Holland Tunnel Bombing plot uncovered

[shane27]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202518,00.html
amazing how they found out, the FBI monitered chat rooms used by foreign extremists...remember how everyone was complaining about bush spying on us and all that crap...well it just saved the holland tunnel and many lives, intresting.

[Tsar]

wow people still use chat rooms? newbs...

[GP99GT]

rofl chat rooms

[camarokev]

Originally Posted by shane27

remember how everyone was complaining about bush spying on us and all that crap...well it just saved the holland tunnel and many lives, intresting.

I've been saying that for a VERY long time- the PATRIOT act might cut into a citizen's privacy, but to me, the sacrifice is WELL worth it. What did people want Bush to do? Nothing? If he had done nothing, and elected to not endorse the PATRIOT act, I can guarantee you that it would make it MUCH easier for terrorists to try and do something such as this bombing to our country.

And, in spite of all of that, you STILL have some liberals saying, "THE NERVE OF OUR PRESIDENT, blah blah blah blah"... okay, fine... let's not let the government take a proactive stance and instead lets sit by the wayside and let the terrorists that we do in fact have living here among us (ever seen the movie Arlington Road?) take advantage of the fact that we have no way to spy on them. Please.

(end rant).

[Tsar]

dude if someone wants to blows something up, they will believe me. you know its easy to make a pipe bomb, then put it in a can of ball bearings/screws and drop it in a populated area... its been done before.

[camarokev]

i agree man, i agree... but still, creating a pipe-bomb and blowing up the holland tunnel are in two separate categories, wouldn't you agree? We're talking about preventing the big things that the people who were responsible wouldn't even be caught for most times, had not the government caught them in the act. If someone blows up a pipe bomb in a crowded area, that person is either a) GOING to be caught, or b) GOING to be dead. Not so with the terrorists that plan big things.... who is that guy still out there that we can't find yet? Bin Laden??? lol

[Savage_Messiah]

It's funny to see how a country ruled by fear, which we once despised, has become what this country is. And by funny I mean pathetic.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by camarokev

i agree man, i agree... but still, creating a pipe-bomb and blowing up the holland tunnel are in two separate categories, wouldn't you agree? We're talking about preventing the big things that the people who were responsible wouldn't even be caught for most times, had not the government caught them in the act. If someone blows up a pipe bomb in a crowded area, that person is either a) GOING to be caught, or b) GOING to be dead. Not so with the terrorists that plan big things.... who is that guy still out there that we can't find yet? Bin Laden??? lol

yea i do agree that it would be sligthly harder to blow up Holland tunnel then to kill hundreads of people with a pipe bomb during a parade but they are kinda close. and bout the dying part - not really you can find instructions on the interted how to hook up timer to that thing. how do i know? my friend makes them and lets just say they blow **** up pretty good. one about the size of a finger blew a computer monitor completely apart... he's now making one the size of an arm... the sad thing he got all that stuff from browsing an internet, if an average 20 year old can do it so can any terrorist.

[79CamaroDiva]

I was just talking about this with a friend of mine when we were on our way back from manhattan monday night. The terrorists probably aren't going to use plane's again, that's been done. I don't think they care if they kill a lot of people, they care about what kind of damage they do to our country. People are just collateral. The twin towers were not only a symbol of pride for us, but they were the World Trade Center, hundreds or thousands of businesses were lost, it hurt us financially, the lives lost didn't matter to them one way or another.

If they take out tunnels and bridges, that would devastate our country. Maybe they don't attack NYC again, but if they did, and took out the George Washington, Third Avenue, Willis Avenue, Triborough, Queensborough, Williamsburgh, Manhattan, and Brooklyn bridges, along with the Queens Midtown, Lincoln, Holland, and Brooklyn Battery Tunnels imagine the chaos. The only way in to or out of NYC would be via Ferry. Complete pandemonium would result.

[camarokev]

yeah... I've thought about that Melissa. People are just collateral in the equation. I just hope nothing happens to NY for the next 2 months- as I type this I sit on the 51st floor of a building with absolutely NO stinking protection against a plane (even though I agree that wont be done again), but we do have a fabulous "evacuation plan"... bleh.

Tsar- sorry, you seem to know more about Pipe-Bombs than I do. (Note to self, don't piss off you or your friend)

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva

I was just talking about this with a friend of mine when we were on our way back from manhattan monday night. The terrorists probably aren't going to use plane's again, that's been done. I don't think they care if they kill a lot of people, they care about what kind of damage they do to our country. People are just collateral. The twin towers were not only a symbol of pride for us, but they were the World Trade Center, hundreds or thousands of businesses were lost, it hurt us financially, the lives lost didn't matter to them one way or another.

If they take out tunnels and bridges, that would devastate our country. Maybe they don't attack NYC again, but if they did, and took out the George Washington, Third Avenue, Willis Avenue, Triborough, Queensborough, Williamsburgh, Manhattan, and Brooklyn bridges, along with the Queens Midtown, Lincoln, Holland, and Brooklyn Battery Tunnels imagine the chaos. The only way in to or out of NYC would be via Ferry. Complete pandemonium would result.

well i dont think you are right about casualties. u do know they hate americans, as in people. I mean when they were running trucks with explosives into a buildings im pretty sure they were going in for people... not a silly building. Oh and if they wanted to blow up something that meant to you a lot they would take out the statue of liberty, after all thats what you're known for around the world.

[camarokev]

Originally Posted by Tsar

well i dont think you are right about casualties. u do know they hate americans, as in people. I mean when they were running trucks with explosives into a buildings im pretty sure they were going in for people... not a silly building. Oh and if they wanted to blow up something that meant to you a lot they would take out the statue of liberty, after all thats what you're known for around the world.

k... this one I disagree with. Not that I know much about the financial world, but I am working on Wall Street in the city for a summer. Working here, I see the thing that makes this country go around.... MONEY, and LOTS of it. I'd venture a guess that yes, terrorists do hate us, obviously, but they are smart. The "big picture" tells us that when 9/11 happened, not only did we lose thousands of lives, but the stock market was shut down for days. This equals losses of money in the billions and billions of dollars for the US- crippling the economy, and thus damaging the country more as a whole, rather than just killing the citizens. The effect is stronger.

And, as far as symbols, that is one thing that I would disagree with to a point. Taking out the Statue of Liberty, while it would be a MAJOR slap in the face, wouldn't hurt anyone, wouldn't hurt our economy, etc. It's just a statue. However, where was that 4th plane headed for again on 9/11? The whitehouse. Talk about a symbol, AND the damaging effects it would have on our president, economy, etc.

When it comes to political issues, its always the big picture that matters.

[Savage_Messiah]

Kevin nailed it, their attack on Washington DC failed last time, if there really IS another attack being planned they're not gonna go for NYC again.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by camarokev

k... this one I disagree with. Not that I know much about the financial world, but I am working on Wall Street in the city for a summer. Working here, I see the thing that makes this country go around.... MONEY, and LOTS of it. I'd venture a guess that yes, terrorists do hate us, obviously, but they are smart. The "big picture" tells us that when 9/11 happened, not only did we lose thousands of lives, but the stock market was shut down for days. This equals losses of money in the billions and billions of dollars for the US- crippling the economy, and thus damaging the country more as a whole, rather than just killing the citizens. The effect is stronger.

And, as far as symbols, that is one thing that I would disagree with to a point. Taking out the Statue of Liberty, while it would be a MAJOR slap in the face, wouldn't hurt anyone, wouldn't hurt our economy, etc. It's just a statue. However, where was that 4th plane headed for again on 9/11? The whitehouse. Talk about a symbol, AND the damaging effects it would have on our president, economy, etc.

When it comes to political issues, its always the big picture that matters.

i guy who straps himself with explosives doesnt know much about finances. Also do you know about other terrorist acts around the world? i mean everyone keeps talking about 9/11 and stuff, and sure it was huge but its not the only one. It did hurt the economy but majority of terrorist activity doesnt really do it. or maybe im missing the big picture so point me in the right direction i guess. How does blowing up and embacy hurt your economy, blowing up apartment buildings, dragging dead soldiers thru a main street, blowing up a bomb during a parade and killing 100s, chooping someones head on TV (ive seen it done a few times). I can go on and on cuz ive seen alot of those. Sure they are bad and stuff but do they really have that much to say when it comes to economy - ehh i dont think so.

As far as Statue of Liberty goes. Its what represents America to people outside of this country, just like twin towers were. how do i know - im not from around here if you didnt know. See when people outside of this country talk about america (in a good way) they dont think white house, your economy, your big bad military that can slaughter all in a milisecond, or your nuclear arsenal. They think about big ass buldings, NYC, statue of liberty, happy cows from california, big gas guzzling cars, mcdonalds, beaches and fat girls in bikinis. You take out what represents America and to some your existance will seize.

for the retarded* im not saying if someone destroys statue of liberty the US will disappear of the face of the world.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

Kevin nailed it, their attack on Washington DC failed last time, if there really IS another attack being planned they're not gonna go for NYC again.

the problem with that thinking is, everyone expects them to do it. usually the unexpected comes.

[shane27]

plain hijackings ended on 911
anyone who hijacks a plane will be bombarded by the passengers onboard, becasue they will have nothing to loose.

Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

It's funny to see how a country ruled by fear, which we once despised, has become what this country is. And by funny I mean pathetic.

times change, and sometimes you need to adjust.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by shane27

plain hijackings ended on 911
anyone who hijacks a plane will be bombarded by the passengers onboard, becasue they will have nothing to loose.

thats what everyone says until they get into an actual situation where YOUR life has to be lost. i have the greatest example of them all. Nazi consentration camps. Hundreads of thousands of people versus um...few hundread men with guns. Guards could be easily slaughtered by that huge number of people. And if you say "well they had guns" well some hijackers have bombs and guns.

Everyone is always all talk, but when they get there they just sit there quitely like a 5 year old on a time out, its called fear. Everyone has it, true story.

[shane27]

Originally Posted by Tsar

thats what everyone says until they get into an actual situation where YOUR life has to be lost. i have the greatest example of them all. Nazi consentration camps. Hundreads of thousands of people versus um...few hundread men with guns. Guards could be easily slaughtered by that huge number of people. And if you say "well they had guns" well some hijackers have bombs and guns.

Everyone is always all talk, but when they get there they just sit there quitely like a 5 year old on a time out, its called fear. Everyone has it, true story.

well look what happned to that plane that landed in pennsylvania. the passengers heard what was going on in the other planes, so some of them fought back and killed the terrorists that were on board. why? becasue they knew it was either kill the terrorists or be killed by the terrorists.

if u knew the plane u were on was going into a building would u just sit there and take it? definitly not. also the people in the concentration camps were weak, dying, and had nothing except their bodies. people on planes ahve a little more then that

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by shane27

well look what happned to that plane that landed in pennsylvania. the passengers heard what was going on in the other planes, so some of them fought back and killed the terrorists that were on board. why? becasue they knew it was either kill the terrorists or be killed by the terrorists.

if u knew the plane u were on was going into a building would u just sit there and take it? definitly not. also the people in the concentration camps were weak, dying, and had nothing except their bodies. people on planes ahve a little more then that

the only reason they succeded is because hijackers had nothing but box cutters...if that was not the case like it usually is all the passangers that tryed to take over wouldve been shot and the plane would proceed on its way.

Sure they were weak but have u ever seen a group that big. atrittion thats how the war was won. thats how they could've helped themselves.

[shane27]

Originally Posted by Tsar

the only reason they succeded is because hijackers had nothing but box cutters...if that was not the case like it usually is all the passangers that tryed to take over wouldve been shot and the plane would proceed on its way.

Sure they were weak but have u ever seen a group that big. atrittion thats how the war was won. thats how they could've helped themselves.

well thats all their ever going to have is boxcutters becasue of plane security. no way is anyone getting a gun on board anymore.

and as for the jews, escaping a country is a little harder then being the **** out of some arabs on a plane

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by shane27

well thats all their ever going to have is boxcutters becasue of plane security. no way is anyone getting a gun on board anymore.

wow you kidding me right?
Airport security improved my ass. The lines got longer sure. Never in my life have a stood in line in the airport, well one time i did actually but thats cuz my mom decided to be a sheep and stayed in the actual line. Some airports have those "green corridors" that you can walk thru and checks are random at most, ive never been checked... i flew PLENTY of times after 9/11 and hasnt been checked once. that includes the time i had a knife in my carry on case that wasnt checked... airport security my ass.

[NJSPEEDER]

i think what a lot of people read into the patriot act was way too deep. it still requires a review and approval before anyone is personally monitored or tapped, it jsut changed the level of information given to the public about it.
it also had nothing to do with 99.9% of teh citizens in this country because the government has no reason to consider monitoring us.

[Savage_Messiah]

for the record, foreign extremists using a chat room smells like the biggest pile of horse crap I've heard in a long time.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

for the record, foreign extremists using a chat room smells like the biggest pile of horse crap I've heard in a long time.

i wonder if they were speaking english too, i mean foreign people always speak english when they talk to each other in the movies

[Savage_Messiah]

exactly

I can't take anything the Executive branch tells me at face value anymore. Sorry if I don't straight up believe people who lied to the country to make us begin a war.