it's bumpstopped very well, otherwise those fenders will be getting 3 square meals of tire per day. Solid floors are certainly a plus, but I've seen 97-99 XJs with similar mileage and mods for for what he's asking.

- Justin

Yeah after alittle searching Ive found some too I prefer the 97+ anyway. The bumpsteer on that truck was horrible!

[gotmudnj]

go with the newer model anyways thats older as you can tell by interior and body newer ones much better imo. I owned a 2000 cherokee and now have a 04 wrangler and lifted a few cherokees myself. Newer body style is so much nicer lifted and all compared to that style. For the one guy who said that jeep sucks offroad you must be misstaken for something else. I never had a problem with mine. I actually would rather that than most others. Its one of the most common things to lift and wheel being its so easy..No problems here with any of the ones i worked on. two of my friends have cherokees that i lifted and no problems with them.

[r0nin89]

go with the newer model anyways thats older as you can tell by interior and body newer ones much better imo. I owned a 2000 cherokee and now have a 04 wrangler and lifted a few cherokees myself. Newer body style is so much nicer lifted and all compared to that style. For the one guy who said that jeep sucks offroad you must be misstaken for something else. I never had a problem with mine. I actually would rather that than most others. Its one of the most common things to lift and wheel being its so easy..No problems here with any of the ones i worked on. two of my friends have cherokees that i lifted and no problems with them.

Ok if your referring to this comment

"O and PS the cherokee is the bastard step child of the offroading world. Unibody and offroading dont mix well. And as an FYI your pushing the front axle to its very limits with 33s. Plus if its got a 35 rear it junk. Often times ditched for 8.8s and dana 44s"

Please dont take offense to this but your above statement is a completely generalized and typical "jeeper" statement. You cant rate an overall brands ability to be turned into an offroading vehicle simply because "you did a few lifts on them and they've turned out fine". Thats like saying well my LS1 is fast with a few mods so I guess my Cavalier will be fast with the same mods too.

The fact is Cherokees are unibody. If you thought it was bad for racing its 100x worse for offroading. Yes they have solid motor/trans/tcase combos in them. Yes the dana 30 front is good for what it is and yes the dana 44 or 8-1/4 that some came with are good strong units.

In the end they get beat up and bent up way easier than a full framed rig and they are a pain in the ass to install proper pull/recovery points from.



O and as far as newer models, why? Other than rust and interior factors? The newer models have unibearing front axles which are terrible for offroading.

[gotmudnj]

newer models as for the jeep cherokees from 97-2001 that model style is much better. And to compare your ls1 to your cavalier makes no sense as if your taking about your motor to that motor it wouldnt be same but as for most jeeps they use the same motor you would know that if you where into jeeps. most are 4.0l i6 except for the newest jeeps wranglers and others that use 3.8l v6. so if we go back to motor to mote doing the same from one jeep to another its the same. and if you cant find hook points to be easy to get to as for installing them i beg to differ. so if you install a bumped that has tow points its hard to install a bumper your saying or a hitch. or even if you stayed stock its easy to get to if you use pelican hooks to connect to the jeep.

[r0nin89]

newer models as for the jeep cherokees from 97-2001 that model style is much better. And to compare your ls1 to your cavalier makes no sense as if your taking about your motor to that motor it wouldnt be same but as for most jeeps they use the same motor you would know that if you where into jeeps. most are 4.0l i6 except for the newest jeeps wranglers and others that use 3.8l v6. so if we go back to motor to mote doing the same from one jeep to another its the same. and if you cant find hook points to be easy to get to as for installing them i beg to differ. so if you install a bumped that has tow points its hard to install a bumper your saying or a hitch. or even if you stayed stock its easy to get to if you use pelican hooks to connect to the jeep.


SWOOSH

There is goes, did you see it?


Yeah right over your head.

"Metaphor - speech in which an expression is used to refer to something that it does not literally denote in order to suggest a similarity"

[gotmudnj]

And your metaphor makes no sense but you can think that

[r0nin89]

And your metaphor makes no sense but you can think that

No I beg to differ. Your just dumb, and a typical jeeper.

[gotmudnj]

im just dumb what would that make you. For a person to know cars to compare to totally different classes of cars. You sir should just quit now.

[r0nin89]

im just dumb what would that make you. For a person to know cars to compare to totally different classes of cars. You sir should just quit now.

Like I just said your just dumb. You completely missed the point of my post and have no idea what your even arguing over now.

Ewww jeeps are awesome they all lift so well. Theres nothing wrong with them offroad at all no matter what jeep we're talking about. THAT was the point of my generalization about LS1s and cavaliers just like you generalized about ALL jeeps being good. Obviously you couldnt see that so like I said your dumb.

The metaphor had nothing to do with motors at all it was about brand generalization.

So as I said you dont even know what your arguing over.

Btw, way to take 2 days to come up with the rebuttal that what I said makes no sense. If you cant come up with a valid arrangement about the subject then just stop now because A) your wrong and B) your the typical jeeper that thinks that their the holy grail of offroad vehicles.

Unless your gonna start talking facts and specs to support what your claiming then go play in some 6in muddy puddles with the rest of your kind.

[87GTA]

im just dumb what would that make you. For a person to know cars to compare to totally different classes of cars. You sir should just quit now.

where is justin in all this!!!!

[r0nin89]

where is justin in all this!!!!

Idk maybe hes letting one go for once since this guys an absolute dult.

[Tru2Chevy]

where is justin in all this!!!!

Me?

I'm not taking sides. For the offroading that I do, my daily driver Cherokee serves me well, and I have no complaints. If I was looking to spend my summers in Moab, or look for the biggest mud pits I could find, I would likely not be using a Cherokee (at least not without some fairly extensive mods).

Although I have seen a few Cherokees that would take either of those scenarios on without trouble.

- Justin

[gotmudnj]

The thing is he should learn about a car before stating thing that is not true calling it the bastard child. I would understand if you called a liberty one for trying to offroad and all but for you staing its horrible in certain aspects shows you know nothing about cherokees or jeeps in any matter.

[gotmudnj]

And if you wants specs thats no problem then when you try and compare you cavaliar n ls1 what specs you workin off that. And as for bein late with a response i have a life outside arguing with people that dont know anything about other cars besides theirs.

[Tru2Chevy]

I would understand if you called a liberty one for trying to offroad

WTF? Liberties are badass!

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg234/ohv_kj/005-2.jpg

- Justin

[LTb1ow]

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg234/ohv_kj/Uwharrie196-1.jpg

Pretty sweet yo.

[gotmudnj]

i brought liberties wheeling with me and they all blew there engines flowing
me. 3.8 v6 not a big torch monster. If alterded right then yes they have potential. Their motors are weak compared to the 4.0 l i6.

[Tru2Chevy]

i brought liberties wheeling with me and they all blew there engines flowing
me. 3.8 v6 not a big torch monster. If alterded right then yes they have potential. Their motors are weak compared to the 4.0 l i6.

KJs have the crappy Chrysler 3.7v6, not the better 3.8 minivan v6 like the new JKs and WKs have.

4.0 I6 is still FTW, although the new 3.6 direct injection v6 is gonna be badass.

- Justin

[gotmudnj]

I just hope they come out wit an improvement to the jeep that will keep it alive. The motor chamge was not and the axles i have yet to hear anything good. Only thing that keeps jeep is rubicon. Thats only new kind i would get.

[B4C]

WTF? Liberties are badass!

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg234/ohv_kj/005-2.jpg

- Justin

Yeaqh they are pretty bad ass!!! I sold the camaro yesterday so Im going to look at a 02 cherokee wiht a 6.5in lift tomorrow and see how low the guy will go hes asking 2800! The car looks dorky cuz it has little tires on it but Ill change that. I think Ill be fine with a cherokee for off road it would mostly see wharton and winslow wildlife management

[r0nin89]

And if you wants specs thats no problem then when you try and compare you cavaliar n ls1 what specs you workin off that. And as for bein late with a response i have a life outside arguing with people that dont know anything about other cars besides theirs.

Wow even after explaining it you still dont get what I was trying to say. Does anyone else understand the point I was making by comparing a generalization of Chevrolets with his generalization with Jeeps?

And yeah and not once did I say that cherokees were terrible and unoffroadable. I simple said that they are a double edged sword with the unibody. And if we wanna get on the subject of what can be taken on moab with extensive mods then dont count anything out.

That Liberty is a beast because it has running gear from a 30 year old pickup truck underneath it. The pictured liberty doesnt have anywhere near a stock suspension, nor front or rear axle.

And you still havent given any specs other than 4.0s are beasts and hard to kill. I never said they werent, infact if you'd read and understand rather than skimming you'd see I paid homage to the drivetrain.

You know all this started because you cant admit that uni-body is a negative offroad and that later unibearing front axles are weaker than the old style full hub conical bearing types. Your picking a fight you cant win, simply because your wrong.

Please tell me if you even know any of the following terms.
Droop, compression, 3 link, 4 link, bump stops, CV driveshaft, 1330 vs 1350 u joints, full clip vs half clip u joints, DOM, crossover steering, high steer, hydrolic assist, pinion brake, frame boxing, full carrier locker vs lunchbox, leaf under vs leaf over.

Those are all things that someone that considers them selves "versed" in offroading and modification should know for the most part. Something tells me all you know if "o boy I slapped a badass superlift lift kit on my badass jeep" it must be 20x trail rated what it was stock now!!!

[Iroc-z86]

:popcorn: lol this thread is funny. I love when people try to argue about things they dont know anything about :)


btw saying a Jeep is great off road isnt a 'typical jeeper saying' its been proven to excel off road without modifications as well as with them. so sorry dude your beat.

[r0nin89]

:popcorn: lol this thread is funny. I love when people try to argue about things they dont know anything about :)


btw saying a Jeep is great off road isnt a 'typical jeeper saying' its been proven to excel off road without modifications as well as with them. so sorry dude your beat.

O here we go another one that thinks all jeeps are gods gift to the offroad world.

Please if you can explain to me how I dont know what I'm talking about in a constructive, proven statement I will stop. Until then I think I'll carry on seeing as how I seem to be the only person involved in this argument whos made any points beyond "no your wrong!" and "jeeps are just flat out great what are you talking about"

And for the love of god I NEVER SAID THERE WERENT JEEPS THAT ARE GREAT OFF ROAD. The ****ing point is that you cant bunch ALL jeeps together and say they are ALL great off road. They are ALL different ****ing vehicles hens the argument and saying its a typical jeeper statement. Christ on a ****ing cross. This was the point of my Cavalier vs Ls1 car comparison. Saying theyd both be fast with the same mods because they are both chevys is the same thing as saying ALL Jeeps are great offroad because they are Jeeps. Its a retarded generalization and I thought that bringing it into racing perspective would help make my argument clearer.

Jeep does now ****ing equal wrangler god damn it. Wrangler is the proven jeep that does great offroad stock and is the only model that Jeep (whos a company btw not a ****ing model) produces with any intent for offroading.

Trail rated is a gimmick. 4wd IFS is for a snowy roads not a trail. Thats what the rest of Jeeps models have and thats why said pictured liberty has extensive modifications, to swap in the style of front axle that a Wrangler comes with from the factory.

Btw heres a list of vehicles that tote more impressive offroading specs than a wrangler.

Dodge power wagon - Front and rear lockers, winch, 33s or 35s from the factory

Hummer h3 - Rear selectable locker, 4:1 transfer case, solid skid plates, multiple pull points, downside of IFS but so goes the market now a days.

New suzuki pickup they came out with totes all of the above specs of the hummer h3.

[r0nin89]

yes I know nothing about offroading. Sorry I didnt use a jeep as a base for my trail truck.

http://vid794.photobucket.com/albums/yy227/r0nin89/th_SDC11928.jpg (http://s794.photobucket.com/albums/yy227/r0nin89/?action=view&current=SDC11928.flv)

4" not cheap ass lift company bought lift.
52in front spring swap
56in rear spring swap with shackle flip
Lockers front and rear
DOM crossover steering and tie rod
Relocated blazer gas tank
Chromoly axle shafts with needle-less solid super joints.
Inboarded rear shocks
Towered front shocks

I'm so sorry my truck isnt a new pretty jeep. I probably would been better off with a commander or a new grand cherokee. :rofl:

O and 36in TSLs for reference size to said rocks.

[91chevywt]

SO, back on topic, I see the car is sold, did you get it? or find something else?

[gotmudnj]

For the list you provided only really stated three vehicles. And for a person thats says he knows alot about offroad then why rag on a jeep based upon what you believe is not worth something to own. And then u put this truck up and states first thing 4 inch no cheap lift. Most lifts arent cheap buddy so whats your point on that. My 3 inch wasnt cheap so do i have to state that about
mine to make myself look cooler like you?

[r0nin89]

For the list you provided only really stated three vehicles. And for a person thats says he knows alot about offroad then why rag on a jeep based upon what you believe is not worth something to own. And then u put this truck up and states first thing 4 inch no cheap lift. Most lifts arent cheap buddy so whats your point on that. My 3 inch wasnt cheap so do i have to state that about
mine to make myself look cooler like you?

Your really still not getting the point?

Look I'm gonna calmly say this one last time.

My point is that you are wrong in saying that ALL jeeps are awesome for offroading. All jeeps are not awesome for offroading, Wranglers and more specifically rubicons are awesome for offroading. Cherokees had their nice run but have their limits due to the unibody.

My point in the list is that there are other vehicles out there just as qualified as Wranglers.

And the comment about the lift was in rebuttle to how you said you've lifted a few jeeps and they've all turned out fine. Boxed company lift kits dont mean squat about a truck ability to offroad. Theres a huge difference between a junky skyjacker or procomp lift and a badass pre fabbed custom longarm kit from Rustys. That all I'm saying.

[gotmudnj]

For. One thing i never said all jeeps are to offroad if you go back i said i wouldnt take the liberty. I agree with you on their is other vehicles out there that are qualified. Thats one thing we agree on but you got to take into consideration on what type of offroading your looking to do thats where it changes.

[B4C]

SO, back on topic, I see the car is sold, did you get it? or find something else?

Na I didnt get that jeep. I went to look at another one today heres the link.
He said he would take 2200 if I got it out of there by the 28th but it needs shocks, brake lines, pitman arm and track bar installed the parts are new but need to be installed.
http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/cto/1461401857.html

[r0nin89]

Na I didnt get that jeep. I went to look at another one today heres the link.
He said he would take 2200 if I got it out of there by the 28th but it needs shocks, brake lines, pitman arm and track bar installed the parts are new but need to be installed.
http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/cto/1461401857.html

There ya go. That Tom woods SYE and High angle shaft are some coin.

Plus its a bit newer. I'd say offer him 2500 and throw some nice 32x10s on it.

[Tru2Chevy]

$2200 isn't bad for that setup. I wouldn't bother with it in NJ though - Cherokees are limited to either 7" or 9" of total lift, and once you slap a set of tires on that XJ, you are gonna be real close to (or over) the limit.

There ya go. That Tom woods SYE and High angle shaft are some coin.

Plus its a bit newer. I'd say offer him 2500 and throw some nice 32x10s on it.

Tom Woods stuff certainly will run you some coin, but from what I've seen it's only so-so quality. And 32s with a 6.5" lift? 35s would barely fill the wheel wells at that height.

- Justin

[r0nin89]

$2200 isn't bad for that setup. I wouldn't bother with it in NJ though - Cherokees are limited to either 7" or 9" of total lift, and once you slap a set of tires on that XJ, you are gonna be real close to (or over) the limit.

- Justin

I thought the lift and tire size where different sections? Last time I took my rig for inspection is was based on Suspension lift and tire size. I never was told anything about overall lift.

[B4C]

I would run it thru inspection with the dinky wheels and tires on it, and I might even end up flipping and trying to make a buck. If I keep it Ill leve the small wheels and tires on it cuz its gonna be my dd, and they would be better with gas.

[gotmudnj]

Hat jeeps worth it i was goin get my driveshaftfrom tom woods. Great company and it
seems lift he installed is correct and right. Thats one of the nicest jeeps for that price ive seen. Im lookin pick up another too and iF i had the cash i would.

[Tru2Chevy]

I thought the lift and tire size where different sections? Last time I took my rig for inspection is was based on Suspension lift and tire size. I never was told anything about overall lift.

Nope, they should mark total lift over stock and tire size. Overall lift allowed is based on GVWR.

Great page that lays out NJ Lift Laws in laymans terms, with links to the actual NJ administrative code: http://home.comcast.net/~kayaker121/NJLiftLaws.html

I would run it thru inspection with the dinky wheels and tires on it, and I might even end up flipping and trying to make a buck. If I keep it Ill leve the small wheels and tires on it cuz its gonna be my dd, and they would be better with gas.

That's still tall enough that you would have to be tilt tested, and they mark your total lift and tire size on the paper work, so if you swapped to small tires for inspection, and ran larger tires otherwise, your inspection would be invalid. Can't say I would expect many officers on the street to watch for this though.

- Justin

[B4C]

Yeah looks like its too tall maybe trade for a smaller lift? I might go look at this tj too needs a head gasket he said he would take 3200
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/1470716487.html

[91chevywt]

May not be too bad of a deal at 3200 if the rest of it is in nice shape. Just be careful theres not other issues that could show as a bad head gasket. Might be to your advantage to try and get it as low as you can based on that

[B4C]

May not be too bad of a deal at 3200 if the rest of it is in nice shape. Just be careful theres not other issues that could show as a bad head gasket. Might be to your advantage to try and get it as low as you can based on that

Im going to look at it tomorrow and see if he'll take 2800