2011 Mustang GT: 5.0 is Back!

[BigAls87Z28]

Mustang GT will come with a DOHC VVT 5.0 making 412hp and about 380ftlbs of torque.
check out Jalkopnik.com or Edmunds's Insideline.com

Edmunds is reporting that the GT will come in at 3750lbs though.

[BurninrubberGT]

uh oh


are they going up in price also?

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

New Camaro has trouble brewing

[BigAls87Z28]

Bet your ass.
No pricing has been released, but price wise it will be just a few ticks off a Camaro SS or Charger RT.
29,999 for base GT
32,450 for GT luxury.

[DaSkinnyGuy]

the almighty 4.94L is back

[98tadriver]

the mustang is going to have a 5.0 VTECH motor!?

[procamaroz28]

vvt? like the cts's????

anyways sounds nice def. want one!!!

[BigAls87Z28]

Variable Valve Timing is something that is pretty common on OHC engines, and now on OHV engines.

[SteveR]

3750? wow, the new muscle cars (Challenger, Camaro, and Mustang) are only a few ticks under a fully prepped Crown Vic P-71 @3906 :lol:

The DOHC is a nice design, but damn is it expensive to do a cams swap on them.

The real advantage the Mustang had over its competitors was it's price and weight. Looks like both are going bye-bye.

[thunder]

with the new V6 they had to give the V8 more power. otherwise the V8 would be kinda pointless

[LS1Hawk]

The real advantage the Mustang had over its competitors was it's price and weight. Looks like both are going bye-bye.

Just what I was thinking :nod:

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Yup that will be my next car...

[sweetbmxrider]

what does it look like?

[qwikz28]

I think Edmunds is wrong. The current Mustang is in the vicinity of 34xx#. I doubt that a new motor would bring up that figure by 300#. If its true, then it lost every advantage it had over the Camaro in driving dynamics. That would be a serious shame.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

The S197's were heavier then the sn95's/new edge's and still faster by leaps and bounds...I cant see the addition of the 5.0 making it much heavier. Guess well just have to wait until it comes out. The extra 100 hp will certainly help.

[Foosh]

It will help alot, up until recently Mustangs have been fairly slow compared to the competition. And i truely love the 5.0's my buddy had a white procharged 93 gt with a full roadcourse suspension and may not have had much striaght line traction but cornered better then any car i've driven. It had welded sfc, and a full kenny brown coilover suspension kit.

[Slow-V6]

I believe there is a 6 speed tranny also which weighs more and they might go Independent rear on it also!! Also there are 2 more cams which adds 20 or so more lbs and more valves and valve springs. When it comes down to it I can see were the extra weight comes from. Still a Ugly car with very cheap parts. I do not miss either of my Mustangs.

[BigRocsFirebird]

i was reading about this around 3 months ago. pretty sweet

[LTb1ow]

Will ford continue to make stock 5.0s with skinnies and slicks?

[GP99GT]

Will ford continue to make stock 5.0s with skinnies and slicks?

cant forget cowl hoods and flowmasters

[BigAls87Z28]

There is no IRS for the Mustang planned untill the next platform.

The 3750 is now apparently a joke of soem sort? Current car is around 3600lbs, so its not that odd to figure it would be 100lbs heaver with a lot more HD parts.
The Mustang's chassis was designed to take no more then 350hp without moddification, hence why the GT500 has a lot more chassis band-aids that help the car stay together.
Mustang does have the 6spd auto and manual trans, as well as several other up to date features.

[Foosh]

Why is every one doing IRS??? i mean i get it for track but overall, its more expensive and has a considerable amount of things that can go bad.

[BigAls87Z28]

Its evolution of cars. IRS offers much better poise and agility, not to mention helps on packaging a vehicle.
IRS isnt just for track, but for ride, comfort, and steering and control ususaly feels better with IRS. You also increase the envelope on what the car can do.
The Mustang GT with track package has shown what you can do to maximized a solid axle set up, but it suffers tons over bumps in the road. The Camaro and Challenger have much better ride as well as better performance. While the Mustang's steering is better, the Camaro SS tends to get better reviews as far as its poise on the track, vs the Mustang.
Mustang will deffinatly turn up the pony car wars, something we havent seen since 87 when the fbodies saw the return of the 350.

[Foosh]

Yeah i understand... kinda sad, like seeing trucks go from SFA to IFS

[SteveR]

There is no IRS for the Mustang planned untill the next platform.

The 3750 is now apparently a joke of soem sort? Current car is around 3600lbs, so its not that odd to figure it would be 100lbs heaver with a lot more HD parts.
The Mustang's chassis was designed to take no more then 350hp without moddification, hence why the GT500 has a lot more chassis band-aids that help the car stay together.
Mustang does have the 6spd auto and manual trans, as well as several other up to date features.

I'm sure the motor alone will be like 150# more. Twice as many cams and the heads are a lot bigger too. I'm not sure what Ford did with the 2010 Mustang, but the 2008 was around 3400#. 3750 for a sports car is a bit high considering my comparison before was that a fully police prepped Crown Vic with the light bars, push bumper, sirens, cage, radios, and everything else is 3906#. The civilainized P-71 is around 3750.

I really like a lot of the new technology manufacturers are coming up with for new cars, but damn is it going to be really expensive to mod these cars. I mean, with IRS, just ask any Vette guy how much it cost to put a decent rear in there. Then the DOHC motor is a LOT for a simple cam swap. You're looking at like $5k for the rear, and another $3k for the cam swap.

[BigAls87Z28]

You cant compare the price of an IRS on a Corvette to the one on a Camaro.
Camaro's IRS set up is designed around a much more affordable set up when compared to the Corvette.

[SteveR]

I'm just thinking about aftermarket and what the cost will be to put one in there that can handle more hp.

[BigAls87Z28]

The rear should be good till 600hp. Holden doesnt do it half-assed.

[Frosty]

I hated the IRS in my C5...

[Tru2Chevy]

I hated the IRS in my C5...

We know you did Sparky ;)

- Justin

[Frosty]

lol, that was the traction control. ;)

[SteveR]

I couldn't find anything on Edmonds or Jalopnik about the GT being 3750# or it costing $30k, but the Ford forums are saying it will be unchanged @ around 3450# and $27k.

[BigAls87Z28]

********. The V6 went UP in price, when all the Ford fags said that it wouldnt since the 3.7 would be made locally vs the French 4.0.
They also said the V6 would lose weight...it didnt.
They said that the 2010 Mustang woudl be lighter then the 2009?
It wasnt
So far, the only thing that was right was the fact that they pegged the Camaro's output for the V6 and V8.
A unique V8, all brand new transmissions, new brakes, suspension parts...and some how still 27k?
V6 Mustang now starts at 23k, just like the Camaro V6. Gunna tell me the GT is under 4 grand away?

[LTb1ow]

Um, cause Ford > GM.

Der.

Kcoolthanxxbyeee

[SteveR]

********. The V6 went UP in price, when all the Ford fags said that it wouldnt since the 3.7 would be made locally vs the French 4.0.
They also said the V6 would lose weight...it didnt.
They said that the 2010 Mustang woudl be lighter then the 2009?
It wasnt
So far, the only thing that was right was the fact that they pegged the Camaro's output for the V6 and V8.
A unique V8, all brand new transmissions, new brakes, suspension parts...and some how still 27k?
V6 Mustang now starts at 23k, just like the Camaro V6. Gunna tell me the GT is under 4 grand away?

I have no idea what the '11 will be, but the '10 V6 is $20,995, not 23. And the '10 GT is $27,995. Weight wise, the V6 went up 35 pounds- to 3380, 370 pounds lighter than the V6 Camaro, and the GT from '09 to '10 went up just 15 pounds, to 3455, 495 pounds lighter than the '10 Camaro.

[BigAls87Z28]

23k for teh 2011 Mustang V6.

[Slow-V6]

I have no idea what the '11 will be, but the '10 V6 is $20,995, not 23. And the '10 GT is $27,995. Weight wise, the V6 went up 35 pounds- to 3380, 370 pounds lighter than the V6 Camaro, and the GT from '09 to '10 went up just 15 pounds, to 3455, 495 pounds lighter than the '10 Camaro.

2010 Mustang starts @ 21,000 and weighs 3400lbs. It has 210hp and 240ftlbs out of a 4.0 liter. Has basic options that pretty much every car comes with.

2010 Camaro starts @ 22,680 and weighs 3780lbs. It has 304hp and 270ftlbs out of a 3.6 liter. Gets better gas miles, comes standard with power seats, satalite radio, mp3 player, remote trunk release, and hands free communication system. Also has an airbag for basically every section of the car!


2010 GT weighs 3534 and to get a GT that compares with the SS you will need a premium GT which starts @ 31,000.

[NastyEllEssWon]

al wouldve made a good publicist for the Titanic.

[GP99GT]

:stupid:

[12secondv6]

challenger FTW :drool:

[BigAls87Z28]

al wouldve made a good publicist for the Titanic.

I figured that you are just trying to get a rise out of me, but you are an idiot.
I am talking about the Mustang's price going up...and that means?

[NastyEllEssWon]

http://www.mustangheaven.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/2011-mustang-5.0.png




:lol:

[BigAls87Z28]

Reminds me of the old SHO motors.

[Frosty]

Reminds me of the old SHO motors.

That's what I was thinking when I saw it too,.

[Slow-V6]

http://www.mustangheaven.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/2011-mustang-5.0.png




:lol:


Cute!

[SteveR]

http://www.mustangheaven.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/2011-mustang-5.0.png


battery moved closer to firewall= +
fixed valve cover to strut tower clearance= +
engine not hidden under cowl= +

[BigAls87Z28]

That puppy is wedged right in there!
The plastic injector/coil cover really gives it the look of it having clamps, etc etc.
Ford really turned it up for this car.

[Blackbirdws6]

Crosses fingers for retaining the sound pipe into the cabin lol. Peak power sounds good. About time they gave the GT some balls.

[Sweet99Z]

battery moved closer to firewall= +
fixed valve cover to strut tower clearance= +
engine not hidden under cowl= +

Looks pretty fukkin gay to me:nod:

[S.J.SLEEPER]

aaarrrgggggggg..... its a mustang,ford product....
isn't this a fbody website?

I'm not bitchin or complaining, But if we are here cause we are fbody nuts. Then who gives a pphhuck about the mustang?
I don't.

[Frosty]

Ironic that you were whining about free speech on this site in another thread yet condemn those for talking about a product other than a Fbody....brilliant :D

[S.J.SLEEPER]

Ironic that you were whining about free speech on this site in another thread yet condemn those for talking about a product other than a Fbody....brilliant :D

condemn? I didn't say we/u/them couldn't talk about/or comment on the mustang.

what I was getting at is........... that why there would be all the fuss about the mustangs when all these guys here are supposed to be here for their fbody's.

you can be a stang nutswinger if you like. I don't care. I'm all about being free to talk/say whatever you want.

no whining, just adding my $.02

[Frosty]

I guess they're all bad Fbody owners then for talking about others cars....:scratches head:

BTW, what Ford does with the Mustang influences past, present and future Fbodies.

[S.J.SLEEPER]

thanks for the educational comments.

yeah..... just like every other car company tries to 1up the others comprable models. always trying to get the selling edge.
NO **** sherlock.

[Frosty]

....so this thread does in fact have relevance to Fbodies "Sherlock".

You=teh fail. Thanks for playing. Go whine more about people talking about non-Fbodies :rofl::mrgreen:

Just busting balls.

[SteveR]

I like a lot of cars :shrug:

[BigAls87Z28]

This car should put fear into everyone under the Camaro team. Ford finally has put out a really solid product, and its not wearing a Cobra badge.
MY2010 is still the Year of Camaro. 2011 will most deff be the Year of the Mustang. 2012 though....Camaro gets an MCE along with convertable, and a special edition or two. GM is making serious bank on the 5th gen, but they need to go back into the car and tweek the steering and suspension packages, pull a few moure pounds out of the thing. and really hit the Mustang hard.

[NastyEllEssWon]

now that the 5.0 puts some grunt into the mustang im gonna have to re-test drive it. i test drove a track pack over the summer and i loved it....really wouldve bought it if it had a six speed (highway rpms were high) and a little bit more power....the gears helped a lot (but still again...highway rpms).




the best news of all this??? this should put terminator mustang prices in the dirt once the new one drops and all the fan boys jump ship. 10-12k for terminators. watch....mark my words :nod:

[Slow-V6]

This car should put fear into everyone under the Camaro team. Ford finally has put out a really solid product, and its not wearing a Cobra badge.
MY2010 is still the Year of Camaro. 2011 will most deff be the Year of the Mustang. 2012 though....Camaro gets an MCE along with convertable, and a special edition or two. GM is making serious bank on the 5th gen, but they need to go back into the car and tweek the steering and suspension packages, pull a few moure pounds out of the thing. and really hit the Mustang hard.

The only mustang car that for and SVT put out that I feared was the 03-04 cobra's. That was a really solid product. This new mustang doesnt scare me at all. You all can praise Ford for finnally putting out a Mustang that can compete with a 1998 Z28 without the need for a power adder but I won't. But I am like the other guy who doesnt understand why we have all these mustang posts when its a F-body site. I referenced 3 of my friends who have f-bodies to this site in the past month and all 3 of them said no thanks. All they see is a bunch of talk about mustangs and how most of the f-body owners say that there next car will be a mustang instead of a camaro. I know it is personal preference but when new people dont want to come to these meets and come chat with us becuase they feel that most of us dont even care about the fbody then thats bad.

I like Mustangs as I have owned 2 of them in the past. On this board I talk crap on them because this board is a F-body board and thats what fbody people do. they talk **** on ford and mustangs. ****ers Only Run Down Hill....

[Slow-V6]

http://www.mustangheaven.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/2011-mustang-5.0.png




:lol:

I wonder how hard it will be to do headers on that thing? I know my 96 we had to drop the k member down to do the longtubes on it.. Fun Fun!!

[NastyEllEssWon]

if you dont like it you dont have to come here. its a car, were all car enthusiasts..if you want anyone to blame for the mustang/camaro rivalry being ended you should blame GM....with them killing the camaro and the bird in 02 and ford dropping the terminators in 03/04 all we've had to drool over was 6 years of concept pics and what ifs, while the mustang was roaming free on the highways.




im glad to see mustang and camaro owners not clashing anymore.....save the hate for the ricebuckets

[LTb1ow]

Looks like a big fat kid they shoved into an engine bay. Ford motors suck to work on.

[GP99GT]

uh yeah if you dont want to read about the new mustang...dont click the thread. wow thats hard to do

that being said, when the terminator prices drop...i shall be in the market

[Frosty]

This is the lounge where anything goes. So there a few threads about Mustangs.....is it THAT big of a deal? Certainly beats the LT1 vs LS1 bickering....at least threads like this are constructive. If someone decides to not join this site because of a few Mustang posts.....


I hate Mustangs but this thread is very fbody related....Ford FINALLY has come out with regular,non special edition Mustang that gives the Camaro a challenge. That's big news regardless of where your loyalty lies....this will reignite the rivalry....

Maybe there aren't as many enthusiasts here.

[NastyEllEssWon]

uh yeah if you dont want to read about the new mustang...dont click the thread. wow thats hard to do

that being said, when the terminator prices drop...i shall be in the market




keeping my eyes open for a white vert :drool:

[LTb1ow]

You are just jealous cause you aren't cool enough to have an LT1/LS1 to join the fights yo.

[BigAls87Z28]

The only mustang car that for and SVT put out that I feared was the 03-04 cobra's. That was a really solid product. This new mustang doesnt scare me at all. You all can praise Ford for finnally putting out a Mustang that can compete with a 1998 Z28 without the need for a power adder but I won't. But I am like the other guy who doesnt understand why we have all these mustang posts when its a F-body site. I referenced 3 of my friends who have f-bodies to this site in the past month and all 3 of them said no thanks. All they see is a bunch of talk about mustangs and how most of the f-body owners say that there next car will be a mustang instead of a camaro. I know it is personal preference but when new people dont want to come to these meets and come chat with us becuase they feel that most of us dont even care about the fbody then thats bad.

I like Mustangs as I have owned 2 of them in the past. On this board I talk crap on them because this board is a F-body board and thats what fbody people do. they talk **** on ford and mustangs. Fukers Only Run Down Hill....


Thats such ********!! Everyone on here is all about thier cars. There is a constant squabbling about inner-hatred for other generations. Third gens hate 4th gens, LT1's hate LS1's, big bumper cars are envious of split bumper cars, so forth and so on.
But we all love the Fbody, past present adn future. We also have a small group of Ford guys here, and some people who dont care what the car is, they just like the hobby. I wouldnt say taht everyone loves the Mustang? Maybe your friends need to step up thier reading comprehension skills?

[Frosty]

You are just jealous cause you aren't cool enough to have an LT1/LS1 to join the fights yo.

Definitely. I cry myself to sleep every night knowing I can't be as cool as you guys.

I'm going to start a L83 vs L98 flame war just to make me feel special. :rofl:

[BigAls87Z28]

LB9 4 LIFE!!


but since mine died...ELESJUAN!

[NastyEllEssWon]

LB9 4 LIFE!!


but since mine died...ELESJUAN!





bah....n00bs.....Ellis Juan :wink:

[S.J.SLEEPER]

LS1 OR GO HOME !!! you bunch of lt1,5.0,5.4,4.6,l98,l83, nutswingers !!!:mrgreen:

















fords ..............:moon:

[S.J.SLEEPER]

FTW

[NastyEllEssWon]

FTW





what a horrible horrible horrible looking car

[Frosty]

FTW

That's not Fbody related....please refrain from posting anything other than Fbody related stuff. Kthnxbye. :moon::mrgreen:

[Tru2Chevy]

But I am like the other guy who doesnt understand why we have all these mustang posts when its a F-body site. I referenced 3 of my friends who have f-bodies to this site in the past month and all 3 of them said no thanks. All they see is a bunch of talk about mustangs and how most of the f-body owners say that there next car will be a mustang instead of a camaro. I know it is personal preference but when new people dont want to come to these meets and come chat with us becuase they feel that most of us dont even care about the fbody then thats bad.

:bs:

If your friends don't wanna join this site, that's up to them, but where is there "a bunch of talk about mustangs"? Where do you see multiple polls and/or threads where the majority of responders have voted or said they would be purchasing a new Mustang over a new Camaro (or a used Mustang over a used F-body)? Where do you see anything on this site that says that the majority of people here don't care about F-Bodies?

As of the time I am making this post there are 15,927 threads in the Lounge.....only 67 have the word "Mustang" in the title. That's less than 1/2 of 1%

There are 133 threads on this entire site with the word "Mustang" in the title out of 39,518 total threads. That's 1/3 of 1%

Sure there is some talk about the Mustang here - it's the age old Camaro / Firebird rival, and it's going to be mentioned once in a while. But if you or your friends think that an average of less than 1 thread started about Mustangs once every other week is too much talk about them, then I don't really know what to say to you.

- Justin

[S.J.SLEEPER]

:bs:

it's the age old Camaro / Firebird rival,

- Justin

i think you meant camaro/mustang rival ?

wtf you smoking? since when was/is a rivalry between fbodies?

[Tru2Chevy]

i think you meant camaro/mustang rival ?

wtf you smoking? since when was/is a rivalry between fbodies?


What I said:
Sure there is some talk about the Mustang here - it's the age old Camaro / Firebird rival, and it's going to be mentioned once in a while.

Mustang is the age old Camaro / Firebird rival.....no?

Since you fail at understanding the usage of a pronoun, I'll reiterate:
Sure there is some talk about the Mustang here - the Mustang is the age old Camaro / Firebird rival, and the Mustang is going to be mentioned once in a while.

That better for ya? :D

- Justin

[Slow-V6]

All I was asking is why there are all these threads about Mustangs. Like I stated before I like mustangs and have owned 2 of them but I am a F-body car guy at heart. My next car will be another fbody or a vette but I dont plan on getting rid of neither of my fbodies either.

[Slow-V6]

vvt? like the cts's????

anyways sounds nice def. want one!!!

Yup that will be my next car...

now that the 5.0 puts some grunt into the mustang im gonna have to re-test drive it. i test drove a track pack over the summer and i loved it....really wouldve bought it if it had a six speed (highway rpms were high) and a little bit more power....the gears helped a lot (but still again...highway rpms).

keeping my eyes open for a white vert :drool:



I dont think it was because of the mustang talk its just it seems like for some people in the thread that they own a f-body to pass the time untill the new mustang comes out or a 03-04 cobra gets cheaper. I dont have any problems with that as I have owned every gen of f-body except 1st ( total of 8) , 2 mustangs, and 2 dodge Daytona's in my 12 years of driving. my friends are a little more Die hard f-body owners who 1 owns a 69 T/A, one owns 2 89 turbo T/A's and a 3rd gen firehawk,and the other just has 6 f-bodies. They are also old school in there 40's.

I love this site and try to promote it whenever I get a chance to. I always give out this website to f-body owners when I meet them.

[Slow-V6]

im glad to see mustang and camaro owners not clashing anymore.....save the hate for the ricebuckets


So its cool to trash talk imports but not mustangs?

[S.J.SLEEPER]

much better thanks !!!

i only speak and read in retard!

[NastyEllEssWon]

id rather trash talk a fwd four banger import than hate on a rwd v8 american car. i really dont mind mustangs in a few years...anything before 72 is sweet...not a big fox body guy....only sn95 i like is the terminators and i really dig the 2010 mustang. big deal get over it.




if you go around the fbody community a lot of them hold the terminator mustangs in high regards.


read > If gm made a camaro that drove as good as the new mustang then id be interested in those too. :lol:

[BigAls87Z28]

This isnt some high end club, and this isnt some Ford-fan site. What this site consists of is good friends, good times, and overall fun. If your friends dont wana be a part of it, thats fine.
I made this thread, and no one dislikes Ford more then myself. But I like the hobby and I like the rivalry between the two cars.

[ib4200]

the rivalry is good, maybe it will pressure gm into making a new z28

[Frosty]

maybe it will pressure gm into making a new z28

............it already is going to be.......lol

[maroman88]

i had a fox boxy, i miss it sometimes, some day ill get another one tho... it was pretty pimp

[Slow-V6]

id rather trash talk a fwd four banger import than hate on a rwd v8 american car. i really dont mind mustangs in a few years...anything before 72 is sweet...not a big fox body guy....only sn95 i like is the terminators and i really dig the 2010 mustang. big deal get over it.




if you go around the fbody community a lot of them hold the terminator mustangs in high regards.


read > If gm made a camaro that drove as good as the new mustang then id be interested in those too. :lol:



You like what you want to like. Thats fine I have no problem with that. Like I said before At one time in my life I had a 98 Firebird, 88 GTA, 79 Formula, 96 Gt and a 86 Shelby Daytona all at the same time.

I hold the Terminators in high regards but if you gave me a choice between a 98 Camaro or a terminator I would pick the camaro. Hell I would pick my Firehawk over it also. Its like my uncle. He still has his 69 GTO that he bought brand new. I asked him why not get a new car? He said since they stopped making them in the early or mid 70's its become a rare car to see on the road and its like owning a part of history.Thats the way the T/A's will be or have become. Its like owning a part of american history. Thats the way I look at it. Its more then just driving an american sports car its driving a car that touched so many lives and wont be out again. I dont know if you get it but when I drive my T/A every red light I stop at I always get nice car or man I miss those T/A's from the people next to me. I never got that in my mustang's.

In my eyes a mustang is a Me 2 car. Its like having a honda. I never felt that way untill I owned my 96. I started to notice that there were mustangs everywere. I wasnt happy driving it because it felt like driving my grandmoms taurus. I look out my window right now and see 5 mustangs parked in my little 30 space section of my apartments parking lot. Thats just me. Most of you probably dont feel this way and thats cool. I mean everytime I start up my car at my dads house ( thats were we keep both cars) I always get about 5 people that come over from all the neibors houses and start chatting about the T/A's. My cars arent really that loud it just reminds them of a certain point in there lives and for me makes me 5-10 mins late because I dont want to be rude to them and not listen to there stories.