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09-02-2009, 11:51 AM
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Mustang + Challenger < Camaro
Delivery (sales) Stats:
Camaro August Deliveries (sales): 8,680
Mustang stats:
August Deliveries: 6,289
Cant find the report, but I read Challenger's numbers at around 1300ish?
Camaro is outsellint Mustang and Challenger combined now. I belive a total of 43k+ Camaros sold, still another 10k orders to process on top of incoming orders.
Edit: Challenger 1132 sold.....
http://jalopnik.com/5350425/camaro-k...straight-month
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09-02-2009, 11:55 AM
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how many of each went cash for clunkers?
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09-02-2009, 12:04 PM
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Well, Camaro V6 gets the best gas milage out of all the models across the range, and that only qualifies for a max of 3500 rebate.
The Mustang and Challenger's V6 suck balls in both performance and gas milage. They qualify for nothing.
None of the V8 cars qualify. I dont know if that gave Camaro an advantage...as most cars, even 6cyls, are marked up still making it an expensive car.
But I will say...that if I could have nailed down a 1LT for around the same I got my Malibu.....
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09-02-2009, 12:33 PM
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i have noticed more Camaros on the road
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09-02-2009, 12:33 PM
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no i meant like how many got traded in AS cash 4 clunkers hahaha
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09-02-2009, 01:05 PM
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So pretty much in the first 4 months of sales, the new camaro has matched the yearly sales for all of the ls1 f-bodys(~40K units/yr). Yes, sales will slow down, but still, it's pretty funny. Maybe GM is actually doing something right?
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09-02-2009, 02:27 PM
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yeah why dont you compare that to every mustang sold since 2005 
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09-02-2009, 02:28 PM
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Bet they outsold wienermobile sales.
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09-02-2009, 04:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28
Well, Camaro V6 gets the best gas milage out of all the models across the range, and that only qualifies for a max of 3500 rebate.
The Mustang and Challenger's V6 suck balls in both performance and gas milage. They qualify for nothing.
None of the V8 cars qualify. I dont know if that gave Camaro an advantage...as most cars, even 6cyls, are marked up still making it an expensive car.
But I will say...that if I could have nailed down a 1LT for around the same I got my Malibu.....
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yeah well according to consumer reports the camaro is the worst value out of the three even tho it offers the best mpg in v6 or v8... but what do we know? or what does the people on camaro5 know who actually drive them everyday and pull off 25mpg with the v8. I also saw someone flaming the new camaro on this same article and someone else said yea its so great thats why the new camaro out sold the mustang since its launch...
Whatever tho, its all a matter of opinion. I want one and as long as i can get one ill be happy.
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09-02-2009, 09:03 PM
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nice... im still trying to figure out why car and driver likes the stang better..?
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09-03-2009, 03:48 AM
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 Don't worry, gm will screw it up sooner or later.
Challenger is still dead sexy
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09-03-2009, 03:51 AM
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this challenger was sexy 30ish yrs ago when the exact same body was released.
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09-03-2009, 07:54 AM
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I didn't read the CR report so don't know.
Mustangs steering feel and track package seems to be impressing everyone. And it seems that the camaros suspension was set too soft. Lots of understeering with the car around the track. I think they de tuned it first year to see how it will do. The platform is way too good for the soft suspension settings.
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09-03-2009, 08:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iroc-z86
yeah well according to consumer reports the camaro is the worst value out of the three even tho it offers the best mpg in v6 or v8... but what do we know? or what does the people on camaro5 know who actually drive them everyday and pull off 25mpg with the v8. I also saw someone flaming the new camaro on this same article and someone else said yea its so great thats why the new camaro out sold the mustang since its launch...
Whatever tho, its all a matter of opinion. I want one and as long as i can get one ill be happy.
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According to Consumer Reports the LS1 was such a bad engine it deserved a black circle every year- from 1997 to 2002. It's not exactly a marvel of engineering but 305 (lol)hp and 30mpg without DoD is pretty decent for the time.
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09-03-2009, 09:17 AM
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Don't forget, GM had no marketing or advertising going on for the F-body the last 3-4 years of the 4th gen. So sales numbers don't mean much. I still can't believe the current markup on the new Camaro by 90% of the dealers though. The real question is out of the cars that have been built, how many are still sitting on dealer lots because of the markup?
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09-03-2009, 09:34 AM
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Quote:
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According to Consumer Reports the LS1 was such a bad engine it deserved a black circle every year- from 1997 to 2002.
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Which proves they're useless.
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09-03-2009, 09:45 AM
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Quote:
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The real question is out of the cars that have been built, how many are still sitting on dealer lots because of the markup?
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At Konner Chevy in West Caldwell by where I work there has been an Orange SS sitting on their lot for over a month. Wouldn't be surprised if they inflated the sticker.
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the challengers must be popular around me. i know where 7 of them are within 4 miles of my house. i don't see to many camaro's only 3 near my house.
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09-03-2009, 12:19 PM
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I still have seen more Challengers than 2010 Mustangs and Camaros.
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09-03-2009, 12:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WildBillyT
According to Consumer Reports the LS1 was such a bad engine it deserved a black circle every year- from 1997 to 2002. It's not exactly a marvel of engineering but 305 (lol)hp and 30mpg without DoD is pretty decent for the time.
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ok where's the ls1 nuthugger brigade? they're gonna cry when they read this!
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09-03-2009, 07:02 PM
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Quote:
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ok where's the ls1 nuthugger brigade? they're gonna cry when they read this!
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ur reading skills are about as good as the lt1...read the last few words of that line. The LS1 had over 300hp + 30mpg without DOD.
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09-04-2009, 12:59 AM
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I love how it's just assumed I'm an LT1 guy if I call out the LS1 fanboys 
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Originally Posted by LTb1ow
Junk the pos, spend the money on beer, acquire headache.
Same result cept this headache doesnt last months.
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09-04-2009, 09:53 AM
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I just came back from Vegas and there were 2010 Mustangs EVERYWHERE, most with CA plates. I guess they get them first over there. I also read somewhere that the 2011 Mustang V6 will be offered with a better engine (the 3.5 they they put in the Lincoln MKZ) pushing 263hp. Maybe this will help bring down the markup on the Camaro.
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09-04-2009, 12:02 PM
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There is a "leak" of info saying that the 2011 Mustang will get the Lincoln 3.7 V6 making 315hp, and a 5.0 DOHC motor in the GT making 400hp.
They have been saying this for 3 years now. I dont see the 3.7 making 315, nor a 5.0 making 400hp without major increase in price of the car.
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Quote:
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Yup yup. Silly nuthuggers...
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