you make me angry im too messed up right now too relax. i guess you have never called someone a douchebag since you were in second grade or highschool even. im sure noone on this site has either

The point totally flew over your head and hit the wall behind you. I could care less that you called me a douche bag. I was merely pointing out that you resorted to 2nd grade namecalling ********(which you had no clue as to what I meant).

[deeeeeeeeeeer] Get it now? [/deeeeeeeeeer]

Also, if you get this angry because someone disagrees with you on a message board you really need to seek some help bro.

you didnt disagre me you just insulted me three times on a post becasue you had nothing to say. theres nothing there to disagree wtih you about. you stated no facts or any useless information at all and just ranted on about my spelling and how many people died on 9/11. thats what got me angry. i mean if you have a legit point somewhere in that post please tell me

Um, ok. It was in response to you taking my forefathers comment literally, lol.

But whatever. It's all good. It's a ****ing internet message board.

But, to keep this thread on topic I don't trust the government. No matter how you slice it they're invading privacy. No matter what the intentions are they're invading privacy. They're tapping overseas calls to American citizens. Is it justified? Perhaps. Is it opening a HUGE door? ****ing-A right it is.

How's that? :rofl:

even if they were, who cares. if your not doing anything wrong what do you have to be worried about. if your talking about buying a bag of weed, have u got into trouble yet? if the FBI hears u were cheatong on your wife, are you hearing about it on the news? and for the record ive been hearing about our founding fathers since the begenning of this discussion, i know that the tearm means.what door is it opening up.. the one that told us about a possibe attack on the holland tunnel? well then open the doors, windows and whatever else u cna open. open stores, open your car, open a can of soup. open a closed box, and open something that was open and you shut it just so you can open it again.

I respect your opinion but that very attitude will allow the government to walk all over us. It's not the point if you're doing something wrong, it's the point that they'd be allowed to do it.

I'm saying this sincerely and respectfully: I think you need to take a long hard look and what this country was founded on and why.

even if i dont know all it was founded on, i know one thing it WAS founded on. National Security. thank you and good night, ill be here all week folks, and dont forget thursday is the wet t-shirt contest.

Really? You sure about that?

blow up the middle east and get this **** over with.... and this is coming from a middle eastern with family over there :(

All personal attacks aside, you better be joking. When this nation was founded the only "national security" we had was a very small army and local militia. The basis that the United States of America was founded on was freedom. The freedom to do anything you want as long as it doesnt infringe on someone elses freedom. fast forward to the patriot act. I used to have the freedom of privacy, but not anymore. And who violated my freedom? our very own government.

I know what you're trying to get at with the whole "their only spying on terrorists" thing, but how are they gonna know who is a terrorist if they dont screen everyone first and filter out the non-threats? Apparently terrorists are very hard to catch even when you have many documents sitting on your desk with details about the largest attack in the history of terrorism (yes, there were many indications of the 9/11 attack well before it happened, but GW doesnt like to read, so he never read them...go figure).

Just remember that this country's defining moment was not how we responded to an attack on our soil, but rather our own terroristic attack that led to our independance (boston tea party for those who didn't pick that up). Chew on that for a while.