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coldkilla · 12-04-2005, 04:06 AM

if i buy a new car and its got one of these in there, you better believe im leaving it on the ground at the dealership. i doubt the aclu would allow them to track position. canadians may put up with this **** but americans never will.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/12/01/...eed/index.html

Koll · 12-04-2005, 07:24 AM

Now the 1/4 mile would be all about who can accelerate to the speed of the nearest road (the GPS would assume thats where you are) the fastest.

Also, another reason carb > FI

I knew one day the man would be shutting us down via satelite.

12secondv6 · 12-04-2005, 08:51 AM

Damn canadians!

Ian · 12-04-2005, 01:08 PM

There are provisions for something very similar in OBD III. Except OBD III would be able to steer your car to the side of the road and shut it down. Things like steer by wire and throttle by wire make this possible. then you'd have to call the dealership to have it reactivated as well has have to deal with a big fine. I dont think that will be in the final version of obd III though. at least I hope not.

Savage_Messiah · 12-04-2005, 01:11 PM

I doubt that would come out, say there's a person, car, deer etc on the side of the road? What if it's a narrow, unsafe road? What if youre runnin from the popo???

NJSPEEDER · 12-04-2005, 01:14 PM

teh government already has enougyuh problems dealing with the "black box" that the last 2 gens fo vettes came with.
legally they are only for data collection purposes, but the police and insurance companies have already been busted for trying to use the data against people.

Ian · 12-04-2005, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

I doubt that would come out, say there's a person, car, deer etc on the side of the road? What if it's a narrow, unsafe road? What if youre runnin from the popo???

I know, thats why it wont be released. And what if you're being chased by someone, you'd want to speed away, but the gas pedal wont let you. its just not safe. the governemt thinks it protecting us from ourselves but its just making more problems.

NJSPEEDER · 12-04-2005, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian

the governemt thinks it protecting us from ourselves but its just making more problems.

if any politician anywhere would look more towards education and skills training as a solution to society's problems all of this coudl be avoided anyway.
billions of dollars spent telling us what we are allowed to want to watch on TV instead of teaching right from wrong in schools is jsut retarded.

i will stop before i go off on another rant. lol

Savage_Messiah · 12-04-2005, 02:01 PM

and the politically correct ******** makes that problem 100 times worse. I have teachers that can't even help out individuals because it's "singling them out" and that's "mean" and "unfair"

camaro2you · 12-04-2005, 03:57 PM

ah this is why we have our old american muscle cars haha **** new age technology. lol

jims69camaro · 12-04-2005, 05:09 PM

one of the crime shows i watch had the cops calling some company that collects the data to find the last known position of a car that a criminal was using. now, that's a good use for the system, but someone better get some regulations in place quickly before this gets out of hand.

reminds me of how the people were not using EZpass because they thought the cops would start writing tickets based on the time between toll booths. yet another way for the man to **** us in the ass and make us pay him for the privelege. BOHICA.

trashman01 · 12-04-2005, 05:32 PM

wait till Can-Bus systems come out

Ian · 12-04-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 88ta5spd

wait till Can-Bus systems come out

05 grand cherokees and 300's have them

coldkilla · 12-05-2005, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian

05 grand cherokees and 300's have them

and what are they exactly?

Brando56894 · 12-05-2005, 04:38 PM

just what i was wondering too. and yea all that politically correct ******** pisses me off, me and my dad were watching somethin on tv and the psychologist said that a child had a problem with authority (she gave it some big name something or the other syndrome) and my dad was like: no that little **** just needs his ass beat! my intro to lit professor actually goes against all this politically correct ********, when we read stories she asks us to analyze stuff and shes like dont be afraid to call something what it is. i dont really care who i offend.... as long as i dont get my ass beat in the process

Ian · 12-05-2005, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by coldkilla

and what are they exactly?

It just makes communication between teh different modules simpler. Instead of there being one wire going from mod-A to mod-B and From mod-A to mod-C, There is a central "hub" where all the info is interchanged so there are less wires. some of the wires can work in two directions too. mod-a sends a signal to mod-b on wire 666 and mod-b sends a signal back on the same wire.

qwikz28 · 12-05-2005, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian

It just makes communication between teh different modules simpler. Instead of there being one wire going from mod-A to mod-B and From mod-A to mod-C, There is a central "hub" where all the info is interchanged so there are less wires. some of the wires can work in two directions too. mod-a sends a signal to mod-b on wire 666 and mod-b sends a signal back on the same wire.

huh?

anyway... politically speaking any type of speed limiting device will not make it into cars for the sole reason that insurance/police want us to speed cause they make money off us from tickets and hiked insurance rates

Brando56894 · 12-05-2005, 08:04 PM

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huh?

to make it simple for you jake, here it is, are you ready for it? now dont exhaust yourself trying to figure this one out now..... theres alot less wires when using this can-bus system

qwikz28 · 12-05-2005, 11:18 PM

i still dont get it. why is that so good/bad?

Brando56894 · 12-06-2005, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by qwikz28

i still dont get it. why is that so good/bad?

please tell me your not serious........ if you are serious then well i kinda think its a good and bad thing..... less wires=cleaner engine bay=nicer looking engine bay but more technical **** and more complex ****=more **** to go wrong=more money to spend and harder to fix.

Koll · 12-06-2005, 07:34 AM

This is why I dont like
"Computer Controlled cars, EZ Pass, OnStar

BigAls87Z28 · 12-06-2005, 10:07 AM

My car has electric throttle and electric steering. By 2007, all GM cars will have Stabilitrac and On Star standard. As for total control, a lot of people dont mind giving that up. If they wrap it in a "Terrorist" type clause, people woudl applaud the idea. No one is too scared about some of the laws passed recently that were said to keep us safe from "them". What if keeping us safe from the Terrorists means that they can control the vehicle of a suicide bomber that is driving a van equiped with On Star OBDIII fuctions, and GM/OnStar has the ability to control the van and shut it down before it reaches its target? Wouldnt you want that to keep you safe?

qwikz28 · 12-06-2005, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

My car has electric throttle and electric steering. By 2007, all GM cars will have Stabilitrac and On Star standard. As for total control, a lot of people dont mind giving that up. If they wrap it in a "Terrorist" type clause, people woudl applaud the idea. No one is too scared about some of the laws passed recently that were said to keep us safe from "them". What if keeping us safe from the Terrorists means that they can control the vehicle of a suicide bomber that is driving a van equiped with On Star OBDIII fuctions, and GM/OnStar has the ability to control the van and shut it down before it reaches its target? Wouldnt you want that to keep you safe?

holy **** they are making an obd-III?

Brando56894 · 12-06-2005, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

As for total control, a lot of people dont mind giving that up. If they wrap it in a "Terrorist" type clause, people woudl applaud the idea. No one is too scared about some of the laws passed recently that were said to keep us safe from "them".

i completely agree, all the gov has to do is "sugarcoat" a bad idea and the general public will believe it. thats like the gov saying "alright no one in the USA is allowed to have guns, because a terrorist could break into your house at any moment and steal those guns and kill you and your family" (i know its a bad example but u get the jist)

Ian · 12-06-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

My car has electric throttle and electric steering. By 2007, all GM cars will have Stabilitrac and On Star standard. As for total control, a lot of people dont mind giving that up. If they wrap it in a "Terrorist" type clause, people woudl applaud the idea. No one is too scared about some of the laws passed recently that were said to keep us safe from "them". What if keeping us safe from the Terrorists means that they can control the vehicle of a suicide bomber that is driving a van equiped with On Star OBDIII fuctions, and GM/OnStar has the ability to control the van and shut it down before it reaches its target? Wouldnt you want that to keep you safe?

OR

the government could do the job right in the first place and find the terrorists before they become a threat.