The thing is he should learn about a car before stating thing that is not true calling it the bastard child. I would understand if you called a liberty one for trying to offroad and all but for you staing its horrible in certain aspects shows you know nothing about cherokees or jeeps in any matter.

And if you wants specs thats no problem then when you try and compare you cavaliar n ls1 what specs you workin off that. And as for bein late with a response i have a life outside arguing with people that dont know anything about other cars besides theirs.

WTF? Liberties are badass!

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...v_kj/005-2.jpg

- Justin

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...arrie196-1.jpg

Pretty sweet yo.

i brought liberties wheeling with me and they all blew there engines flowing
me. 3.8 v6 not a big torch monster. If alterded right then yes they have potential. Their motors are weak compared to the 4.0 l i6.

KJs have the crappy Chrysler 3.7v6, not the better 3.8 minivan v6 like the new JKs and WKs have.

4.0 I6 is still FTW, although the new 3.6 direct injection v6 is gonna be badass.

- Justin

I just hope they come out wit an improvement to the jeep that will keep it alive. The motor chamge was not and the axles i have yet to hear anything good. Only thing that keeps jeep is rubicon. Thats only new kind i would get.

Yeaqh they are pretty bad ass!!! I sold the camaro yesterday so Im going to look at a 02 cherokee wiht a 6.5in lift tomorrow and see how low the guy will go hes asking 2800! The car looks dorky cuz it has little tires on it but Ill change that. I think Ill be fine with a cherokee for off road it would mostly see wharton and winslow wildlife management

Wow even after explaining it you still dont get what I was trying to say. Does anyone else understand the point I was making by comparing a generalization of Chevrolets with his generalization with Jeeps?

And yeah and not once did I say that cherokees were terrible and unoffroadable. I simple said that they are a double edged sword with the unibody. And if we wanna get on the subject of what can be taken on moab with extensive mods then dont count anything out.

That Liberty is a beast because it has running gear from a 30 year old pickup truck underneath it. The pictured liberty doesnt have anywhere near a stock suspension, nor front or rear axle.

And you still havent given any specs other than 4.0s are beasts and hard to kill. I never said they werent, infact if you'd read and understand rather than skimming you'd see I paid homage to the drivetrain.

You know all this started because you cant admit that uni-body is a negative offroad and that later unibearing front axles are weaker than the old style full hub conical bearing types. Your picking a fight you cant win, simply because your wrong.

Please tell me if you even know any of the following terms.
Droop, compression, 3 link, 4 link, bump stops, CV driveshaft, 1330 vs 1350 u joints, full clip vs half clip u joints, DOM, crossover steering, high steer, hydrolic assist, pinion brake, frame boxing, full carrier locker vs lunchbox, leaf under vs leaf over.

Those are all things that someone that considers them selves "versed" in offroading and modification should know for the most part. Something tells me all you know if "o boy I slapped a badass superlift lift kit on my badass jeep" it must be 20x trail rated what it was stock now!!!

:popcorn: lol this thread is funny. I love when people try to argue about things they dont know anything about :)


btw saying a Jeep is great off road isnt a 'typical jeeper saying' its been proven to excel off road without modifications as well as with them. so sorry dude your beat.

O here we go another one that thinks all jeeps are gods gift to the offroad world.

Please if you can explain to me how I dont know what I'm talking about in a constructive, proven statement I will stop. Until then I think I'll carry on seeing as how I seem to be the only person involved in this argument whos made any points beyond "no your wrong!" and "jeeps are just flat out great what are you talking about"

And for the love of god I NEVER SAID THERE WERENT JEEPS THAT ARE GREAT OFF ROAD. The ****ing point is that you cant bunch ALL jeeps together and say they are ALL great off road. They are ALL different ****ing vehicles hens the argument and saying its a typical jeeper statement. Christ on a ****ing cross. This was the point of my Cavalier vs Ls1 car comparison. Saying theyd both be fast with the same mods because they are both chevys is the same thing as saying ALL Jeeps are great offroad because they are Jeeps. Its a retarded generalization and I thought that bringing it into racing perspective would help make my argument clearer.

Jeep does now ****ing equal wrangler god damn it. Wrangler is the proven jeep that does great offroad stock and is the only model that Jeep (whos a company btw not a ****ing model) produces with any intent for offroading.

Trail rated is a gimmick. 4wd IFS is for a snowy roads not a trail. Thats what the rest of Jeeps models have and thats why said pictured liberty has extensive modifications, to swap in the style of front axle that a Wrangler comes with from the factory.

Btw heres a list of vehicles that tote more impressive offroading specs than a wrangler.

Dodge power wagon - Front and rear lockers, winch, 33s or 35s from the factory

Hummer h3 - Rear selectable locker, 4:1 transfer case, solid skid plates, multiple pull points, downside of IFS but so goes the market now a days.

New suzuki pickup they came out with totes all of the above specs of the hummer h3.

yes I know nothing about offroading. Sorry I didnt use a jeep as a base for my trail truck.

http://vid794.photobucket.com/albums...h_SDC11928.jpg

4" not cheap ass lift company bought lift.
52in front spring swap
56in rear spring swap with shackle flip
Lockers front and rear
DOM crossover steering and tie rod
Relocated blazer gas tank
Chromoly axle shafts with needle-less solid super joints.
Inboarded rear shocks
Towered front shocks

I'm so sorry my truck isnt a new pretty jeep. I probably would been better off with a commander or a new grand cherokee. :rofl:

O and 36in TSLs for reference size to said rocks.

SO, back on topic, I see the car is sold, did you get it? or find something else?

For the list you provided only really stated three vehicles. And for a person thats says he knows alot about offroad then why rag on a jeep based upon what you believe is not worth something to own. And then u put this truck up and states first thing 4 inch no cheap lift. Most lifts arent cheap buddy so whats your point on that. My 3 inch wasnt cheap so do i have to state that about
mine to make myself look cooler like you?

Your really still not getting the point?

Look I'm gonna calmly say this one last time.

My point is that you are wrong in saying that ALL jeeps are awesome for offroading. All jeeps are not awesome for offroading, Wranglers and more specifically rubicons are awesome for offroading. Cherokees had their nice run but have their limits due to the unibody.

My point in the list is that there are other vehicles out there just as qualified as Wranglers.

And the comment about the lift was in rebuttle to how you said you've lifted a few jeeps and they've all turned out fine. Boxed company lift kits dont mean squat about a truck ability to offroad. Theres a huge difference between a junky skyjacker or procomp lift and a badass pre fabbed custom longarm kit from Rustys. That all I'm saying.

For. One thing i never said all jeeps are to offroad if you go back i said i wouldnt take the liberty. I agree with you on their is other vehicles out there that are qualified. Thats one thing we agree on but you got to take into consideration on what type of offroading your looking to do thats where it changes.

Na I didnt get that jeep. I went to look at another one today heres the link.
He said he would take 2200 if I got it out of there by the 28th but it needs shocks, brake lines, pitman arm and track bar installed the parts are new but need to be installed.
http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/cto/1461401857.html

There ya go. That Tom woods SYE and High angle shaft are some coin.

Plus its a bit newer. I'd say offer him 2500 and throw some nice 32x10s on it.

$2200 isn't bad for that setup. I wouldn't bother with it in NJ though - Cherokees are limited to either 7" or 9" of total lift, and once you slap a set of tires on that XJ, you are gonna be real close to (or over) the limit.

Tom Woods stuff certainly will run you some coin, but from what I've seen it's only so-so quality. And 32s with a 6.5" lift? 35s would barely fill the wheel wells at that height.

- Justin

I thought the lift and tire size where different sections? Last time I took my rig for inspection is was based on Suspension lift and tire size. I never was told anything about overall lift.

I would run it thru inspection with the dinky wheels and tires on it, and I might even end up flipping and trying to make a buck. If I keep it Ill leve the small wheels and tires on it cuz its gonna be my dd, and they would be better with gas.

Hat jeeps worth it i was goin get my driveshaftfrom tom woods. Great company and it
seems lift he installed is correct and right. Thats one of the nicest jeeps for that price ive seen. Im lookin pick up another too and iF i had the cash i would.

Nope, they should mark total lift over stock and tire size. Overall lift allowed is based on GVWR.

Great page that lays out NJ Lift Laws in laymans terms, with links to the actual NJ administrative code: http://home.comcast.net/~kayaker121/NJLiftLaws.html

That's still tall enough that you would have to be tilt tested, and they mark your total lift and tire size on the paper work, so if you swapped to small tires for inspection, and ran larger tires otherwise, your inspection would be invalid. Can't say I would expect many officers on the street to watch for this though.

- Justin

Yeah looks like its too tall maybe trade for a smaller lift? I might go look at this tj too needs a head gasket he said he would take 3200
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/1470716487.html

May not be too bad of a deal at 3200 if the rest of it is in nice shape. Just be careful theres not other issues that could show as a bad head gasket. Might be to your advantage to try and get it as low as you can based on that