No more boat anchor LT1 - 2000 Trans Am

[ThoR294]

After giving up on getting a 16-17 SS because I am poor, I decided to start looking for a 00-02 trans am or ws6. WS6s are calling a lot of money, when really, everything would be replaced besides the hood.

So I posted on LS1tech with an ISO/WTB post and someone from NC messaged me saying he had a stock 00 TA. I sent carchex out to look at it, and he sent pics, very clean. Few days later, it is here at my doorstep

2000 Trans Am, ~119k miles, only mod was a t handle hurst shifter :bertstare:

https://i.imgur.com/cr8nNTFh.jpg

First mod was removing the handle, luckily the stock knob was in the glovebox
https://i.imgur.com/FlBWXHnh.jpg

First real mod was reverse LEDs, because yeah stock bulbs suck
https://i.imgur.com/0GguO9Kh.jpg

While in there, did some race car weight reduction with some help.
https://i.imgur.com/5jF3Eu7h.jpg

I have an SLP Lid for it and a tick short throw. Going to order madhammer (gmmg), strano/koni yellows, and hunt for some sportline 17s :shock:

I turned to the dark side, abandoning LT1 camp:mrgreen:

[IROCZman15]

cool, get out there and enjoy it

[LTb1ow]

So you bought an old 4th gen, but claim to be poor?

https://i.imgflip.com/4k1txx.jpg

[sweetbmxrider]

Shoulda got a 6th gen

[The_Bishop]

What did you end up paying for it?

[ThoR294]

So you bought an old 4th gen, but claim to be poor?


Never said I was smart

Shoulda got a 6th gen

I haven't driven one yet. Probably should have.... But I'm a firebird guy so kinda stuck

What did you end up paying for it?

8.5k.

[Joey D]

Nice. Too bad no ss. Prob gona offload mine

[ThoR294]

Nice. Too bad no ss. Prob gona offload mine

Yours is perfect someone gonna be lucky

[ThoR294]

Washed, and in garage. waiting for tensioners to get here, USPS decided to return them to sender.

https://i.imgur.com/bL3wKS4h.jpg

[ThoR294]

Now I know why the squeaking wasnt fixed before he sold it.

https://i.imgur.com/G6eZ97Th.jpg

****er is in there. Going to try to heat it up to get it out. If it was a regular bolt head it would be out

[ThoR294]

https://i.imgur.com/bXdlZ2Mh.jpeg

SLP lid installed. Damn air pump hose lol

Someone is sending me an extra ac bracket, my t50 stripped even under heat. So I'm gonna just put a new bracket on

[PolarBear]

Cool project

Hope you didn't toss that spare?

[ThoR294]

Cool project

Hope you didn't toss that spare?

Should be a good car. No it's in the shed lol why not toss it?

[PolarBear]

Should be a good car. No it's in the shed lol why not toss it?

I "collect" spares, lol. The 4th gen ones are great for rollers and bigger brake setups. I think I have 3 4th gen spares, but one is an LT1 style. Would love to get a couple more LS style ones :lol:

[ThoR294]

I "collect" spares, lol. The 4th gen ones are great for rollers and bigger brake setups. I think I have 3 4th gen spares, but one is an LT1 style. Would love to get a couple more LS style ones :lol:

Hahaha makes sense. I'll keep it. Maybe next time we actually have a meet I'll bring it for you

[PolarBear]

Sweet, thanks.
When I had to push my Formula into the garage I put 4 spares on it to make it easier to roll, worked well and it looked funny AF. Pushing it meant going uphill and across the sidewalk apron

[ThoR294]

Well since 2nd gear is ****ed. Might as well make it look nice...

https://i.imgur.com/16kjozch.jpg

[wretched73]

What's wrong with 2nd gear?

[ThoR294]

What's wrong with 2nd gear?

Grinds when trying to shift over 3k RPMs. Thanks to carchex for checking things like that lol. Oh well, now I have an excuse to upgrade it all

[wretched73]

When is the Tick stage 17 TR6060 being delivered?

[ThoR294]

When is the Tick stage 17 TR6060 being delivered?

I wish lol. Talking to Larry at 2nd gen about getting it rebuilt and monster clutch installed

[ThoR294]

Spoke with Larry. Going to do an LS7 clutch setup and a standard rebuild from drivetrain dynamics, making it secure for about 450hp/torque which i wont hit for a very long time lol. I might have him toss on the catback/ac bracket depending on how much the rebuild will run me

[ThoR294]

I tried to not go down rabbit hole... longtubes are ordered..... and maybe other things

[PolarBear]

Just put in a Magnum F and be done with it. Won't be much more than a rebuild

[ThoR294]

Just put in a Magnum F and be done with it. Won't be much more than a rebuild

Looks like magnum is like ~3500 that's about 2k more heh

[PolarBear]

If you're looking at internal upgrades with the rebuild you're going to come a lot closer to that price, and you can sell your trans for around $2k, most likely, and put it toward the Magnum F.

[ThoR294]

If you're looking at internal upgrades with the rebuild you're going to come a lot closer to that price, and you can sell your trans for around $2k, most likely, and put it toward the Magnum F.

T56s with bad synchros are 2k? Damn lol

[PolarBear]

T56s still go for stupid money. I remember when used LS T56s were around $1k, last I looked I couldn't find anything for less than $2500
You might not get $2k, but you should be able to get quite a bit for it

[ThoR294]

T56s still go for stupid money. I remember when used LS T56s were around $1k, last I looked I couldn't find anything for less than $2500
You might not get $2k, but you should be able to get quite a bit for it

Noted. Maybe I'll do that. Depends on my funds lol

[PolarBear]

My friend sent me an ad this morning, LS T56 $3000

[ThoR294]

My friend sent me an ad this morning, LS T56 $3000

well... then... lol maybe ill just do the magnum

[B4C]

well... then... lol maybe ill just do the magnum

After I priced out a rebuild I just went with the Magnum f. Plus if you buy used you don't know what your getting, some people will knowingly sell you garbage for a premium price and not care.

[ThoR294]

After I priced out a rebuild I just went with the Magnum f. Plus if you buy used you don't know what your getting, some people will knowingly sell you garbage for a premium price and not care.

Kinda like this car. Oops. Lol

Yeah agreed. I'm too nice so when I sell this one I will tell them about 2nd

[ThoR294]

Talked to Larry. getting price on magnum F instead. just makes more sense for sure lol thanks polar bears!!!!

[ThoR294]

https://i.imgur.com/NoTkYRWh.jpg

will be an accurate plate soon

[ThoR294]

Acquired ls7 clutch, fast 92 intake, Nick Williams TB, Bosch 36 injectors, Delphi 85mm maf and ftp lid. Slowly piecing it together

[maroman88]

what color did you do the wheels? my Red TA's need some love

[ThoR294]

what color did you do the wheels? my Red TA's need some love

I was told it's called just "metallic bronze" lol

[ThoR294]

https://i.imgur.com/fxs1YZ7h.jpg

[PolarBear]

Talked to Larry. getting price on magnum F instead. just makes more sense for sure lol thanks polar bears!!!!

You'll be better off in the long run. Case is essentially the same externally and you get all the stuff Tremec upgraded without having to put a ton of money into hard parts. The gears are all wider and, IIRC, a stronger alloy

[wretched73]

So what're the full details of the motor build?

[Blackbirdws6]

I'll subscribe when I see a turbo system enter the thread.

[ThoR294]

You'll be better off in the long run. Case is essentially the same externally and you get all the stuff Tremec upgraded without having to put a ton of money into hard parts. The gears are all wider and, IIRC, a stronger alloy

Yeah definitely. Thanks again

So what're the full details of the motor build?

Stock bottom end, tick cam and Texas speed rebuilt stock heads, Texas speed headers, catted y, gmmg catback, Magnum f trans, ls7 clutch, figuring out rear now. Fast 92 intake with Nick Williams TB, bigger MAF and lid.

I'll subscribe when I see a turbo system enter the thread.

Honestly I'm thinking nitrous. I want to try that. I've had turbo cars haha

[ThoR294]

Getting talked into a TR6060 instead of the Magnum F... Lol

[PolarBear]

A Magnum F is basically a TR6060 except its a direct fit to replace your current trans. There is basically no reason to go with a TR6060 over the Magnum F

[ThoR294]

A Magnum F is basically a TR6060 except its a direct fit to replace your current trans. There is basically no reason to go with a TR6060 over the Magnum F

As per Larry the Magnum f doesn't have the carbon synchros

[PolarBear]

As per Larry the Magnum f doesn't have the carbon synchros

So? That seems like a piss poor reason to sell you a trans that is going to need a bunch of work to put into your car when the shifting is fine in the Magnum. I have read nothing but good things about the Magnums. Like if that is such a big deal, then buy the Magnum and open it an put those synchros in it.

Like literally buy Magnum F, ???, profit, FFS. You could swap the Magnum into your car in the time we've done the back and forth and you wouldn't be worrying about the current trans, LMFAO

[ThoR294]

So? That seems like a piss poor reason to sell you a trans that is going to need a bunch of work to put into your car when the shifting is fine in the Magnum. I have read nothing but good things about the Magnums. Like if that is such a big deal, then buy the Magnum and open it an put those synchros in it.

Like literally buy Magnum F, ???, profit, FFS. You could swap the Magnum into your car in the time we've done the back and forth and you wouldn't be worrying about the current trans, LMFAO

He said the cost of taking apart magnum F and rebuilding it with the carbon syncros come out to same price as tr6060. i guess it is overkill but i just like to do things once and be done lol

[PolarBear]

You have a stock replacement LS7 clutch and you're worried about carbon synchros :lol:

Stop with the feature creep and just slap the CC down, lol

[BonzoHansen]

He said the cost of taking apart magnum F and rebuilding it with the carbon syncros come out to same price as tr6060. i guess it is overkill but i just like to do things once and be done lol

I suspect there's a lot of guys with higher dollar higher horse power cars running around with magnums out there who didn't fret too much about this.

This is why you can't have nice things.

[sweetbmxrider]

:lol:

[ThoR294]

I suspect there's a lot of guys with higher dollar higher horse power cars running around with magnums out there who didn't fret too much about this.

This is why you can't have nice things.

It's a ~$700 difference between them so that's why it's a choice but I guess I could put that towards the rear lol

:lol:

Yaya :lol: I'm just glad I can do over 70 without the car vibrating apart

[wretched73]

I have a set of UMI SFCs if you need a set

[ThoR294]

I have a set of UMI SFCs if you need a set

Weld or bolt in? Maybe. Lol

[wretched73]

Weld or bolt in? Maybe. Lol

Weld in

[ThoR294]

Finally

[ThoR294]

Never got a chance to fit the VFN hood. Just dropped car off to Larry for everything... Lol

[wretched73]

When should i drop off those SFCs for him?

[ThoR294]

When should i drop off those SFCs for him?

Maybe. Which ones you got again?

Edit: I see umi sfcs above dur... I'm interested

[ThoR294]

Car is really clean on the underside which is nice for a change...

[ThoR294]

https://www.facebook.com/1396169297314384/posts/pfbid02mdHosJxrmHg85ccGmkePACp8kpfcM8QMfC1ZqabizKs ZQPJB6sdnovgEbYFopxJol/

[ThoR294]

Larry is taking good care of the car. Unfortunately, I managed to get a set of recalled Koni yellows on the car. thats what i get for buying them last year. at least I didn't put them on the car before the swap...

[The_Bishop]

Hey, what's the info on the recall Koni yellows? I've had a set on my car for *years*, hopefully it's a relatively recent thing.

[ThoR294]

Hey, what's the info on the recall Koni yellows? I've had a set on my car for *years*, hopefully it's a relatively recent thing.

Was like 2nd half of 2021. If yours was bad you woulda known apparently spring perch manufacturer changed and they made it a tad too big...

[The_Bishop]

Ah, got you. Thanks!

[ThoR294]

Much better stance. It's almost done! Hurdle after hurdle of course with the small things that come up lol

[Joey D]

Looks good. Forgot to tell you I saw it with motor out when I stopped by Larrys shop. Has to walk away so I don't have to take out a second mortgage and go all out on my car

[ThoR294]

Looks good. Forgot to tell you I saw it with motor out when I stopped by Larrys shop. Has to walk away so I don't have to take out a second mortgage and go all out on my car

It's really clean underneath I'm happy I got it even tho trans was poop. Yeah by the time I'm done I could have almost had your SS probably lol

[maroman88]

whatd you use to do the wheels, mine are hurtin

[ThoR294]

whatd you use to do the wheels, mine are hurtin

Used my buddy up north. FAP Auto. Does absolutely amazing work. Expensive to mount the tires but he's fair on the coating pricing. I used Alloy Wheel Repair to do the g5 wheels and I was not happy with their work

[ThoR294]

https://www.facebook.com/2ndgenengineering/posts/pfbid029p2jeUXid3KQspskqQoFrBcq6kCcP2D6EYc2sA9JELd unE2EFWCgAwu8uy1Y4p2vl

[ThoR294]

Got the car back. Tune still needs dialing in but had to get it home before Governor Brine keeps the roads coated all winter long.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/sXuKibtgG2SH4Wav6

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VbGC8qGBwaQAuTef8

[ThoR294]

I have fresh rebuilt calipers, hawk HPS pads and fresh rotors waiting to go on. Hopefully get the tune dialed in when Larry has his dyno

[ThoR294]

Hood painted. Forgot how ugly these are without ram air lol

[ThoR294]

Going to Larry Thursday for diff fluid change and check over after driving it around a bit. I noticed power steering fluid has left the chat. Seems to be leaking from the rack but will check on the lift. Also parking brake cables are not happy, pass side holder broke and drivers side rubbing against panhard. Cars are fun but at least it looks good!

[ThoR294]

whoops. I got about 1 mile from my house and car just shut off. I looked behind me and saw a trail of fluid. Put my hand in it and it was black, so my heart sank. I smelled it and it was def fuel. Checked oil, was perfectly fine. Car still cranked. I then heard gushing lol. Checked under car saw a spot. Called Larry for an idea he said "drivers front of rear? check fuel filter". sure enough, line was popped off the filter :shock:. White clip was still on the filter. I shoved it back on and it obviously fired right up. Drove it home... hopefully will be able to make it to Larrys :bertstare:

[ThoR294]

Back at Larry's.

New window motors and regulators
PS leaking at rack somewhere
Ebrake cable needs to be secured better
Check the fuel filter quick disconnect
Maybe subframe connectors - idk though
Rear diff fluid change
Dial in idle - doesn't like parking lot maneuvers.

[wretched73]

I still have the umi subframe connectors

[ThoR294]

I still have the umi subframe connectors

Yeah I'm still debating it. Lol I keep hearing conflicting opinions on them.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

I have a vert but if I were to do things over again, 3 pt sfcs would be the first thing I would do to another fbody above all else, suspension, energy, anythingwise.

[wretched73]

Yeah I'm still debating it. Lol I keep hearing conflicting opinions on them.

Just as Anti Rice Guy says, it is everyone's #1 recommended suspension upgrade

[ThoR294]

Just as Anti Rice Guy says, it is everyone's #1 recommended suspension upgrade

Strano seems to think otherwise lol that's why I'm on the fence.

[wretched73]

Strano hates UMI

[ThoR294]

Strano hates UMI

He hates BMR lol he offers umi on his website. BMR copied his springs

[LTb1ow]

MWC real SFC

[ThoR294]

MWC real SFC

It is but you have to annihilate the floorpan to put them in

[LS1ow]

My friend chris has a set of UMI SFC i think he would be willing to part with if your interesting.

[townsend]

subframes? nah first 4th gen suspension mod should be torque arm.

[townsend]

It is but you have to annihilate the floorpan to put them in

they absolutely SUCKED to put in. my car has a clone custom version that you dont have to destroy the floor for

[ThoR294]

subframes? nah first 4th gen suspension mod should be torque arm.

All done already

they absolutely SUCKED to put in. my car has a clone custom version that you dont have to destroy the floor for

Interesting

[BonzoHansen]

Strano hates UMI

He hates BMR lol he offers umi on his website. BMR copied his springs

yeah, that must be bmr (a lot of folks don't think much of them). Sam works with UMI on a lot of stuff.

I saw a parts rundown on Sams 4th gen. The one that none of us can catch on an autocross. IIRC he might have won a national championship in that car. I've watched him run past some high dollar stuff. Anyway, I don't think he has SFCs on them. Also might be a hardtop car, I forget.

[ThoR294]

yeah, that must be bmr (a lot of folks don't think much of them). Sam works with UMI on a lot of stuff.

I saw a parts rundown on Sams 4th gen. The one that none of us can catch on an autocross. IIRC he might have won a national championship in that car. I've watched him run past some high dollar stuff. Anyway, I don't think he has SFCs on them. Also might be a hardtop car, I forget.

Yep his car is insanely setup. He thinks SFCs are not needed if all your suspension is refreshed. he said if SFCs helped you, your car has bad bushings, shocks, springs, etc.

[Blackbirdws6]

Lot of talk of SFCs and nothing about applying boost to the build.

[ThoR294]

Lot of talk of SFCs and nothing about applying boost to the build.

If this motor goes boom I might do that. For now no power adders

[LS1ow]

Yep his car is insanely setup. He thinks SFCs are not needed if all your suspension is refreshed. he said if SFCs helped you, your car has bad bushings, shocks, springs, etc.

Mine and sheds car say otherwise.

[ThoR294]

well damn cars been there for 5 months LOL

[ThoR294]

Car is back after another bunch of money thrown at it. Runs good now and is really fun over 4500rpm.

Back in the garage to wait till spring. Definitely gotta upgrade the brakes.

[ThoR294]

Fired it up the other day, didn't drive it yet. Gotta stretch it legs around town before I huff it down to woodbridge.

Did I mention I shoulda just bought a 16-17 SS instead?

[ThoR294]

https://i.imgur.com/41Cce68l.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZTmrvmyh.jpg

Guess it needs an alternator. Drives nice though really fun upstairs

[ThoR294]

Still have to do brakes. Idle needs adjusting a bunch. Good otherwise

[wretched73]

Is your pool open yet?

[ThoR294]

Is your pool open yet?

Filled it up yesterday. I probably will open it next week. You can come swim in it, seriously though we dont use it enough lol

[wretched73]

Filled it up yesterday. I probably will open it next week. You can come swim in it, seriously though we dont use it enough lol

I also have a pool that isn't used nearly enough for the effort is takes to upkeep

[ThoR294]

I also have a pool that isn't used nearly enough for the effort is takes to upkeep

Haha luckily ours is salt water not much upkeep except for electricity and salt lol

[ThoR294]

Car went to Rob Katz.

He fixed idle and adjusted the tune. Started test driving it, about 20-25 min in car would lean out badly. We thought maybe bad o2s. Swapped o2s. Same issue. He questioned the injectors when he saw the car, but they worked fine on the dyno.

He had a spare set of C5 injectors which he put in. Car works 100% now. Almost running out of fuel but it's good enough for the car now. Hopefully have it back next week!

[wretched73]

That's a really nice graph

[townsend]

thats a good graph for that heartbreaker dyno, nice

[ThoR294]

thats a good graph for that heartbreaker dyno, nice

Lol thanks! Yeah everyone is telling me I'm running out of gas given it's only 400whp. It drives great.

[IROCZman15]

good stuff. Yea thats gotta be great to drive!

[The_Bishop]

Where's Rob Katz located? Depending on life, might be doing heads and cam on my car and will need a dyno tune.

[ThoR294]

Where's Rob Katz located? Depending on life, might be doing heads and cam on my car and will need a dyno tune.

Toms River. Killer scone place across the way also Lolol

https://www.rktuned.com/

[ThoR294]

Also, belt popped off other day. Figured a fluke. Checked it at car show and... Lolol new tensioner coming

[The_Bishop]

That's odd. Factory accessory drive stuff?

[ThoR294]

That's odd. Factory accessory drive stuff?

Yes but unknown age of tensioner

[The_Bishop]

Yeah, could be a factor. I've found that sometimes when a belt gets chucked off, it gets distorted/stretched weird and will have a tendency to make it's way off even after the situation that made it jump has been fixed.

[ThoR294]

New belt and tensioner on. Haven't driven it yet. Hopefully that fixes it

[townsend]

sure the balancer isnt coming apart ? happened to me on two LS3 cars

[ThoR294]

That would cause only the accessory belt and not the AC belt to come off?

[ThoR294]

Still gotta drive it see how the belt does. Weather getting almost good!

[wretched73]

Weather is good, no excuses pal

[LTb1ow]

Weather is good. No excuses.

[sweetbmxrider]

Excuses is weather. No good.

[ThoR294]

Excuses is weather. No good.

Good is excuses. No weather.



VFR going to John's Cycle. I let it sit for too long RIP carbs. TA coming out next week for work duty

[ThoR294]

Alternator voltage isnt stable at idle causing lights to look weird (glowing).

Gonna do "big 3" upgrade I noticed the wire going to alt was ****** condition. hopefully thats it

[wretched73]

Good is excuses. No weather.



VFR going to John's Cycle. I let it sit for too long RIP carbs. TA coming out next week for work duty

I can't believe John's cycle is still open

[ThoR294]

I can't believe John's cycle is still open

Son took over. Glad he's carrying the torch I always heard good things about John. Bike needs TLC been sitting too long ugh

[wretched73]

Son took over. Glad he's carrying the torch I always heard good things about John. Bike needs TLC been sitting too long ugh

John fixed my XR100 back in 2002 or 2003. I remember there was always a ton of bikes scattered everywhere.

[LS1ow]

John fixed my XR100 back in 2002 or 2003. I remember there was always a ton of bikes scattered everywhere.

i was 10

[wretched73]

i was 10

you're 5 years younger than me?

And i was 12 or 13

Call an engineer, the math aint mathing

[LS1ow]

you're 5 years younger than me?

And i was 12 or 13

Call an engineer, the math aint mathing

my brother in christ what year were you born

[wretched73]

my brother in christ what year were you born

1990, year of the horse if looking at the chinese zodiac

[LS1ow]

1990, year of the horse if looking at the chinese zodiac

checks out, as i was born in 1992, year of the monkey if looking at the chinese zodiac.

[wretched73]

checks out, as i was born in 1992, year of the monkey if looking at the chinese zodiac.

That's 5 years according to the chinese calendar

[townsend]

That would cause only the accessory belt and not the AC belt to come off?

caused it to throw both the ac and accessory belt. ac would go first

[ThoR294]

caused it to throw both the ac and accessory belt. ac would go first

ah ok mine is just alt belt. will see what happens with new belt and tensioner