New Commodore

[coolmanvette75]

Speaking of bringing back names, I wonder if the new Holden VF Commodore Sportwagon and Commodore Ute will make it over here as the "El Camino" and "Nomad"...

http://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/holden/commodore-ute/ns/holden_commodore-ute_f34_ns_21913_717.jpg

http://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/holden/commodore-ute/ns/holden_commodore-ute_r34_ns_21913_717.jpg

http://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/holden/commodore-sportwagon/ns/holden_commodore-sportwagon_r34_ns_21913_717.jpg

[Mike]

Ute rumors have been around since the gto came. I think al actually asked the execs a few years ago.

Nocamino

Wagon is a thought though. They did it with cts so they must feel it has a place

[BigAls87Z28]

The Ute almost made it. When I say almost, I think they were at one point ON a boat.
Pontiac had a giant naming competition on line for it as well, eventually settling on ST. It won't make it here as an Elky, and the wagon...ahahahah, so adorable.

[ins0mnia24]

Makes me want a Caprice instead even more now, low 20k with less then 10k miles

Get them while you can this will be 1,2,3 years on the market and gone if that like usual.

[NastyEllEssWon]

that wagon is pretty sharp though. i wouldnt mind having a hopped up wagon. always been a fan of off beat cars :D I'd still rather have a charger though

[PolarBear]

i dont get the big hate on the charger? is there something im missing thats supposed to make them undesirable?

Chrysler.

I think what you dont realize is that Dodge/Chrylser is equal to crap. IMO It should have died in the 80's before the K car came out. All the other Dodge products I have interacted with are barely worth the scrap weight they are made from.

While I agree with Scott on most of what was said about the Charger, I have to admit, I kind of like the re-designed body now. That said, I would NEVER buy one, been in one/drove it, it truly is crap

[sweetbmxrider]

As of right now the charger is the nicest v8 american sedan on the market. i dont see how anyone cant like it. its aggressive and still classy...plus im a sucker for wall to wall rear tail lamps. I understand all the hoopla about chevy rwd and big cars blah blah blah but theres still no reason to make it even plainer than my saturn ion looks. even my gf thought it was pretty crappy looking (new ss).

CTS-V's arent bad but i like the look of the charger and the lumina ss better. not to mention its probably like 15-20k out of my price range. i havent looked at any v's but i would imagine theyd start out around 50k, when you get into that price range a large other cars come into mind that i'd rather spend 50 grand on. 30 to low/mid 40s would be about the area im looking to stay, if i go any higher than that I might as well say screw utility and get a vette.

You said that, nothing about price. The v's are expensive. And they are the nicest v8 american sedan on the market. Like Mike said, lulz at comparing a charger to a caddy. They are worlds away from it. You even said you'd be looking at other cars at that point. Why? Because they are worlds away.

[Slow-V6]

In my opinion and many others the new 04-06 GTO did not live up to its name sake at all. I was all excited to possible buy a 04 GTO and get rid of my firebird but when I saw it in person it looked like a cavalier. When the 05-06's came out, they looked better but even with the LS2 my T/A was still faster stock vs stock.

When I think Pontiac I think of bad ass cars that would haul ass and beat down other car companies cars. The 04-06 GTO did not complete this task for me, Even the 08-09 G8's didnt as well but they were a family sedan. Pontiac went from selling 30,000 Firebirds in 2002, to 40,000 GTO's in a 3 year run. Why is that? If the GTO was such a better car why did it sell so bad? Why in 06 was GM just trying to get rid of the GTO's that were not selling?

If your a Performance car company like the way I saw pontiac, and do not have a performance car to offer then how do you expect to survive? Why did they put all there eggs into one basket?

[Mike]

Hard to justify designing new performance cars when you are operating on 40 billion dollars given to you by an entity that is forcing higher fuel economy

[sweetbmxrider]

Yeah, I think a lot of people forgot that the performance car market especially a 4 door car is probably the smallest slice of the market. People care about MPG's.

[PolarBear]

In my opinion and many others the new 04-06 GTO did not live up to its name sake at all.

What were you expecting? IMO it DID live up to it's namesake,as others have pointed out, The original GTO was a family car with a big engine. They could have been bought as 4 doors, although the GTO was actually a trim package of the LeMans. So GTO was a hopped up version of the family beater. The latest version was really just that, minus the 4 door versions of a "LeMans"

If your a Performance car company like the way I saw pontiac, and do not have a performance car to offer then how do you expect to survive? Why did they put all there eggs into one basket?

Again, I don't think you understand why Pontiac was killed. Pontiac was NOT a performance car maker. GM is almost its largest competitor with so many brands. Pontiac and Buick, as GM saw it, were directly in competition with each other. I would agree with that too. But then GM said "Well Buick sells more car world wide", logically there was no question on what to do about Pontiac when you are going through bankruptcy, kill the brand that sells less vehicles.
So your thought line of Building "bad ass" cars doesn't really work when Buick sold more than Pontiac. and Really, Pontiac really hasnt had its own car since the early 60's? After that basically all Pontiac's were re-branded Chevy/GM platforms.

[Slow-V6]

What were you expecting? IMO it DID live up to it's namesake,as others have pointed out, The original GTO was a family car with a big engine. They could have been bought as 4 doors, although the GTO was actually a trim package of the LeMans. So GTO was a hopped up version of the family beater. The latest version was really just that, minus the 4 door versions of a "LeMans"



Again, I don't think you understand why Pontiac was killed. Pontiac was NOT a performance car maker. GM is almost its largest competitor with so many brands. Pontiac and Buick, as GM saw it, were directly in competition with each other. I would agree with that too. But then GM said "Well Buick sells more car world wide", logically there was no question on what to do about Pontiac when you are going through bankruptcy, kill the brand that sells less vehicles.
So your thought line of Building "bad ass" cars doesn't really work when Buick sold more than Pontiac. and Really, Pontiac really hasnt had its own car since the early 60's? After that basically all Pontiac's were re-branded Chevy/GM platforms.

I hear you. Its just my opinion. I put a 06 GTO next to my Uncles 69 GTO and there is no comparision on which car is a GTO and should be called a GTO. Who bought Pontiac cars? Pontiac people. My Uncle, who bought his 69 GTO brand new, was very excited about the 04 GTO but when we went to look at it @ the dealership, he was pissed and couldnt believe that GM would call that Cavalier a GTO! He, like me were prepared to buy one but because of the way it looked we did not.

Once again I am not gonna drop 30 grand on a car that I do not like the looks of. Dont get me wrong both The 04-06 GTO's and the new Chevy here in this thread are really nice cars but just dont do it for me looks wise.

[Mike]

You are arguing your personal opinion as if it were a statement of fact. It's just going to go around and around. Can we all quit?

[Slow-V6]

You are arguing your personal opinion as if it were a statement of fact. It's just going to go around and around. Can we all quit?

Sure can. 1 last thing though. Did the GTO sell better when they added some hood scoops and 2 pipes out the back?

Chevy has nothing to worry about because they have the Camaro and Vette. This car will sell and does not need to be aggressive looking. If you want aggressive looks get a Camaro or Vette. Pontiac didnt have that option when the GTO came back out. If you wanted a performance car from Pontiac or Chevy it was the GTO, SSR, or Vette.

BTW that station wagon looks pretty sweet.

[WildBillyT]

I wonder how much more an "aggressive look" would add to the price.

[Mike]

Sure can. 1 last thing though. Did the GTO sell better when they added some hood scoops and 2 pipes out the back?

Chevy has nothing to worry about because they have the Camaro and Vette. This car will sell and does not need to be aggressive looking. If you want aggressive looks get a Camaro or Vette. Pontiac didnt have that option when the GTO came back out. If you wanted a performance car from Pontiac or Chevy it was the GTO, SSR, or Vette.

BTW that station wagon looks pretty sweet.

You can call it hood scoops and exhaust tips. I can call it 50 more HP.

[NastyEllEssWon]

You said that, nothing about price. The v's are expensive. And they are the nicest v8 american sedan on the market. Like Mike said, lulz at comparing a charger to a caddy. They are worlds away from it. You even said you'd be looking at other cars at that point. Why? Because they are worlds away.

I still stand by what i said there and in the response after it. I think the new charger looks much nicer than a cts-v. the V is aggressive looking but im not a fan of sharp edges.

I wonder how much more an "aggressive look" would add to the price.

lol im guessing an extra 15 grand :D providing it came with the lsa like mike was talking about. however that Wagon with an lsa in it...would be pretty awesome :D

You can call it hood scoops and exhaust tips. I can call it 50 more HP.

i dont understand why everyone calls it a scoop and tip package. they changed the damn motor in them :D




edit: i dont know many people or have had much experience with new Dodge/Chrys products but I havent seen anything horribly degrading to their brand in the last few years. I will say though the reason why im still holding out hope for GM to drop something worthwhile to test driving to me is simply because im pretty familiar with whats under body. :D

[Mike]

nasty you can say you prefer the looks of the charger to the cts all you want, but the cars aren't in the same class man

[Tru2Chevy]

Did the GTO sell better when they added some hood scoops and 2 pipes out the back?

No.

2004 - 15,740
2005 - 11,069
2006 - 13,948

- Justin

[Slow-V6]

No.

2004 - 15,740
2005 - 11,069
2006 - 13,948

- Justin


So the aggressive look and the 50 extra hp actually had a bad effect on the sales numbers. Interesting.

[sweetbmxrider]

I still stand by what i said there and in the response after it. I think the new charger looks much nicer than a cts-v. the V is aggressive looking but im not a fan of sharp edges.

nasty you can say you prefer the looks of the charger to the cts all you want, but the cars aren't in the same class man

Some men, just can't admit it.

[NastyEllEssWon]

nasty you can say you prefer the looks of the charger to the cts all you want, but the cars aren't in the same class man



oh of course i already made mention of the fact that if i was in a cts v price range there would be a whole new world of cars opened up to consider for purchase. probably the same reason why i wasnt even considering looking at one in the first place because they dont show up within my price range ;)

either way, im still disappointed in chevy's unveiling of this offering. i'll still hold out hope that it looks decent in person.

[sweetbmxrider]

I just wish they didn't have that bonk on the front grill.

[Mike]

oh of course i already made mention of the fact that if i was in a cts v price range there would be a whole new world of cars opened up to consider for purchase. probably the same reason why i wasnt even considering looking at one in the first place because they dont show up within my price range ;)

either way, im still disappointed in chevy's unveiling of this offering. i'll still hold out hope that it looks decent in person.

Again not debating what you would buy. You said the challenger is the best American performance sedan. It. In fact. Is NOT

[NastyEllEssWon]

Again not debating what you would buy. You said the challenger is the best American performance sedan. It. In fact. Is NOT



no i said the charger is the nicest. in my opinion its the best looking american sedan on the market. im not arguing about performance or underpinnings, i just said that i think its the nicest on the market.

[Slow-V6]

no i said the charger is the nicest. in my opinion its the best looking american sedan on the market. im not arguing about performance or underpinnings, i just said that i think its the nicest on the market.

Opinions are not liked around here!! J/K

[Mike]

And here we go with the woe is me can't speak my mind on this forum. Tom longer than usual.

Visual appeal is an OPINION.

The FACT that a cts is an all around nicer AND better Car than the charger is just that. A FACT

No matter how many pages it goes round and round. The FACTS stay facts

[Slow-V6]

I was just joking. I hope this SS sells like hot cakes.

[NastyEllEssWon]

And here we go with the woe is me can't speak my mind on this forum. Tom longer than usual.

Visual appeal is an OPINION.

The FACT that a cts is an all around nicer AND better Car than the charger is just that. A FACT

No matter how many pages it goes round and round. The FACTS stay facts



i said nice to represent the visual appeal of the car. since i havent seen the interior on a cts-v nor have driven one i wouldnt have an opinion of how capable and equipped the car is but you cant say that its nicer is a fact, that comes down to personal opinion. it might perform better in all categories but you can't say that its nicer is a fact lol

[maroman88]

the SS that paced the daytona 500 looked pretty dam good in that blue color, much better then the ****** silver they always present cars in

[NastyEllEssWon]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2177405/IMG_0408.JPG


once you said that i immediately searched it. it doesnt look half bad actually, id like to wait to see a month after theyre out, there might be a few aftermarket grille options that would clean that front end up pretty easily. especially losing that chevy sign in the front for a nice ss style grille :D

[maroman88]

lol see, add an agressive sporty color and all is well

[NastyEllEssWon]

lol see, add an agressive sporty color and all is well



lol im still not ready to plop down any money on it, but its enough to wait and see what might be possible after release :D

[Jersey Mike]

[IMG]http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2177405/IMG_0408.JPG [ /IMG]



Remove the bow-tie & does anyone else see a Benz-esque front fascia?

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/1346/25120299.jpg

[sweetbmxrider]

I see a grill that looks like charlie brown's shirt. Nice chop bro.

It does look good and has the bold fenders of the g8 like al has been saying. I still hate that lower grill but its grown slightly on me. I'd rather that then the rear of a c7 :rofl:

[Jersey Mike]

I see a grill that looks like charlie brown's shirt. Nice chop bro.

It does look good and has the bold fenders of the g8 like al has been saying. I still hate that lower grill but its grown slightly on me. I'd rather that then the rear of a c7 :rofl:

Microsoft Paint here on the office desktop. I knew you'd dig it.


I'm with you on the lower grille. Something about it just doesn't sit right with me. Although, I'm keeping in mind that photographs exaggerate details more than they appear in person, so who knows.

That's a low blow on the C7-rear comment! Oof!

[NastyEllEssWon]

I see a grill that looks like charlie brown's shirt. Nice chop bro.

It does look good and has the bold fenders of the g8 like al has been saying. I still hate that lower grill but its grown slightly on me. I'd rather that then the rear of a c7 :rofl:



lol i just dont understand the designers really. theyre like alright lets make this a big huge open grille....doesnt look right now...i know...toss a huge chunk of plastic in the middle of it, thats what its missing.

gm loves their huge chunks of random plastic :D

[Jersey Mike]

More air flow for future front-mounts, duh!

[BigAls87Z28]

Licence plate mounting is important.

[Featherburner]

License plate mounting is over rated.
Fixed in more ways than one.

[sweetbmxrider]

Licence plate mounting is important.

It is. How many car enthusiasts in this state don't run one? How many states even require one? Like John said, there's other ways of doing it.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Licence plate mounting is important.



ok so how hard is it to include two very small blocks with threads in it hidden on the underside of the egg crate? youre telling me that a 2 foot chunk of plastic is the best gm can do to figure out how to mount a plate? come on al, even you arent that one sided to assume that a flat huge chunk of plastic is the best they can figure out. especially with the awesome way gm handled front plates with trans ams and corvettes with removable panels for the enthusiast or states that dont run them.

[sweetbmxrider]

I photoshopped it some and it looks good as a whole grill and no bowtie. I didn't save it cause my battery died lulz.

[donnj]

seems as though they are slowly catching the Euro scene, by the time they have it figured out the Euro market will have a new theme. But of course al will have it all figured out by then once again

[Slow-V6]

So this car is just called a SS?

[Mike]

So this car is just called a SS?

Yup

[Slow-V6]

What effect will that have on other cars in the line up that has SS as well? Camaro, Ect?

[Mike]

Why would it do anything to them? And ta just the camaro now

[sweetbmxrider]

What effect will that have on other cars in the line up that has SS as well? Camaro, Ect?

The high performance option will be called SS :nick:

[BigAls87Z28]

Fixed in more ways than one.

It is. How many car enthusiasts in this state don't run one? How many states even require one? Like John said, there's other ways of doing it.

ok so how hard is it to include two very small blocks with threads in it hidden on the underside of the egg crate? youre telling me that a 2 foot chunk of plastic is the best gm can do to figure out how to mount a plate? come on al, even you arent that one sided to assume that a flat huge chunk of plastic is the best they can figure out. especially with the awesome way gm handled front plates with trans ams and corvettes with removable panels for the enthusiast or states that dont run them.


https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBOTWHqeZb45UU3nrIoqcaExym2A6jt kMA7NuZALgDX8nzF9VBgw


*facepalm*
You guys realize that this is made for ANOTHER COUNTRY. Stop thinking of America-only. FFS....

[PolarBear]

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBOTWHqeZb45UU3nrIoqcaExym2A6jt kMA7NuZALgDX8nzF9VBgw

Whats that designating on the map? It's too little to read :facepalm:

[NastyEllEssWon]

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBOTWHqeZb45UU3nrIoqcaExym2A6jt kMA7NuZALgDX8nzF9VBgw


*facepalm*
You guys realize that this is made for ANOTHER COUNTRY. Stop thinking of America-only. FFS....



ok so youre saying theyd rather just phone it in and slap on a few badges and bring over a lame ass version of car that was supposed to be heralded as gm's new flagship halo car, 4 door corvette. its a shame. hell the volt looks more dramatic than this car. just because its from another country doesnt mean they cant clean a few things up about it

[Slow-V6]

Why would it do anything to them? And ta just the camaro now

The high performance option will be called SS :nick:



IDK.. Its like calling the car a Z28 and then having a Camaro tagged Z28 as well. Just doest seem right to me. If they call it a Chevy SS then that should get rid of the SS names on other models since SS is now its own car.

Whats the non High performance model called?

[NastyEllEssWon]

IDK.. Its like calling the car a Z28 and then having a Camaro tagged Z28 as well. Just doest seem right to me. If they call it a Chevy SS then that should get rid of the SS names on other models since SS is now its own car.

Whats the non High performance model called?


he means the high performance camaro will be the ss. this car will only be sold in a high performance model known as the ss. if they do come out with a model like mike was saying and its supercharged i wouldnt be surprised if they took a page out of Holdens book and call it the SS-V or SS-Z although i kinda like the sound of SS-SC :D

[Slow-V6]

So a Chevy SS and a Chevy Camaro SS.

[BonzoHansen]

ok so youre saying theyd rather just phone it in and slap on a few badges and bring over a lame ass version of car that was supposed to be heralded as gm's new flagship halo car, 4 door corvette. its a shame. hell the volt looks more dramatic than this car. just because its from another country doesnt mean they cant clean a few things up about it

i don't see this as a 'halo' car. the vette is that. the V series is. to a lessor degree the ZL1 is.

[WildBillyT]

he means the high performance camaro will be the ss. this car will only be sold in a high performance model known as the ss. if they do come out with a model like mike was saying and its supercharged i wouldnt be surprised if they took a page out of Holdens book and call it the SS-V or SS-Z although i kinda like the sound of SS-SC :D

This has happened before at GM. At least three times. No biggie.

[donnj]

calling all grand-pa's, calling all grand-pa's gayal has spoken no need to visit the Lincoln Motor Car Co. any more for those "super-lux" palm beach editions. BOLO for the Chevy SS or the "DORE"

HOT OFF THE "INSIDE" NEWS REEL, FREE Dingo with every purchase...

[wrong generation]

a bunch of the people i regularly see on xbox are from australia and they say the commodore is a total piece of crap and that the car is being discontinued as of 2014. and that some people will throw the chevy badges onto the car to try and get respect.

i would have no problems with an austrialian car coming here as that an austrialian car. but its majorly screwed up that the only thing gm can think to do is bring a car here from another country put their own badges on it rename it and claim it as an american car. they need to get their head out of their asses and start designing and building actual american cars here.

[Tru2Chevy]

What I have read makes it seem like they plan to sell the VF Commodore through 2015 or 2016, then replace it with a global GM platform that will also be called Commodore. Sales of the Commodore have slumped some recently but since 2008 they have averaged ~42,500 Commodores sold in Australia each year, including a dip to only 30,532 last year when everyone knew a refresh was coming.

This car was designed from the beginning to be sold as a Chevy here. It's not like they are buying cars from another company and rebadging them, GM has owned Holden since 1931. Holden is just another GM brand, just isn't one of the 4 that is sold in the US. I'm all about the US auto industry (all 8 vehicles I've owned were from the big 3, and only 1, my '91 Lumina was built outside the US, in the Oshawa plant), but in order to keep costs down GM will have to rely at least partially on design and manufacturing from their brands in other countries, and I have no problem with that.

- Justin

[sweetbmxrider]

So a Chevy SS and a Chevy Camaro SS.

I was just being a dick. I get what you are saying and its kinda lame. Why not just bring Impala back again or something like that.

[WildBillyT]

So a Chevy SS and a Chevy Camaro SS.

I get your point, but I dunno if it matters much.

Because all the new GTOs were actually Tempest GTOs, right?

Same with the 78+ Malibus? They are Chevelle Malibus? Cool, I drive a Chevelle.

Oh yeah, and don't forget the Novas. They were originally Chevy II Novas. Hell, mine is one. So I guess I drive 2 of the 3 cars that fit the bill.

[BonzoHansen]

There was a 1981 Bel Aire. I found that out yesterday and threw up in my mouth a little

[BigAls87Z28]

a bunch of the people i regularly see on xbox are from australia and they say the commodore is a total piece of crap and that the car is being discontinued as of 2014. and that some people will throw the chevy badges onto the car to try and get respect.

Oh, a bunch of people on xbox said that the Commodore is a piece of crap. Well, that settles it.

i would have no problems with an austrialian car coming here as that an austrialian car. but its majorly screwed up that the only thing gm can think to do is bring a car here from another country put their own badges on it rename it and claim it as an american car. they need to get their head out of their asses and start designing and building actual american cars here.

LOLWUT? So GM can't bring cars to America if they are made in other countries? Please tell that to Ford and Chrysler.

What I have read makes it seem like they plan to sell the VF Commodore through 2015 or 2016, then replace it with a global GM platform that will also be called Commodore. Sales of the Commodore have slumped some recently but since 2008 they have averaged ~42,500 Commodores sold in Australia each year, including a dip to only 30,532 last year when everyone knew a refresh was coming.

VF will last another 3-4 years, but the Commodore has lost retail market share to smaller cars over the last few years due to the increase in fuel prices. Commodore is still one of the best selling cars in Australia, and that says a lot. Ford has lost a lot of market share with the Falcon, which is why Ford plans on killing that off very soon and replacing it with the next-gen Taurus.

The debate for the next Commodore rages on. GM/Holden could do what Ford is doing and use an NG Impala for down under and Holden would like to make it locally, whatever it turns out to be. Rumors of them using Alpha pop up here and there, but that's going to be an expensive venture for them to make a small number of cars using that chassis.

This car was designed from the beginning to be sold as a Chevy here. It's not like they are buying cars from another company and rebadging them, GM has owned Holden since 1931. Holden is just another GM brand, just isn't one of the 4 that is sold in the US. I'm all about the US auto industry (all 8 vehicles I've owned were from the big 3, and only 1, my '91 Lumina was built outside the US, in the Oshawa plant), but in order to keep costs down GM will have to rely at least partially on design and manufacturing from their brands in other countries, and I have no problem with that.

- Justin

Chevrolet and Holden will be sharing the same design themes. If you look at Holden's line up, it consists of just about all the cars Chevrolet has up until Malibu.

GM is a company that makes cars around the world, but only they are stupid/lazy/dumb/non-American if they use that to their advantage. I love you guys.

[sweetbmxrider]

We <3 you too.

[Slow-V6]

I get your point, but I dunno if it matters much.

Because all the new GTOs were actually Tempest GTOs, right?

Same with the 78+ Malibus? They are Chevelle Malibus? Cool, I drive a Chevelle.

Oh yeah, and don't forget the Novas. They were originally Chevy II Novas. Hell, mine is one. So I guess I drive 2 of the 3 cars that fit the bill.


All the 04-06 GTO's were tempest? I dont know about that one. Didnt realize GM had a Tempest in 04-06.

Like I said before its like naming a car a Z28 or a WS6. To me it just doesnt sound right.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

All the 04-06 GTO's were tempest? I dont know about that one. Didnt realize GM had a Tempest in 04-06.

Based on what he's saying in the rest of his post, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that WildBillyT is being sarcastic. :wink:

[WildBillyT]

All the 04-06 GTO's were tempest? I dont know about that one. Didnt realize GM had a Tempest in 04-06.

Like I said before its like naming a car a Z28 or a WS6. To me it just doesnt sound right.

Based on what he's saying in the rest of his post, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that WildBillyT is being sarcastic. :wink:

Yep, being sarcastic.

I was pointing out that GM has taken a trim level and turned it into a model 3 times already, maybe even more. It's not that big a travesty as everybody makes it out to be. Been done before. Yeah, "SS" carries more weight than "GTO", "Malibu" and "Nova", but all the names are iconic in their own right.

I personally feel that a RWD V8 Chevrolet deserves the SS moniker, and if it's as its full name then so be it.

I feel that the real travesty is throwing the SS badge on FWD econoboxes and non-V8 trucks.

Case in point:

Yes, they named this "SS"

http://stwot.motortrend.com/files/2013/02/2014-Chevrolet-SS-front-side-view-2-623x389.jpg

With its RWD 400hp V8.

In my opinion it deserves it as a "full name" better than this did as a "trim level":

http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/47575154.jpg

With 180hp of pure V6 fury and a body kit.

[NastyEllEssWon]

they had a truck called the 454 ss as well. been done as a trim level on a chevelle, turned into a model of a truck.


back on topic. i think everyone understands gm bringing cars from around their worldly line up to america. i think the problem is that everyone was excited how gm built up the reveal of this car. that by the time they actually did reveal it, the reveal flopped. especially in press photos and reveal color. not only that, but after 4 years of waiting for this car to make its way back to america....we get a rental car version of it instead. instead of something badass looking. i mean really its not hard to clean that up a bit. give it an aggressive cowl style hood and clean up the grille and lose the cheap looking audi led's in the bottom turn signals.

win.

[Slow-V6]

they had a truck called the 454 ss as well. been done as a trim level on a chevelle, turned into a model of a truck.


back on topic. i think everyone understands gm bringing cars from around their worldly line up to america. i think the problem is that everyone was excited how gm built up the reveal of this car. that by the time they actually did reveal it, the reveal flopped. especially in press photos and reveal color. not only that, but after 4 years of waiting for this car to make its way back to america....we get a rental car version of it instead. instead of something badass looking. i mean really its not hard to clean that up a bit. give it an aggressive cowl style hood and clean up the grille and lose the cheap looking audi led's in the bottom turn signals.

win.


I completely agree with you..

[Mike]

454ss was still a trim level on the truck. It's a silverado

[BigAls87Z28]

Impala was also a trim that became a car.

[Savage_Messiah]

lose the cheap looking audi led's in the bottom turn signals.

Yeah, Audis are cheap :nick:

[NastyEllEssWon]

Yeah, Audis are cheap :nick:



the cars might not be cheap but that design executed by gm is certainly pretty cheap and tacky looking.

[LTb1ow]

the cars might not be cheap but that design executed by gm is certainly pretty cheap and tacky looking.

You and Al would be a awesome debate, neither one of you budges from your thoughts.

I think you are being a little harsh, GM needs to streamline themselves before they start making "odd" cars again. So while you would care that this will be a SS and perhaps ruin the image of the SS, the mass consumer that will actually buy this car, has no ****s to give about the heritage or that BS.

If GM catered to the views of this site, they would have a line up of gutted, RWD, fast cars that no one buys. And a diesel colarado, that would sell like hot cakes :nod:

[PolarBear]

Impala was also a trim that became a car.

Not sure if you're serious or :bertstare:

[sweetbmxrider]

I like the leds, don't mind the overall look, hate the grill, love the tail lights :D

[BigAls87Z28]

Not sure if you're serious or :bertstare:

In 1958, the Impala was the top level trim on the Bel Air.
In 1959, it became it's own car. This went on for years as GM used names to separate trims. I believe we went over this.
Same for Caprice and Malibu, but Bill already said Malibu.

[BigAls87Z28]

You and Al would be a awesome debate, neither one of you budges from your thoughts.



Difference is I change my tune between cars, but Nasty is just a **** to be a **** so he can **** over threads like this. You ******** do it as a joke, but Nasty does it because he thinks his posts keep me awake at night.

None of this car is "boring", but it's not an exotic supercar, an I guess that's what Nasty sees when he looks at that white Lumina SS he always posts. That thing is a mayo sandwich on two slices of wonder bread with the crust cut off, served with a glass of milk bland, but he has the balls to call the SS "boring"?

It's cute.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Actually I would say that this is one of the few threads that Nasty isn't being a troll and just spouting his thoughts, much like you are. You people argue like looks are facts.

[sweetbmxrider]

Difference is I change my tune between cars, but Nasty is just a **** to be a **** so he can **** over threads like this. You ******** do it as a joke, but Nasty does it because he thinks his posts keep me awake at night.

None of this car is "boring", but it's not an exotic supercar, an I guess that's what Nasty sees when he looks at that white Lumina SS he always posts. That thing is a mayo sandwich on two slices of wonder bread with the crust cut off, served with a glass of milk bland, but he has the balls to call the SS "boring"?

It's cute.

We could tell by the tail lights :-P

[Jersey Mike]

At least it's not a convertible, right Nick?

[WildBillyT]

Difference is I change my tune between cars, but Nasty is just a **** to be a **** so he can **** over threads like this. You ******** do it as a joke, but Nasty does it because he thinks his posts keep me awake at night.

None of this car is "boring", but it's not an exotic supercar, an I guess that's what Nasty sees when he looks at that white Lumina SS he always posts. That thing is a mayo sandwich on two slices of wonder bread with the crust cut off, served with a glass of milk bland, but he has the balls to call the SS "boring"?

It's cute.

It could look like a supercar but then I'm sure people would bitch that it's not affordable.

M5 taste on an Aveo budget.

[Jersey Mike]

I'm actually excited to see what these things will look like when there's an aftermarket for them & enthusiasts start playing with the aesthetics.

I see a lot of G8 still here.


http://imageshack.us/a/img507/2164/vfssvshowcar03.jpg

[PolarBear]

In 1958, the Impala was the top level trim on the Bel Air.
In 1959, it became it's own car.

I didn't know that. You and I had not been over that :wink:

[BonzoHansen]

In 1958, the Impala was the top level trim on the Bel Air.
In 1959, it became it's own car. This went on for years as GM used names to separate trims. I believe we went over this.
Same for Caprice and Malibu, but Bill already said Malibu.

Not sure that is the same as this. In your examples the impala and chevelle were new terms/names applied to cars with established names. This car has no name. And SS is a well documented performance/option package moniker. SS has been used for over 50 years and has always been a suffix – Impala SS, Camaro SS, etc.

The 2014 SS. Sounds odd to me no matter how you slice it. Honestly sounds like they ran out of ideas and just said **** it.

[Slow-V6]

I'm actually excited to see what these things will look like when there's an aftermarket for them & enthusiasts start playing with the aesthetics.

I see a lot of G8 still here.


http://imageshack.us/a/img507/2164/vfssvshowcar03.jpg

That looks really nice as a Holden but that picture of the Chevy version it looks like a rental car lumina!

[sweetbmxrider]

So would you guys with the name beef rather have the cruze called a nova? Like dodge did with the "dart"?

[BonzoHansen]

I think it needs a name since SS has historically been a suffix and Chevy has no alpha/numeric named cars in the lineup (M5, G8, etc). I'm not sure what your comment relates to. If they called it a nova i'd complain, but that would be a different argument, at least IMO.

[Jersey Mike]

That looks really nice as a Holden but that picture of the Chevy version it looks like a rental car lumina!


They look almost exactly the same though?

Dual tips, shark fin antenna, badge & rims. Those are the only difference my eyes see...


http://imageshack.us/a/img507/2164/vfssvshowcar03.jpg

http://ls1tech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Chevrolet-SS-2.jpg




That looks really nice as a Holden but that picture of the Chevy version it looks like a rental car lumina!

Again, here is the Holden version versus the Chevy version.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/gallery/data/525/VFSSVShowCar-01_153449.jpg



http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/2014-Chevrolet-SS-Sedan-Front-3-4-Left-Angle-627x403.jpg



I guess I just fail to see how you can like one and not the identical twin?


:?: Remove the badges.

[sweetbmxrider]

Maybe they did it because it looks so docile and like a rental car to most on here. Most people don't know **** about the historical significance of any name for a car. They hear corvette and think of a fast sleek 2 door sports car. Camaro as affordable muscle. Impala is a nice riding family car. So you have this performance sedan that you stick any old name on and it can get lost in the new car world. You throw the "SS" at it and most people will know that an ss is a high performing car, even if it looks like nothing more than a rental car lumina. That's my slightly biased, mostly uneducated midday thought on the topic :)

Mike: I think a brighter, more energetic color and black wheels would really set the car off better. I also can't tell if it has the painted lower side skirts.

Al: Definitely let me know when you get your hands on one. I want to see it first hand please.

[BonzoHansen]

Could have been a <name> SS and not just SS. I dunno, sounds funny to me is all. Kind of like if they just sold a TA and not a Firebird Trans Am or a GT and not a Mustang GT. After hearing a term used one way my whole life hearing it suddenly being used another is just strange, that is all. They've altered the accepted nomenclature

I like it overall and want to see a real one in person.

[Mike]

Could have just called it a commodore. Lol

[BonzoHansen]

Could have just called it a commodore. Lol

64? :kneeslap:

[sweetbmxrider]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT0y4hYpxbGVFYF1gAnNVTQcp5XOoerv dlfnu20d5u6IKrhnz8L

[Blackbirdws6]

Orange makes everything look better.

[LTb1ow]

Orange makes everything look better.

Except gingers. :bertstare:

[BonzoHansen]

Oh http://static.caloriecount.about.com/images/medium/ginger-snaps-cookies-59073.jpg!

[Slow-V6]

the back of the car looks good. the front is what i wish were a little more aggresive..

[Blackbirdws6]

Except gingers. :bertstare:

I was simply referencing that the body lines are better seen with a color such as orange. Your comment regarding gingers was not only highly offensive but speaks to the typical discrimination amongst the younger crowd for those that are different. I would ask that the moderators of this board take notice of this and deliver the appropriate adminstrative action towards you........

Ahhh who am I kidding....lulz :rofl:

http://theathleticnerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/youre-killing-me-smalls-ham.jpg

[BonzoHansen]

Would you like him drawn and quartered or shot at dawn?

[V]

Kind of like if they just sold a TA and not a Firebird Trans Am or a GT and not a Mustang GT.

yea a "Ford GT", how silly...

lets thinks about the ssR truck from a few years ago.


regardless, full names if previously used can give the wrong connotation. remember the cadillac catera? last made in '02... or was it... what do you think CTS stands for.

ill continue later ... teacher is starting to talk.

[WildBillyT]

Could have been a <name> SS and not just SS. I dunno, sounds funny to me is all. Kind of like if they just sold a TA and not a Firebird Trans Am or a GT and not a Mustang GT. After hearing a term used one way my whole life hearing it suddenly being used another is just strange, that is all. They've altered the accepted nomenclature

I like it overall and want to see a real one in person.

They make a Ford GT.

:D

[BonzoHansen]

LOL I forgot about that car, stupid ford :) To nastyTroll, now that car is the definition of a Halo car.

And the ssr, why bring up that mess. makes the GTO look like a rousing success! SSR might be proof why SS is a dumb name.

[BigAls87Z28]

Wouldn't be the first time the SS designation was used for a car. Last time, it was a concept.

http://www.amcarguide.com/wp-content/gallery/2003-ss-chevy-concept/2003-chevy-ss-concept-super-sport-02.jpg

[LTb1ow]

Wouldn't be the first time the SS designation was used for a car. Last time, it was a concept.

http://www.amcarguide.com/wp-content/gallery/2003-ss-chevy-concept/2003-chevy-ss-concept-super-sport-02.jpg

Screams panamera or whatever the hell porsche designed while simultaneously snorting meth and shooting up bleach.

[WildBillyT]

Wouldn't be the first time the SS designation was used for a car. Last time, it was a concept.


Wasn't it CNG, too? Or was that the Charger concept?

[BonzoHansen]

Not a production car

[NastyEllEssWon]

Difference is I change my tune between cars, but Nasty is just a **** to be a **** so he can **** over threads like this. You ******** do it as a joke, but Nasty does it because he thinks his posts keep me awake at night.

None of this car is "boring", but it's not an exotic supercar, an I guess that's what Nasty sees when he looks at that white Lumina SS he always posts. That thing is a mayo sandwich on two slices of wonder bread with the crust cut off, served with a glass of milk bland, but he has the balls to call the SS "boring"?
It's cute.

lol exotic super car? trolling to be trolling? ass to be an ass? wow my guess is that my opinions on this car have given you the red ass. I dont care about the interior modifications, i dont need all the bells and whistles. what im not fine with is that gm hyped this car up and delivered another lame me too front clip.

My whole fascination with the Lumina SS front end is that it destinctly reminds me of what a chevy performance car looks like. wide open mouth, low chin squeezed in between some headlights and low parking lamps. Some may not like the cheese wedge shape of the old z28's, z24's and z26's but I do and I was hoping this would be along the same lines of heritage thats carried out through the years.

Actually I would say that this is one of the few threads that Nasty isn't being a troll and just spouting his thoughts, much like you are. You people argue like looks are facts.


Thats my point. Im actually in the market for the damn car. Ive been waiting for the reveal of this damn car. Im going to be buying my first brand new sports car and I want to make sure what I buy is the total package of what I want. If I wanted a LS3 RWD car with bland looks I'd already be the owner of a Pontiac G8. instead I was holding out for the ''4 door corvette'' gm promised which was going to be the basis for the next chevy NASCAR.

in all reality i was hoping for at least something Monte Carlo esque looking.


I just dont see how GM can go from this...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GD4hWFHtvJc/TIbikWqBleI/AAAAAAAACcs/SzVnYAsyYzo/s1600/Chevrolet+(1).jpg


to this...

http://autoweek.com/storyimage/CW/20130220/CARNEWS01/130229986/V7/0/2014-Chevy-SS.jpg

[Tru2Chevy]

Wasn't it CNG, too? Or was that the Charger concept?

'99 Charger R/T concept was CNG:

http://www.supercars.net/carpics/425/1999_Dodge_ChargerRTConcept3.jpg

- Justin

[Savage_Messiah]

lol exotic super car? trolling to be trolling? ass to be an ass? wow my guess is that my opinions on this car have given you the red ass. I dont care about the interior modifications, i dont need all the bells and whistles. what im not fine with is that gm hyped this car up and delivered another lame me too front clip.

My whole fascination with the Lumina SS front end is that it destinctly reminds me of what a chevy performance car looks like. wide open mouth, low chin squeezed in between some headlights and low parking lamps. Some may not like the cheese wedge shape of the old z28's, z24's and z26's but I do and I was hoping this would be along the same lines of heritage thats carried out through the years.




Thats my point. Im actually in the market for the damn car. Ive been waiting for the reveal of this damn car. Im going to be buying my first brand new sports car and I want to make sure what I buy is the total package of what I want. If I wanted a LS3 RWD car with bland looks I'd already be the owner of a Pontiac G8. instead I was holding out for the ''4 door corvette'' gm promised which was going to be the basis for the next chevy NASCAR.

in all reality i was hoping for at least something Monte Carlo esque looking.


I just dont see how GM can go from this...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GD4hWFHtvJc/TIbikWqBleI/AAAAAAAACcs/SzVnYAsyYzo/s1600/Chevrolet+(1).jpg


to this...

http://autoweek.com/storyimage/CW/20130220/CARNEWS01/130229986/V7/0/2014-Chevy-SS.jpg

You really can't? Top looks like any generic car from the 90's. Bottom looks modern.

[Mike]

Yeah. That red car is dated as ****

[Slow-V6]

Bottom looks like a modern rental car! Top one looks like a G8 without the hood. Much more sporty then the bottom. If you were to ask me which one of those to I would name SS, it would be the top one.

[Jersey Mike]

Prime example of different strokes.

At quick glances, I saw a Cobalt SS with the eBay package. To my eyes, the red car looks cheap and too reminiscent of the old image that GM is trying to shake. The new one looks smooth, refined and professional--Something you would drive to the office, romp on, and later take as an evening car. The red --again to me-- doesn't look the part.

[sweetbmxrider]

I agree Mike. I saw a body kit on a cobalt when I first looked at it.

[Slow-V6]

There trying to get rid of there image from the 90's were they actually sold cars to there new image were they went bankrupt? GM cars in the 90's were cheap, reliable, and looked good... GM cars today are nicer, More expensive, and reliable.

Thats the difference I see between my 2002 T/A and my 2009 G8. The G8 is a much better made car but cost more then my T/A which was a cheaper made car but cost less and sold better.

I heard that these new Chevy SS are gonna be around 40,000.

BTW GM sold over 1,000,000 Colbolts since 2004. Thats pretty damn good in my opinion.

[WildBillyT]

I think it's really tough to see what they are trying to do.

What's better?

Car A, which appeals to enthusiasts idea of "looks" and costs $45k and sells 20,000 cars a year

Car B, which looks more "modern" but is a bit stodgy to gearheads, costs $35k, and sells 50,000 cars.

I think Car B is better for GM, and looks like what we may be getting.

I do not care if it looks like a rental car as long as I can get my hands on it and it's a strong performer. The Superbird looked aggressive and it sold like a steaming fat pile of whale ****.

[LTb1ow]

There trying to get rid of there image from the 90's were they actually sold cars to there new image were they went bankrupt? GM cars in the 90's were cheap, reliable, and looked good... GM cars today are nicer, More expensive, and reliable.

Thats the difference I see between my 2002 T/A and my 2009 G8. The G8 is a much better made car but cost more then my T/A which was a cheaper made car but cost less and sold better.

I heard that these new Chevy SS are gonna be around 40,000.

BTW GM sold over 1,000,000 Colbolts since 2004. Thats pretty damn good in my opinion.

You are comparing a G8 to a ratty 4th gen?

It should be fairly obvious the cheaper car sold better, it was sold for longer...

Apples to apples here at least..

[NastyEllEssWon]

so how many of you guys that actual like it are going to be buying one?


exactly my point.

they can appeal to the masses all they want, but if they have a low volume car, geared towards enthusiasts and named the Super Sport...youd expect it to be at least slightly sporty. if they were just gonna rebadge the car and bring it over, then how come for the last few years theyve been saying they couldnt do exactly that when the g8 died.

[WildBillyT]

so how many of you guys that actual like it are going to be buying one?


exactly my point.

they can appeal to the masses all they want, but if they have a low volume car, geared towards enthusiasts and named the Super Sport...youd expect it to be at least slightly sporty. if they were just gonna rebadge the car and bring it over, then how come for the last few years theyve been saying they couldnt do exactly that when the g8 died.

If it gets decent enough mileage numbers and they don't gouge pricing I will put my money where my mouth is.

but if they have a low volume car, geared towards enthusiasts and named the Super Sport...youd expect it to be at least slightly sporty. if they were just gonna rebadge the car and bring it over, then how come for the last few years theyve been saying they couldnt do exactly that when the g8 died.

If that's their goal then they will have problems. I was under the impression that this is supposed to be a full sized American sports coupe. Trying to hang with the 5 series crowd and take a bite out of that apple.

[LTb1ow]

so how many of you guys that actual like it are going to be buying one?


exactly my point.

they can appeal to the masses all they want, but if they have a low volume car, geared towards enthusiasts and named the Super Sport...youd expect it to be at least slightly sporty. if they were just gonna rebadge the car and bring it over, then how come for the last few years theyve been saying they couldnt do exactly that when the g8 died.

Nasty, that sounds a lot like the BiGal excuse as to why our opinions do not count.

Can't afford it, so your view is null.

It looks modern and not that bad, for a 4 door family sedan I think it will sell well to normal people who may want a lil pep in their car. The small car enthusiast niche market is a horrible thing to base your marketing on.

[NastyEllEssWon]

I think it's really tough to see what they are trying to do.

What's better?

Car A, which appeals to enthusiasts idea of "looks" and costs $45k and sells 20,000 cars a year

Car B, which looks more "modern" but is a bit stodgy to gearheads, costs $35k, and sells 50,000 cars.

I think Car B is better for GM, and looks like what we may be getting.




actually im pretty sure i read somewhere that theyre only planning on importing a small volume of these cars. so if theyre trying to sell a low number of vehicles to appease the enthusiasts...why are they showing the car with a me too front end?

[Slow-V6]

You are comparing a G8 to a ratty 4th gen?

It should be fairly obvious the cheaper car sold better, it was sold for longer...

Apples to apples here at least..


I am comparing a Pontiac to another Pontiac. Fine I will compare the G8 to my old 96 Grand Prix. The Grand Prix was cheaper but it was reliable and sold a ton more then my 09 G8 which was better made but more expensive. People didnt care that the car had a V8 motor in it when it costs 30,000+, when normal people can get a Sonata for 20,000. If people had a choice between a 20,000 Grand Prix or a 20,000 Hyndai then its a tougher decision.

[WildBillyT]

actually im pretty sure i read somewhere that theyre only planning on importing a small volume of these cars. so if theyre trying to sell a low number of vehicles to appease the enthusiasts...why are they showing the car with a me too front end?

Might just be to test the waters though. I know GM is known for being as strategic as a game of Battleship but there's got to be more going on here.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Nasty, that sounds a lot like the BiGal excuse as to why our opinions do not count.

Can't afford it, so your view is null.

It looks modern and not that bad, for a 4 door family sedan I think it will sell well to normal people who may want a lil pep in their car. The small car enthusiast niche market is a horrible thing to base your marketing on.




no my point is that while the masses may like the car and think its modern and sleek...i keep reading that this is going to be a low import run per year with sales expectations somewhere around 10-20k units or something, might even be lower. why make a low production enthusiasts car and gear it towards the masses. i just dont understand that logic

[LTb1ow]

no my point is that while the masses may like the car and think its modern and sleek...i keep reading that this is going to be a low import run per year with sales expectations somewhere around 10-20k units or something, might even be lower. why make a low production enthusiasts car and gear it towards the masses. i just dont understand that logic

I was not aware of that, was under the impression this was to be a mass produced regular line up car.

[Slow-V6]

If it gets decent enough mileage numbers and they don't gouge pricing I will put my money where my mouth is.



If that's their goal then they will have problems. I was under the impression that this is supposed to be a full sized American sports coupe. Trying to hang with the 5 series crowd and take a bite out of that apple.



Our G8 gets 17 mpg combinded City/Hgwy. Around the city in stop and go it gets 15 and on the Highway best we saw was 25. The LS3 GXP's got even worse gas miles due to not having 4 cylinder cutoff like the G8's with the 6.0. Not sure if the SS will have the LS3 with a 4 cyl cutoff or not.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Might just be to test the waters though. I know GM is known for being as strategic as a game of Battleship but there's got to be more going on here.



like i said to what mike posted. if they somehow find a way to offer this car with the LSA, magnetic ride and a six speed as a higher up model with a more aggressive look...then yeah i understand. but since we cant even be sure if this model will even be sold for any longer than the gto and g8 were, im just gonna go by face value and say that right now it just falls a few pumpkins short of the patch.

[Slow-V6]

GM dubbed this car as the Ultimite SS ever made.

The car is coming Fully loaded with all the options unlike the G8's did. I see why people are saying this will be in the 40,000 price range then.

19 inch wheels, Brembo brakes, Bose system, Navigation, ect..

The G8 GT standard like ours has 18 inch wheels, None Brembo brakes, none Bose system, No Navigation and I believe brand new our G8 was around 33,000 back in 2009.

[sweetbmxrider]

This is going to be a real nice car and it won't sell huge. Not with the consumer mindset nowadays. I'm just happy GM has the balls to bring such a car to their lineup. Who even likes that look at me I'm an attention whore styling anyways?

[Slow-V6]

So this car is targeted at the Car enthusiast correct? I think that us being F-body people that we are what GM has targeted as car enthusiast since we are who buys GM performance cars. How many of us will be buying this car then? I am not asking if you had the money you would or that one day I will, I am asking when this thing comes out who will be at the dealership waiting to get there brand new Chevy SS? I wont.. This will be a quick way to see how successfull this car will be or not be. If they cant sell it to us, the people who buy GM V8 performance cars, then I think this car will not sell well..

[sweetbmxrider]

:lol: Yeah, I wonder what the actual target market is? Guys who wanted a vette but ended up with a baby? :lol:

[NastyEllEssWon]

:lol: Yeah, I wonder what the actual target market is? Guys who wanted a vette but ended up with a baby? :lol:



LOL i guess I kinda fall in that demographic so probably :D :kneeslap:

[Slow-V6]

:lol: Yeah, I wonder what the actual target market is? Guys who wanted a vette but ended up with a baby? :lol:

Could very well be.

My wife got her G8 because she loved the way it looks. I told her to get the V8 because the V6 was around the same price and it did not have that much better gas miles. The bright side with the G8's V8 is that it tuned to take 87 octane. It gets ****** gas miles but at least it doesnt run on premium. If we had to do it over again we probably would have gotton a Malibu or a Sonata. They get better gas miles then the G8's. Dont get me wrong I love the G8 but getting 250-300 miles per tank is pretty crappy compared to the other cars on the market. The GXP's probably get 200-250 miles per tank.

Between our 4 cars, the T/A, Vette, G8, and Jeep our Vette is the oldest and gets the best gas miles with around 22 combined and 28 on the hgwy.

So are you gonna buy one or no?

What else is a little odd is that this Chevy SS with the 415hp LS3 does 0-60 in around 5.0 seconds while the GXP LS3 415hp did it in 4.6 seconds.

[LTb1ow]

So basically, you should all buy diesel trucks, more hp/tq, better mpg, and a turbo whistle.

[Slow-V6]

So basically, you should all buy diesel trucks, more hp/tq, better mpg, and a turbo whistle.



I buy what I want to buy. At the time we wanted to buy a G8, now looking back we probably should have purchased a more Fuel efficiant car for my wifes DD.

Are you gonna be buying a SS?

[sweetbmxrider]

I'd love to but I'm in no market for a car.

[LTb1ow]

I buy what I want to buy. At the time we wanted to buy a G8, now looking back we probably should have purchased a more Fuel efficiant car for my wifes DD.

Are you gonna be buying a SS?

Do not need another ~20mpg car and I do not need a large sedan, will be looking at the diesel cruze this summer though.

[Mike]

Too small/big at the same time.

Have a Malibu, extended cab sierra, and the Tbss so the family sized needs are handled. And the Tbss handles the averagely fast requirement as well. Any new 4 doors will have 4 wheel drive. And any new cars will have 2 seats

[Slow-V6]

So far none of us GM car enthusiast will be buying this car. If we wont buy it and the car is geared towards us then who will buy it?

[LTb1ow]

So far none of us GM car enthusiast will be buying this car. If we wont buy it and the car is geared towards us then who will buy it?

Guys who wanted a vette and their wife said no.

[sweetbmxrider]

I'm assuming a demographic far beyond me.

[BonzoHansen]

Big gay al?

[Slow-V6]

i was just going by who gm said the car is geard towards.. i hear the whole vette thing.

this car has 3 major issues for me..

1. not aggresive enough especially with it called SS
2. will be around 40 grand.
3. if its like the GXP will avg 14/20 mpg..

its a nice car but not a car most gm gearheads would want and more importanatly buy.

[donnj]

comes with a big gay al lifesize doll to prop in the passenger seat, squeeze his hand and hes has all cool sayings, like.... "look how cool we are in this sedan, so glad I got you to buy this heap"

[BigAls87Z28]

Low production unit, $40k sports sedan from Chevrolet.
Where is the market for this car? GM's not looking for a big market, but I'm sure they can find 15k people a year to pick up a performance sedan. Look at who bought a G8 here? All have previous GM performance cars and all love GM performance as a whole. Even Nasty wants to buy the car, but only if it had a boring face on it.

GM also likes the fact that G8 GXPs have retained their value, so they realize that the demand for a car like that is still there, enough to sell the few thousand units a years. GM has cars like Cruze, Malibu, and Impala to take up the volume. This is done for S&G.

As for GM billing this as the "Ultimate SS" or a "four-door Corvette", I don't think they ever said anything like that, but please find me the quotes and I'll be more than happy to retract my statement.

[sweetbmxrider]

:dancinglock:

[donnj]

P L E A S E already

[chrisfrom nj]

its time to talk about the new vette

[NastyEllEssWon]

Even Nasty wants to buy the car, but only if it had a boring face on it.





you misunderstood. thats the reason i DONT want to buy this car.

[Slow-V6]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewdepaula/2013/02/21/2014-chevrolet-ss-revives-rear-wheel-drive-tradition-is-a-sign-of-strength-of-gm/

The big, brawny performance sedan—which Mark Reuss, president of General Motors North America, has called a “four-door Corvette”..

Forbes actually is the one that is calling it the Ultimite SS..

[chrisfrom nj]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewdepaula/2013/02/21/2014-chevrolet-ss-revives-rear-wheel-drive-tradition-is-a-sign-of-strength-of-gm/

The big, brawny performance sedan—which Mark Reuss, president of General Motors North America, has called a “four-door Corvette”..

Forbes actually is the one that is calling it the Ultimite SS..mark reuss must be smoking crack calling it a 4 door corvette i rather drive a real corvette then a ugly sedan that a guy smoking crack calls a vette and you people are madly in love with talking about it for 15 pages

[Mike]

you didnt read any of the 15 pages did you? everyone is hating on it......not "madly in love...

[Slow-V6]

you didnt read any of the 15 pages did you? everyone is hating on it......not "madly in love...

I am not hating on it. I will not buy one but I do think its a nice car and if it were named something other then SS I would really have no problem with it. I still wouldnt buy it but would not be giving it so much crap.

[Mike]

I am not hating on it. I will not buy one but I do think its a nice car and if it were named something other then SS I would really have no problem with it. I still wouldnt buy it but would not be giving it so much crap.

you mean if they had given it a NEW name... any rebranding of an old nameplate on this car would draw even more crap than calling it ss

[Slow-V6]

you mean if they had given it a NEW name... any rebranding of an old nameplate on this car would draw even more crap than calling it ss

IDK.. If they stopped the impalas and renamed this car the Chevy Impala, I would not have an issue. They could even add a SS version later on with more HP and what not. A new name all together would have been best, in my opinion. I just look at the Trailblazer SS, and the Camaro SS, and the old school Nova SS, Chevelle SS, and now the SS..

[sweetbmxrider]

you misunderstood. thats the reason i DONT want to buy this car.

Why are the pretty ones always so stupid????

[Featherburner]

Even Nasty wants to buy the car, but only if it had a boring face on it.

It has the most boring face possible now so I guess Nasty has already put his money down.

[BonzoHansen]

i just want to see it in person before I like or not. And the name thing just bothers me, but that is minor.

I am the demographic for this.

[sweetbmxrider]

I am the demographic for this.

I'm sorry :lol:

[BonzoHansen]

LOL

[PolarBear]

I would buy this car, if a manual transmission was an option. I see it as a logical next choice from the CTS (V), more affordable than the V and I still get a V8

[Slow-V6]

So far none of us GM Car enthusiasts will be waiting @ the dealership to buy this car. Most people have a issue whether if its the way it looks, not having a MT, price, ect. GM designed this car with Car guys in mind but none of us are going to buy it. I am sorry to admit it but from the way I see it GM has failed to make us actually buy this car. Hopefully the regular people who are not car buffs will be interested but with a car that will get 20-22mpg on the HGWY and use 93 octane I doubt they will.

[Jersey Mike]

So far none of us GM Car enthusiasts will be waiting @ the dealership to buy this car. Most people have a issue whether if its the way it looks, not having a MT, price, ect. GM designed this car with Car guys in mind but none of us are going to buy it. I am sorry to admit it but from the way I see it GM has failed to make us want this car. Hopefully the regular people who are not car buffs will be interested but with a car that will get 20-22mpg on the HGWY and use 93 octane I doubt they will.

This is a pretty small sample size to go off of though, don't you think?

[Slow-V6]

This is a pretty small sample size to go off of though, don't you think?

Yes it is. Thats why I said so far.. It could change.

[sweetbmxrider]

Who said I don't want the car?

[Slow-V6]

Who said I don't want the car?

Sorry I should have said make us actually buy this car.

[Mike]

You have to cut this sample of responses even smaller because the majority of this forum is single and no kids and has zero need for a four door wether they like it or not

[LTb1ow]

You have to cut this sample of responses even smaller because the majority of this forum is single and no kids and has zero need for a four door wether they like it or not

Assuming the majority of this forum ever buys things based on needs vs wants.

:rofl:

[Slow-V6]

Assuming the majority of this forum ever buys things based on needs vs wants.

:rofl:

Exactly! I have kids but still bought a Corvette. I didnt need it I just wanted it. Not alot of car people married, single, whatever want this SS bad enough to go out and buy it right away!

[PolarBear]

If they had a manual trans and station wagon version, I would take that too

[NastyEllEssWon]

Who said I don't want the car?



Wanting the car isnt putting 40 grand in GM's pocket. Thats the point he's making . Its funny because i havent seen one person just overjoyed and screaming from the rooftops TAKE MY MONEY like you saw when the camaro came back or when the gto/g8's came out. i remember tons of people were just like....yeah i gotta have that. havent seen it yet with the SS

[sweetbmxrider]

Wanting the car isnt putting 40 grand in GM's pocket. Thats the point he's making . Its funny because i havent seen one person just overjoyed and screaming from the rooftops TAKE MY MONEY like you saw when the camaro came back or when the gto/g8's came out. i remember tons of people were just like....yeah i gotta have that. havent seen it yet with the SS

I know this, he worded it incorrectly but then corrected after I responded. So like I said, I want the car. I won't be buying it though.

[NastyEllEssWon]

I know this, he worded it incorrectly but then corrected after I responded. So like I said, I want the car. I won't be buying it though.



lol i want the damn car too...but i'll be goddamned if im gonna spend 40 grand on a car that i dont like the looks of. Everything this car offers is something Im looking for. Utility, Safety Technology, LS series motor but its that damn front end. It would cost another 5 grand in just body parts to get the front end look I want then probably another 5 in matching paint. Lets hope that aftermarket grille makers can do something to clean this monstrosity up. :D

[WayFast84]

i was just going by who gm said the car is geard towards.. i hear the whole vette thing.

this car has 3 major issues for me..

1. not aggresive enough especially with it called SS
2. will be around 40 grand.
3. if its like the GXP will avg 14/20 mpg..

its a nice car but not a car most gm gearheads would want and more importanatly buy.

This. Everything. I could get an STI for the same price. Get the same mileage and do work on track days and have a beast for around town.

I think GM needs to build a new sport compact more than 4 door muscle cara right now. Do you think high school kids are begging for cruises and sonics for their first cars?

[Blackbirdws6]

This. Everything. I could get an STI for the same price. Get the same mileage and do work on track days and have a beast for around town.

I think GM needs to build a new sport compact more than 4 door muscle cara right now. Do you think high school kids are begging for cruises and sonics for their first cars?

Totally different cars and target market. Very few people will cross shop the SS and the STi. Fast sport compacts are not cheap so it doesnt matter what high school kids want. Not to mention insurance rates will not fit well with the same demographic.

[LTb1ow]

This. Everything. I could get an STI for the same price. Get the same mileage and do work on track days and have a beast for around town.

I think GM needs to build a new sport compact more than 4 door muscle cara right now. Do you think high school kids are begging for cruises and sonics for their first cars?

And this is the downfall of our country. When the hell did the notion of earning your own go?

[BonzoHansen]

^mr turbo dreams is correct. my 1st car was a 12 year old camaro i paid for myself.

[NastyEllEssWon]

This. Everything. I could get an STI for the same price. Get the same mileage and do work on track days and have a beast for around town.

I think GM needs to build a new sport compact more than 4 door muscle cara right now. Do you think high school kids are begging for cruises and sonics for their first cars?


lol in what world do you live in that a STI gets the same mileage as a LS3? subaru's high performance motors get the crappiest mileage ive seen out of a 4 banger on this side of the 2000's.

also what world do you live in where high school kids drive brand new 40,000 dollar cars?

[Savage_Messiah]

also what world do you live in where high school kids drive brand new 40,000 dollar cars?

:bertstare:

You're trolling with that, right?

[NastyEllEssWon]

:bertstare:

You're trolling with that, right?



nope being dead serious, i dont and havent known any high school kids that were driving around 40,000 dollar cars. most ive known ride around in 1500 dollar hoopties. lol hell i dont even remember knowing anyone that actually owns a 40,000 dollar brand new car.

[Savage_Messiah]

Do you... do you live in the inner city?

[V]

kasey, our area is an exception... Drive by the our HS's and you'll see new beemers, audis and mercs in the student parking lot.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Do you... do you live in the inner city?



not anymore. grew up in a pretty crappy neighborhood, but no the area i live in now is just normal middle class people who dont usually spend their entire years salary on a car for themselves, let alone for their children. If you live in an area where none of these are true and high school kids are driving around in 40,000 dollar cars then you must realize that isnt a very realistic portrayal of an average american neighborhood ;)

(40-50k is the average yearly wages for an american household)

[V]

(40-50k is the average yearly wages for an american household)

one town that attends the high schools here...
Estimated median household income in 2009: $166,988

[Mike]

nope being dead serious, i dont and havent known any high school kids that were driving around 40,000 dollar cars. most ive known ride around in 1500 dollar hoopties. lol hell i dont even remember knowing anyone that actually owns a 40,000 dollar brand new car.

You know me

[NastyEllEssWon]

one town that attends the high schools here...
Estimated median household income in 2009: $166,988


lol yeah thats not a very good portrayal of an average american town/high school population :D

You know me


i mean we've met a few times but I wouldnt say we really know each other. what I meant was people that I interact with and see on a daily basis. most of the people i know with nice cars bought them used...if they own new cars its usually cars under 30 grand...the ions/cobalts/cruz type deal. :D

[Savage_Messiah]

not anymore. grew up in a pretty crappy neighborhood, but no the area i live in now is just normal middle class people who dont usually spend their entire years salary on a car for themselves, let alone for their children. If you live in an area where none of these are true and high school kids are driving around in 40,000 dollar cars then you must realize that isnt a very realistic portrayal of an average american neighborhood ;)

(40-50k is the average yearly wages for an american household)

Not too average, but it does happen, and tbh if a company were to market a new car to the youth group, this is the target market, not the market where kids are in used cars.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Not too average, but it does happen, and tbh if a company were to market a new car to the youth group, this is the target market, not the market where kids are in used cars.




ummm actually the target market for the ss probably doesnt include kids. just saying.

[WayFast84]

Someone said the g8 GXP got 22 highway which is what the STI gets. I know the cars are extremely different it was just an example of a similar car priced similarly. Lets be honest middle class families buy their children newer cars(about 3 years old). Sure they are buying used but think about how big of an emotional attachment you had to your first car. If GM had a car that young people wanted as their first cars it could create loyalty and many future purchases.

Sure young people want the Camaro but even in its lower v6 trims its non sensible for a parent to give that to a kid on his/her 17th birthday.

So we got off topic. I'm still mad at GM for this flop.

Edit by similar car I mean 4 door performance.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Someone said the g8 GXP got 22 highway which is what the STI gets. I know the cars are extremely different it was just an example of a similar car priced similarly. Lets be honest middle class families buy their children newer cars(about 3 years old). Sure they are buying used but think about how big of an emotional attachment you had to your first car. If GM had a car that young people wanted as their first cars it could create loyalty and many future purchases.

Sure young people want the Camaro but even in its lower v6 trims its non sensible for a parent to give that to a kid on his/her 17th birthday.

So we got off topic. I'm still mad at GM for this flop.

Edit by similar car I mean 4 door performance.



lol what world are you living in man. average american middle class family the first car is usually bought by the kid, with their own money, they saved, from their job, that they worked. what world do parents just give 3 year old cars to kids with no driving experience. usually its a 1500 dollar toyota or a honda.

for the record i never had an emotional attachment to a car. there have been a few i regretted selling, but nothing to get teary eyed over...but thats probably just because i buy cars with the intentions of selling them after a few months for more money.

[Jersey Mike]

It's mixed. I know in my high school, and most/every surrounding town, the new/newer cars outnumbered the "beaters" by a large, large, large majority. The beauty of monthly payments/leases/what-have-you.


I wouldn't purchase a SS right now, as I do ~3,000 miles a month between home/work/girlfriend, so I'm riding my old 4-cylinder econobox for everything it's got, and taking advantage of the MPG savings. However, I do love the G8, and am encouraging my brother to purchase one in a few years. But, that's because I've seen the car in person & like it. I've yet to see the SS in person, but if it delivers, then that makes the decision a lot harder.

If my commute was shorter and easier on the pocket, then a 4-door GM vehicle that offers a balance of comfort, performance and class would definitely in the running.

[Slow-V6]

GXP G8's got 14 City and 20 Highway.

[WayFast84]

lol what world are you living in man. average american middle class family the first car is usually bought by the kid, with their own money, they saved, from their job, that they worked. what world do parents just give 3 year old cars to kids with no driving experience. usually its a 1500 dollar toyota or a honda.

for the record i never had an emotional attachment to a car. there have been a few i regretted selling, but nothing to get teary eyed over...but thats probably just because i buy cars with the intentions of selling them after a few months for more money. When was the last time you stepped into a high school or college parking lot? I must be living in a fantasy world when I go to class every day or when I did community service and observations in schools last year. Do you want me to take pictures of the parking lots at school?

[WildBillyT]

lol what world are you living in man. average american middle class family the first car is usually bought by the kid, with their own money, they saved, from their job, that they worked. what world do parents just give 3 year old cars to kids with no driving experience. usually its a 1500 dollar toyota or a honda.

for the record i never had an emotional attachment to a car. there have been a few i regretted selling, but nothing to get teary eyed over...but thats probably just because i buy cars with the intentions of selling them after a few months for more money.

People blow their $ on stupid stuff, Jay.

And you can take out a car loan on damn near anything.

[Savage_Messiah]

ummm actually the target market for the ss probably doesnt include kids. just saying.

That wasn't about the SS, it was for this off-topic part about making a car kids want.

[sweetbmxrider]

And just cause someone drives something doesn't mean they own it. I'm not doubting some kids being well off but face value isn't always the truth.

[V]

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/7/zip-codes-11_land.html


#1 spot in 2011... that town attends Kaseys High school and borders my town.

I totally agree it is NOT realistic to compare to "average" anything, only that this is what we saw when in HS and even now.

[Tru2Chevy]

Can't find the article I read earlier, but supposedly it has now been confirmed that the new SS will have an optional manual trans and magnetic ride control.

- Justin

[redsoxsstink]

Can't find the article I read earlier, but supposedly it has now been confirmed that the new SS will have an optional manual trans and magnetic ride control.

- Justin

http://wot.motortrend.com/1404_we_hear_2015_chevrolet_ss_getting_manual_tran smission_magnetic_ride_control.html