Broke the 10 sec barrier with the bolt on C5

[98tadriver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5h_JkxRT1E

The air was decent at Atco Raceway today and the car was hooking up for the most part.

previous best 11.02 @ 122.51mph 1.45 60'

todays bests in video/attatchments below

3.90 Rear should be installed tomorrow and then hopefully soon, I'll be posting about some 10.8 slips (faster is always nicer though lol)

[Featherburner]

Wow, Ron! That is flying! Congratulations on your new best.

[Mark B]

Congrats. Time to update your sig.

[Blackbirdws6]

Wow..congrats on the new best.

[NJ Torque]

Awesome Ron!

[sweetbmxrider]

Bout time :lol: Nice!

[98tadriver]

Thanks gang!

here's a launch pic of it. i snapped a picture of my picture since the original isnt online yet lol

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd186/98tadriv/1093passlaunchpic.jpg

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

What was the DA difference between the previous best and last night?

Congrats on that slow POS!

[BonzoHansen]

Sweet. Enjoy you're new title!

[WayFast84]

Nice! Wanna spray this beast? I have a kit for sale ;)

[mc73nova]

Thats awesome, Congrats!

[Jersey_TA]

Congrats again Ron. That thing is moving!

[coolmanvette75]

Saw this on Facebook before. Congrats again Ron!

[WayFast84]

So jelly, I need the driver mod.

How many passes would you say you have in this car?

[98tadriver]

Thanks again guys :) Just put the 3.90 rear in it tonight. got my part throttle shift points set, but I'll need to go to Atco tomorrow night to tune the WOT points :twisted:

The DA was within 100' of the night of my previous best. also, I shaved 40lbs between a race battery and exhaust mod, plus the track was hooking better

Bonzo- thanks for the title update! :)

wayfast- Im tempted to spray it but Im going to focus on going as fast as i can as a bolt on car, and then sometime next year, stick a "Brandon cam" or equivalent in it lol

I had 65-70passes from october 2010 to novermber 2010

Didnt make too many passes last year (15-20)

I have 45-50 passes with the car this year since june for a total of 125-140passes since october of 2010. i try to save most of my slips but sometimes i lose them

[1320B4U]

Soooo, your not running a different cam/lifter change? This is strickly bolt on that got you into the 10"s? What intake you running...ls6? fast?

[98tadriver]

Soooo, your not running a different cam/lifter change? This is strickly bolt on that got you into the 10"s? What intake you running...ls6? fast?

correct. stock longblock as it came from GM. fast 90mm intake and TB.
Im a full bolt on car with a 3.42 gear, circle D 5C converter and TMR tune. estimated 3100lb RW I dyno'd the car a few months back 362/382 thru a locked converter (usually reads higher that way) peak hp was at 5400 rpm and peak torque at 4500rpm


For all the people who might not know me personally, Its really not that hard to believe lol. If you follow the S.I. List over on LS1tech, you'll see what I'm talking about. when the time comes to do a cam swap, ill be sure to take pics of the stock cam/heads/valvetrain

[1320B4U]

Nice Ron, i have a '99 sebring silver/t56 myself...nothing crazy done w/it and i know the the capabilites of the ls1's but 10's is a great feat for a car one can pickup now for under 13k stock now.

[98tadriver]

Nice Ron, i have a '99 sebring silver/t56 myself...nothing crazy done w/it and i know the the capabilites of the ls1's but 10's is a great feat for a car one can pickup now for under 13k stock now.

Thanks!

I had a guy on LS1tech say in a sarcastic manner "Gotta love the internet, where a bolt on LS1 car can trap 122mph :rolleyes:..." Then asked me if I ever heard of Einstein and Newton's laws.. What a jerk lol. He obviously doesnt race or race enough. drag racing is more than just the simple laws of mass*acceleration and all that other jazz

There are a few variables that will make the car faster without adding hp. For instance- A high stall converter will yield waaayy better acceleration results than a stock converter. If i put a stock converter back in my car, I'd be willing to bet that I'll go about 6-7 tenths slower. my 3400 converter helped me to gain 5 tenths and 2mph in the 1/4 mile and the 4200 converter gained easily 2 tenths and 1mph on top of that. also, locking the converter after the 1/8 mile picked up an easy 2mph as well, since that increases the effeciency of the stall converter when its locked and spinning 1:1 with the motor

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Letting anyone else besides me drive would instantly slow it down by at least 4 tenths

Fixed.

[WayFast84]

Lmao, That guy on tech was an asshat. Are you going tonight?

[ar0ck]

That car is moving out! Congrats Ron

[WildBillyT]

Thanks!

I had a guy on LS1tech say in a sarcastic manner "Gotta love the internet, where a bolt on LS1 car can trap 122mph :rolleyes:..." Then asked me if I ever heard of Einstein and Newton's laws.. What a jerk lol. He obviously doesnt race or race enough. drag racing is more than just the simple laws of mass*acceleration and all that other jazz

There are a few variables that will make the car faster without adding hp. For instance- A high stall converter will yield waaayy better acceleration results than a stock converter. If i put a stock converter back in my car, I'd be willing to bet that I'll go about 6-7 tenths slower. my 3400 converter helped me to gain 5 tenths and 2mph in the 1/4 mile and the 4200 converter gained easily 2 tenths and 1mph on top of that. also, locking the converter after the 1/8 mile picked up an easy 2mph as well, since that increases the effeciency of the stall converter when its locked and spinning 1:1 with the motor

Haters gonna hate, dood.

Nice work!

[Featherburner]

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd186/98tadriv/1093passlaunchpic.jpgRon, what rims are you running up front?

[sweetbmxrider]

GTO sparesssssss I'd say. 17's to clear the brakes.

[Featherburner]

GTO sparesssssss I'd say. 17's to clear the brakes.That's what it looked like to me but I wanted to know straight from the horse's mouth so to speak.:lol:

[98tadriver]

Fixed.

lol well i cant take all the credit. it is an automatic 8-) But I did put the combo together, so that has to count for something right? :mrgreen:


And thanks fellas :) Didnt go tonight. glad i called before i decided to leave. they freakin cancelled because "its too cold." such bullsh#%*. I remember running at night and the waterbox was starting to freeze. It was in the mid-upper 40s today and its not even freezing out.

And yes, They would be GTO spares with M&H front runners

[sweetbmxrider]

A frozen water box....I guess it still works?

[98tadriver]

A frozen water box....I guess it still works?

worked for me :) Guess it would be called an ice box at that point :lol:

[steverc0034]

Wouldn't be the first time we were there and the burn out box froze.

[coolmanvette75]

Ron whats the record et/mph for a true bolt on ls1 c5? Yours is the fastest I've seen. Anyone really keep track?

[Mike]

Ron whats the record et/mph for a true bolt on ls1 c5? Yours is the fastest I've seen. Anyone really keep track?

I believe he needs 10.88 to claim the record

[JerzLT1]

I believe he needs 10.88 to claim the record

99% sure that he's the fastest Targa top. FRCs are lighter and i believe the record is lower.

[98tadriver]

Ron whats the record et/mph for a true bolt on ls1 c5? Yours is the fastest I've seen. Anyone really keep track?

Previous Record was set by a buddy of mine in his 04 C5 6spd Vert 11.33 @ 119.9 mph 1.54 60' 3190 RW

I believe theres another fella who goes by the name of Dragman on LS1tech. He's gone 11.33@119.9 at 3400-3500lb RW in his automatic

I broke that record back in March of 2011 by going 11.28 @ 119.5 on a 1.52 60' around 3260lb

The quickest bolt on C5 Z is 10.89 @ 125mph on a 1.45 60' at 3300lb rw

Although that car would be in a totally different class than me (FRC and a LS6 motor in it) Im getting awfully close to beating that time as well

[8SecC5]

Thanks!

I had a guy on LS1tech say in a sarcastic manner "Gotta love the internet, where a bolt on LS1 car can trap 122mph :rolleyes:..." Then asked me if I ever heard of Einstein and Newton's laws.. What a jerk lol. He obviously doesnt race or race enough. drag racing is more than just the simple laws of mass*acceleration and all that other jazz

There are a few variables that will make the car faster without adding hp. For instance- A high stall converter will yield waaayy better acceleration results than a stock converter. If i put a stock converter back in my car, I'd be willing to bet that I'll go about 6-7 tenths slower. my 3400 converter helped me to gain 5 tenths and 2mph in the 1/4 mile and the 4200 converter gained easily 2 tenths and 1mph on top of that. also, locking the converter after the 1/8 mile picked up an easy 2mph as well, since that increases the effeciency of the stall converter when its locked and spinning 1:1 with the motor


What exactly is your definition of "bolt-on"? If you're going to tell me you're running stock cubes (346), A4, with no head/cam work and 3100-3200 race weight and trap 122 - then I call ******** and agree with the guy on LS1 Tech. That is only a few MPH less than a serious 346 H/C A4 build built by AMR.

[98tadriver]

What exactly is your definition of "bolt-on"? If you're going to tell me you're running stock cubes (346), A4, with no head/cam work and 3100-3200 race weight and trap 122 - then I call ******** and agree with the guy on LS1 Tech. That is only a few MPH less than a serious 346 H/C A4 build built by AMR.

It's cool, Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. I'm used to the non believers by now lol. Take a look at the Quickest Stock internals list on LS1tech. A bolt on is anything that does not touch the engines oil. Intake/exhaust/converter/gears. I also said my estimated RW is 3100lb. Could be a lil less, but I havent scaled the car yet. Just in case you dont go to that page the LS1 stock internal record for a 4th gen Fbody is 10.68@ 122.9 mph on a 1.37 60' at 3060lbs, other guys have trapped 123-124mph with a stock internal fbody. So after seeing those times, you have to ask yourself, how hard is it to believe after all? I think the main reason is because this is uncharted territory for a C5. Nobody wants to push one to its limits.

I purchased the car, bone stock in october 2010. I ran 13.01@107 on a 2.00 dead hooking 60' when the car was stock with a few free mods. Whenever I do a cam swap, I'll be sure to video everything closely. Especially when I pull the cam out/heads off. Also, when I dyno'd the car, I put down 362 thru a locked converter. my friend's bolt on c5 put down 352-354. My power peaked at 5400-5500 rpm and slowly drops from there. definately does not continue to climb after that.

And if all they're trapping is a few mph over me with a "serious" heads/car, thats horrible. I plan on going low 10s in the high 120's cam only lol.

[8SecC5]

I'm not trying to get into a pi$$ing match about this, but I know a lot about GM performance. I've been racing for over 25 years and have a 8 second Vette.

By the numbers, using well known information:
A stock C5/LS1/A4 puts down on avg 290 HP on a dynojet and traps ~107.
A stock, C5Z/LS6 puts down on avg 360 HP on a dynojet and traps ~116.

Therefore, how on gods earth is a stock long block LS1 with only Mani/TB/Gears/Stall/Tune and more parasitic DTL going to put down as much as a LS6/6speed on a dyno and trap higher when the whole world knows that autos trap less given the same HP level.

Explain to me and the rest of the world how you gained 70+HP and 15MPH with your mod list. It just doesn't add up. A friend of mine, who coincidentally was a C5 engineer under Dave McLellan also agrees with me.

[Jersey_TA]

I'm not trying to get into a pi$$ing match about this, but I know a lot about GM performance. I've been racing for over 25 years and have a 8 second Vette.

By the numbers, using well known information:
A stock C5/LS1/A4 puts down on avg 290 HP on a dynojet and traps ~107.
A stock, C5Z/LS6 puts down on avg 360 HP on a dynojet and traps ~116.

Therefore, how on gods earth is a stock long block LS1 with only Mani/TB/Gears/Stall/Tune and more parasitic DTL going to put down as much as a LS6/6speed on a dyno and trap higher when the whole world knows that autos trap less given the same HP level.

Explain to me and the rest of the world how you gained 70+HP and 15MPH with your mod list. It just doesn't add up. A friend of mine, who coincidentally was a C5 engineer under Dave McLellan also agrees with me.

His car is 100% stock internals. I can definitely vouch for it. I've been racing for 11 years all Gm. Welcome to the site.

[Mike]

I'm not trying to get into a pi$$ing match about this, but I know a lot about GM performance.

Seems like a pissing match is the only reason you are here.

Signed up today, only posted in this thread and only to call bs. Are you an fbody owner or fan? Are you from the area? Why did you sign up here?

[98tadriver]

I'm not trying to get into a pi$$ing match about this, but I know a lot about GM performance. I've been racing for over 25 years and have a 8 second Vette.

By the numbers, using well known information:
A stock C5/LS1/A4 puts down on avg 290 HP on a dynojet and traps ~107.
A stock, C5Z/LS6 puts down on avg 360 HP on a dynojet and traps ~116.

Therefore, how on gods earth is a stock long block LS1 with only Mani/TB/Gears/Stall/Tune and more parasitic DTL going to put down as much as a LS6/6speed on a dyno and trap higher when the whole world knows that autos trap less given the same HP level.

Explain to me and the rest of the world how you gained 70+HP and 15MPH with your mod list. It just doesn't add up. A friend of mine, who coincidentally was a C5 engineer under Dave McLellan also agrees with me.

on average, 290?? stock maybe. But 290 with full bolt ons?? In the words of Gene Wilder, you are WRONG SIR! WRONG! :lol:

Just because you supposedly have a 8 sec C5 doesn't make you omniscient. It's called technology. Get with the times man. My friend's bolt on only C5 put down 354rwhp, so how hard is it to believe I made 362 with larger intake,exhaust and an electric waterpump?? I locked my converter during my pulls as well. You will get a higher number when it is locked because it takes away most if not all slip compared to running it unlocked, thus cutting down on parasitic loss. Peak hp at 5500rpm and peak torque at 4500rpm. Doesnt sound far-fetched to me.

here, visit this link and tell all of these guys/gals that they have h&c on their bolt on cars.. http://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-results/1129010-quickest-stock-internals-list-11-74-bump.html

So who decided to make the fake username to mess with me?

[8SecC5]

Seems like a pissing match is the only reason you are here.

Signed up today, only posted in this thread and only to call bs. Are you an fbody owner or fan? Are you from the area? Why did you sign up here?

It's a free country my friend. And I don't have to answer to you.

[LTb1ow]

It's a free country my friend. And I don't have to answer to you.

Not a free rights for all website, and you appear to be here only to talk down on Ron.

Enjoy your stay but with that attitude its gonna be a short lived one.

[Mike]

It's a free country my friend. And I don't have to answer to you.

Way to dodge the questions. My bolt on only t/a made 356/364 so his numbers are completely reasonable.

If you are here to troll you will be gone faster than Andy Reid. So yeah you kinda do have to answer to me

[98tadriver]

Thanks for chiming in guys :D


It's a free country my friend. And I don't have to answer to you.

You dodged the question, but by doing so you have just answered it.

As for whoever made up this username.. If you're trying to fool anyone, You will have to do better than that. This is why the redflag went up halfway through your first post-

Your username- Does not exist on any other forums
Post count- Your first post was calling bs on my times
You Didn't post in the welcome section like everybody else usually does

That's just a few reasons right off the top of my head.

Honestly I would've had a better laugh if you put a little more effort into it

[Sprayed 99]

We've had several bolt on cars put down 350+ rwhp. A buddies 98 ta put down 375 boltons only. Simply put, light car, decent power and you'll go fast. Nothing crazy or unrealistic about that.

[Sprayed 99]

What exactly is your definition of "bolt-on"? If you're going to tell me you're running stock cubes (346), A4, with no head/cam work and 3100-3200 race weight and trap 122 - then I call ******** and agree with the guy on LS1 Tech. That is only a few MPH less than a serious 346 H/C A4 build built by AMR.


122mph 1/4 trap speed is about wat any average hads cam car can do. Wats so serious about that? My own sh#t box went 122 at 3700lbs heads/cam wrong size tires.

[BonzoHansen]

FWIW I don't think it is another NJFBOA user

[Jersey Mike]

Way to dodge the questions. My bolt on only t/a made 356/364 so his numbers are completely reasonable.

If you are here to troll you will be gone faster than Andy Reid. So yeah you kinda do have to answer to me

So he's going to be here for 14 years?

[98tadriver]

We've had several bolt on cars put down 350+ rwhp. A buddies 98 ta put down 375 boltons only. Simply put, light car, decent power and you'll go fast. Nothing crazy or unrealistic about that.

Thanks Larry :D

[98tadriver]

FWIW I don't think it is another NJFBOA user

So if it's a genuine hater, then I am most certainly flattered. My thirst for haterade will never be quenched!

[8SecC5]

Hey 98tadriver...

Here's an offer for you.

My friend, the former C5 engineer has 3 mule C5's in his barn. One is an A4.

He'll cover the cost of the parts and install to apply the same basic bolt-on mods to the vehicle. Additionally, he'll have the car delivered to any track of your choosing. You can run the car and if you match your claims of 122-125, he'll sign the title over to you.

Are you game?

[Jersey Mike]

Hey 98tadriver...

Here's an offer for you.

My friend, the former C5 engineer has 3 mule C5's in his barn. One is an A4.

He'll cover the cost of the parts and install to apply the same basic bolt-on mods to the vehicle. Additionally, he'll have the car delivered to any track of your choosing. You can run the car and if you match your claims of 122-125, he'll sign the title over to you.

Are you game?

Quoted for popcorn. :popcorn:

[Jersey_TA]

Quoted for popcorn. :popcorn:

x2:popcorn:

I've seen a bolt on LS2 vette run low 10s so how hard is it to believe a bolt on LS1 vette can run high 10s?

[8SecC5]

Hey 98tadriver...

Here's an offer for you.

My friend, the former C5 engineer has 3 mule C5's in his barn. One is an A4.

He'll cover the cost of the parts and install to apply the same basic bolt-on mods to the vehicle. Additionally, he'll have the car delivered to any track of your choosing. You can run the car and if you match your claims of 122-125, he'll sign the title over to you.

Are you game?

Just a reminder, we're going by your definition of bolt-on's. Therefore, stock heads & cam, all stock internals. (as they came from Bowling Green.)

[grazi]

Hey 98tadriver...

Here's an offer for you.

My friend, the former C5 engineer has 3 mule C5's in his barn. One is an A4.

He'll cover the cost of the parts and install to apply the same basic bolt-on mods to the vehicle. Additionally, he'll have the car delivered to any track of your choosing. You can run the car and if you match your claims of 122-125, he'll sign the title over to you.

Are you game?
Your friend seems like a generous guy !!!

[LTb1ow]

Hey 98tadriver...

Here's an offer for you.

My friend, the former C5 engineer has 3 mule C5's in his barn. One is an A4.

He'll cover the cost of the parts and install to apply the same basic bolt-on mods to the vehicle. Additionally, he'll have the car delivered to any track of your choosing. You can run the car and if you match your claims of 122-125, he'll sign the title over to you.

Are you game?

Quoted again, but I am gonna guess you will scream and yell when the car gets gutted to meet the Ron race weight.

[8SecC5]

Quoted again, but I am gonna guess you will scream and yell when the car gets gutted to meet the Ron race weight.

The mule C5 weighs 3122 (per GM's scale), I believe that's within the threshold of 98tadriver's claimed weight. That's not far off from stock anyway.

[grazi]

Quoted again, but I am gonna guess you will scream and yell when the car gets gutted to meet the Ron race weight.

Who cares what he thinks. It will technically become Ron's car anyway...can we get this thread notarized so he can't back out?

[Jersey Mike]

I'll hook that up if I can get some share of the car...

[grazi]

The mule C5...the official beater of NJFBOA. Can I get dibs on having it Tuesday afternoons?

[Sprayed 99]

Hey 98tadriver...

Here's an offer for you.

My friend, the former C5 engineer has 3 mule C5's in his barn. One is an A4.

He'll cover the cost of the parts and install to apply the same basic bolt-on mods to the vehicle. Additionally, he'll have the car delivered to any track of your choosing. You can run the car and if you match your claims of 122-125, he'll sign the title over to you.

Are you game?


This has to be a joke. First off if your buddie is a vette engineer, i'd love to kick him dead in the nuts for some of the god awful garbage that is on and in c5's. Always been a big c5 and c6 fan........but work on one and see how much of a nighmare some things can be.

And for what its worth.....every car runs differently. Some faster and some slower. No 2 run exactly the same even with the same mods.

[WayFast84]

Who is this guy?!

[NJ Torque]

Can I get this same offer...

[1320B4U]

Normally vette drivers argue over the last of the viagra pills...this is a change.

[Mark B]

Normally vette drivers argue over the last of the viagra pills...this is a change.

If he is a vette owner

[Mike]

Countdown has started

[WSex]

Quoted for popcorn. :popcorn:

psssh screw popcorn... :bbq:;)

[BonzoHansen]

Is there a prize for all this? Is there money on the table? I'm not sure why anyone cares all that much. I know I don't see records for fastest bolt on cars on ESPN, Velocity or Speed. Or even the Ocho.

[98tadriver]

If it's not an existing member from njfboa, my next guess Is a Hater that came over from Corvette Forum or the same guy who tried giving me a physics lesson on LS1tech.

Hey 98tadriver...

Here's an offer for you.

My friend, the former C5 engineer has 3 mule C5's in his barn. One is an A4.

He'll cover the cost of the parts and install to apply the same basic bolt-on mods to the vehicle. Additionally, he'll have the car delivered to any track of your choosing. You can run the car and if you match your claims of 122-125, he'll sign the title over to you.

Are you game?

First of all, you need to take the time to actually read, get your facts straight and stop misquoting me.
I never said my car traps 125 and you were definately wrong about the weights and hp #'s

So what you're saying is- After copying my exact setup with your friend's car (hopefully a 2001 since thats what I have), I'm going to own another C5 bolt on record holding car? My only request is that it's Nassau Blue. I like that color. 3122lbs you say? Is that Without driver? Put me in the driver seat and it'll be 200lbs heavier than my car with me in it :rofl:

All kidding aside, this sounds like you want to trick me into telling you my setup. Then, you and your friend can copy it in an attempt to take my record which I've worked hard for. How about this, you figure it out yourself like I did with my car... This is uncharted territory for C5's because nobody has pushed the boundaries like I have, (successfully anyway). When I put a cam in the car next year, I will be sure to record the removal of the stock heads, stock cam, stock everything. Even then I realize it will not satisfy condescending people like yourself.

[WSex]

If it's not an existing member from njfboa, my next guess Is a Hater that came over from Corvette Forum or the same guy who tried giving me a physics lesson on LS1tech.



So what you're saying is- After copying my exact setup with your friend's car (hopefully a 2001 since thats what I have), I'm going to own another C5 bolt on record holding car? My only request is that it's Nassau Blue. I like that color. 3122lbs you say? Is that Without driver? Put me in the driver seat and it'll be 200lbs heavier than my car with me in it :rofl:

All kidding aside, this just sounds like you're trying to trick me into telling you my setup. This way, you and your friend can copy it and try to take my record which I've worked hard for. How about this, you figure it out yourself like I did with my car... This is uncharted territory for C5's because nobody has pushed the boundaries like I have, (successfully anyway). When I put a cam in the car next year, I will be sure to record the removal of the stock heads, stock cam, stock everything.

but then you get a free car?

[Blackbirdws6]

but then you get a free car?

With the caveat that he divulges all the little details which he worked hard to figure out along the way.

[98tadriver]

This has to be a joke. First off if your buddie is a vette engineer, i'd love to kick him dead in the nuts for some of the god awful garbage that is on and in c5's. Always been a big c5 and c6 fan........but work on one and see how much of a nighmare some things can be.

And for what its worth.....every car runs differently. Some faster and some slower. No 2 run exactly the same even with the same mods.

^^^^ +1 on that! lol

With the caveat that he divulges all the little details which he worked hard to figure out along the way.

glad people understand where I'm coming from :)

[98tadriver]

but then you get a free car?

8secC5's offer is about as good as the offers you recieve via email from a Nigerian prince..

[1320B4U]

Do we have any pics of his car or anything? What proof do we have other than his word?

[steverc0034]

I say kick him from the fourm the end.

[sweetbmxrider]

8secC5's offer is about as good as the offers you recieve via email from a Nigerian prince..

:lol: I seem to be well connected over there!

[BonzoHansen]

With the caveat that he divulges all the little details which he worked hard to figure out along the way.

since I don't see the monetary gain from owning such a record, I'd trade those secrets for a free vette all day long!

[WSex]

well once he puts those secrets into that vette he keeps that same one.
so it like win win.
you prove them wrong aaaannnnd you get a free vette.

just contact your local lawyer lol

[Blackbirdws6]

since I don't see the monetary gain from owning such a record, I'd trade those secrets for a free vette all day long!

Advertising is advertising. These types of things can be what makes one shop better than another (if either chose to do something like that). Owning a gutted, mule C5 would be only valuable in a part out situation IMO. I understand your point but I think we all know this won't go anywhere.

[98tadriver]

Although there is no monetary gain for having the quickest C5, fbody, etc etc with bolt ons, There is a great feeling of accomplishment and well being when breaking multiple records :) It was a personal goal of mine and I achieved it.

Unfortunately there will always be non believers out there. People who claim to be friends with GM engineers, studied physics in college, or raced for 25 years. Now there are some problems which arise from that- 1.)Lack of experience with a certain make/model. They haven't put the time or effort into getting the most out of their car or one like mine. When you're sleeping, I'm practicing my driving or finding ways to go faster. Problem 1 leads to problem 2- People often place a "cap" on certain make/model's times. So as soon as someone breaks that record, those same people can't handle the facts and automatically call BS..

Now answer me this- If multiple 4th gen LS1 stock internal Fbodies have been down into the 10.60s-10.80s & have trapped 122-124mph, then what's so hard to believe about my stock internal C5 achieving those kinds of numbers? I rest my case

[NJSPEEDER]

Biggest thing so many fail to account for is the air here in NJ. All of our tracks are very close to sea level and for almost half the year you end up with pretty good odds of actually seeing negative DA's.

I went through it years ago with my 91 RS, little G went through it with his V6 car............there are those who just fail to believe anyone can accomplish more than them and their "expert" friends.

-Tim

[98tadriver]

Biggest thing so many fail to account for is the air here in NJ. All of our tracks are very close to sea level and for almost half the year you end up with pretty good odds of actually seeing negative DA's.

I went through it years ago with my 91 RS, little G went through it with his V6 car............there are those who just fail to believe anyone can accomplish more than them and their "expert" friends.

-Tim

Thanks Tim :) alot of guys hate us NJ folk(in a joking way) bc of the "mineshaft air" that we get in the cooler months :lol:

[LTb1ow]

Thanks Tim :) alot of guys hate us NJ folk(in a joking way) bc of the "mineshaft air" that we get in the cooler months :lol:

Technically, air in a mineshaft would be hotter. :wink:

[98tadriver]

Technically, air in a mineshaft would be hotter. :wink:

lol yeah I realize this, but mineshafts are located deep below sealevel (hence the reason for him saying that). That and I didnt want to correct the guy lol

[8SecC5]

Well we anticipated that you would decline the offer. And we all know why! Divulging the "secret list of mods" would render the meaningless hollow record invalid.

Congratulations, you've successfully duped enough people into a loyal following of supporters.

There are those like my friend and I who know that a stock head/cam LS1 in a vehicle over 3000 lbs will not yield the trap speeds you post.

To those who read this, consider yourself informed.
It's a free country, and you can choose to believe someone who helped design and built the beloved C5 or someone who didn't.

[Jersey Mike]

Simple solution:

Go to Atco, watch run, pull heads/cam after. Put something on the line to make it worth both parties' time.


Or, you know, just keep bantering on the internet. It's all the same to me.

[Sprayed 99]

Well we anticipated that you would decline the offer. And we all know why! Divulging the "secret list of mods" would render the meaningless hollow record invalid.

Congratulations, you've successfully duped enough people into a loyal following of supporters.

There are those like my friend and I who know that a stock head/cam LS1 in a vehicle over 3000 lbs will not yield the trap speeds you post.
To those who read this, consider yourself informed.
It's a free country, and you can choose to believe someone who helped design and built the beloved C5 or someone who didn't.

Just because your buddy designed the cup holders on the c5 doesn t make him THE authority on the limits of what can be done. And i wouldnt brag too much on being buddies with any car engineer..........cause if u had anny real experiance actually workin on cars......you would have some choice words for your cup holder designing guru

[maroman88]

Just because your buddy designed the cup holders on the c5 doesn t make him THE authority on the limits of what can be done. And i wouldnt brag too much on being buddies with any car engineer..........cause if u had anny real experiance actually workin on cars......you would have some choice words for your cup holder designing guru

LOL and that cup holder doesnt hold ****!

[1320B4U]

8secC5...lets see some pics of your car please.

[steverc0034]

Yea I would like to see a time slip or a video showing this 8 sec pass in the 1/4 mile... mabye he means 8 sec 1/8 mile eather way **** off! If the only reason you came to this fourm is to mess with 98tadriver your an idiot and please do everyone a favor and leave THE END!

[Jersey_TA]

Well we anticipated that you would decline the offer. And we all know why! Divulging the "secret list of mods" would render the meaningless hollow record invalid.

Congratulations, you've successfully duped enough people into a loyal following of supporters.

There are those like my friend and I who know that a stock head/cam LS1 in a vehicle over 3000 lbs will not yield the trap speeds you post.
To those who read this, consider yourself informed.
it's a free country, and you can choose to believe someone who helped design and built the beloved C5 or someone who didn't.


I'm wondering if the mods/Admin would be so kind as to check the IP address or email of the troll 8SecC5 and compare it to everyone's screen
name to determine who this is. I find it hard to believe that someone with that SN could be this dumb in relation to the hp/performance gains from aftermarket parts.
Ask any performance shop for their cam specs or tuning information and see what answer you get. Most of them won't tell you because of the research and development they have invested into designing them.
Ron has been one of my close trusted friends for years and I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here and listen to some no name troll drag his name and reputation through the mud because he fails to grasp the effect aftermarket performance parts have on a real life car that is gasp.....raced on a real life track. Of course your mysterious GM engineer friend wouldn't know anything about the aftermarket of a car he "supposedly" helped design 15 years ago which makes his level of expertise on this subject exactly worthless at best.
Until you drop this "mythical test mule C5" off at Ron's house with a pile of parts from this so called nameless GM engineer you can shut your mouth.

[98tadriver]

Thank you guys. I appreciate you all standing up for me :)

8secC5- I'm very truly flattered by the fact that you joined this F-body site just to mess with me. In the 7 years that I've been a member here on NJFBOA, You would be the first one who's ever done something like this. So, from the bottom of my heart, thank you :)

[Mike]

I'm wondering if the mods/Admin would be so kind as to check the IP address or email of the troll 8SecC5 and compare it to everyone's screen
name to determine who this is. I find it hard to believe that someone with that SN could be this dumb in relation to the hp/performance gains from aftermarket parts.
Ask any performance shop for their cam specs or tuning information and see what answer you get. Most of them won't tell you because of the research and development they have invested into designing them.
Ron has been one of my close trusted friends for years and I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here and listen to some no name troll drag his name and reputation through the mud because he fails to grasp the effect aftermarket performance parts have on a real life car that is gasp.....raced on a real life track. Of course your mysterious GM engineer friend wouldn't know anything about the aftermarket of a car he "supposedly" helped design 15 years ago which makes his level of expertise on this subject exactly worthless at best.
Until you drop this "mythical test mule C5" off at Ron's house with a pile of parts from this so called nameless GM engineer you can shut your mouth.

It is not an ip used by a current or former member other than this guy

[steverc0034]

Yea what jersey ta said lol. :)

[sweetbmxrider]

Well we anticipated that you would decline the offer. And we all know why! Divulging the "secret list of mods" would render the meaningless hollow record invalid.

Congratulations, you've successfully duped enough people into a loyal following of supporters.

There are those like my friend and I who know that a stock head/cam LS1 in a vehicle over 3000 lbs will not yield the trap speeds you post.

To those who read this, consider yourself informed.
It's a free country, and you can choose to believe someone who helped design and built the beloved C5 or someone who didn't.

I'm friends with President Obama, I know its a big deal, and he said you are no longer allowed to post here. Sorry bro, there's no free in this country.

http://www.njfboa.org/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif

[steverc0034]

Lol...

[1320B4U]

...in the words of Joe Biden.......'this is ****ing big!'

[98tadriver]

Had my people look into the matter

The OP's name-

Al Saporito aka "SAPS" from LS1tech aka the same guy who was calling BS in my other thread http://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second-club/1556819-results-new-circle-d-converter.html . User profile http://ls1tech.com/forums/member.php?u=128167

Now I see why you have a personal vendetta against me. Your heads/cam car is a full second slower than my BOLT ON car and you can't figure out why :( :rofl: Which leads me to my next question- Why would you make a username 8SecC5 when your car is only going 11.8 :facepalm:?? White is a nice color for your car, but silver is faster ;-)

For a cancer survivor, you're awfully bitter toward people, especially me. I know if I was given a second chance to live like yourself, I'd be a whole helluva lot nice to people.

Funny story, I was going to study to be a PMP, but being unemployed allows me the free time to make people like you, hate on nice guys like me :D



P.S. I know I'm 5 days late, but happy belated 38th birthday to ya :flower:

[Jersey Mike]

Had my people look into the matter

The OP's name-

Al Saporito aka "SAPS" from LS1tech aka the same guy who was calling BS in my other thread http://ls1tech.com/forums/11-second-club/1556819-results-new-circle-d-converter.html . User profile http://ls1tech.com/forums/member.php?u=128167

Now I see why you have a personal vendetta against me. Your heads/cam car is a full second slower than my BOLT ON car and you can't figure out why :( :rofl: Which leads me to my next question- Why would you make a username 8SecC5 when your car is only going 11.8 :facepalm:?? White is a nice color for your car, but silver is faster ;-)

For a cancer survivor, you're awfully bitter toward people, especially me. I know if I was given a second chance to live like yourself, I'd be a whole helluva lot nice to people.

Funny story, I was going to study to be a PMP, but being unemployed allows me the free time to make people like you, hate on nice guys like me :D



P.S. I know I'm 5 days late, but happy belated 38th birthday to ya :flower:

Ooof! You stuff that turkey!

[Demonicbird00]

Umm...checkmate!

[sweetbmxrider]

Wow, what an idiot.

I'm not trying to get into a pi$$ing match about this, but I know a lot about GM performance. I've been racing for over 25 years and have a 8 second Vette.

By the numbers, using well known information:
A stock C5/LS1/A4 puts down on avg 290 HP on a dynojet and traps ~107.
A stock, C5Z/LS6 puts down on avg 360 HP on a dynojet and traps ~116.

Therefore, how on gods earth is a stock long block LS1 with only Mani/TB/Gears/Stall/Tune and more parasitic DTL going to put down as much as a LS6/6speed on a dyno and trap higher when the whole world knows that autos trap less given the same HP level.

Explain to me and the rest of the world how you gained 70+HP and 15MPH with your mod list. It just doesn't add up. A friend of mine, who coincidentally was a C5 engineer under Dave McLellan also agrees with me.

Hey we're going to need proof of your 8 second vette before we send you adrift for being a complete ass. Please, don't take your time to respond!

[steverc0034]

BURN!!!!!!

[Sprayed 99]

Any way we can get a moderator to change 8SecC5 user name to 11.8SecC5? To only run 11.8 in a heads cam anything flat out sucks!!!!

[98tadriver]

Anyway we can get a moderator to change 8SecC5 user name to 11.8SecC5? To only run 11.8 in a heads cam anything flat out sucks!!!!

He must have that "serious heads/cam" package :facepalm:

[steverc0034]

He must have that "serious heads/cam" package :facepalm:

Lol:rofl:

[sweetbmxrider]

:rofl:

[98tadriver]

I see that Douchey McDouche aka 11.8SecC5, logged in on the 26th and made some changes with his email :lol: It's ok, the email that he previously listed, (which we recorded of course) has now been changed to a bogus one :lol: