maybe its me this guy cant drive 09 vette

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

Radical SR8 is the fastest production car at Nurburgring at 6:55 :P

Show me the production figures on the SR8.

Nevermind..



http://www.radicalsportscars.com/range/sr8/index.php

With over twenty-five cars built and running, the SR8 is now a well-developed, and reliable car.

Yeah...not a production car. Sure, you could buy one...but Id like to see this one go through some crash tests, emissions testing, etc etc....

ZR1 is the King. Suck it.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by johnjzjz

Well i am going to go out on a limb and say this after being the team manager and builder for a road racing team ( motorcycles ) and with in 6 years won 3 national championships and had the opportunity to not only work on but drive a Rolex series car ( porsche ) - the vette was sloppy in the turns and hap hazard in the rpm shifting he also let it free wheel to many times shedding off time and the tires are garbage i dont care what they said about them but again thats just my take having had what opportunity's i have had in the past -- jz

I agree taht someone like Ron Fellows could have done a bit better, these GM engineers have spent enough time over at the ring that they probably know that course like the back of thier hand.

the Pilot Sport 2's are pretty good for a street tire. Sure, we could put on a set of R compound tires like onthe GT-R and run some crazy number, but this was production spec tires on a production car.
Pretty damn good IMO.

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Show me the production figures on the SR8.

Nevermind..



http://www.radicalsportscars.com/range/sr8/index.php



Yeah...not a production car. Sure, you could buy one...but Id like to see this one go through some crash tests, emissions testing, etc etc....

ZR1 is the King. Suck it.

Uhh, you see that thing on the front of that car, yeah its a lisence plate, this car is street legal in europe and so forth. It doesnt meet U.S. emission standards, but then again, the Caparo isnt either, but that is a street legal car too. The Radical is a production car. where does it say in any rule book there has to be a certain amount made before it is considered a production car, so you suck it. When the FIA announced back in the late 90's that the GT1 class cars had to have at least 1 production street legal car, Toyota GT1 ( TS020), Nissan R390 GT1, Lotus GT1, and Panoz GTR-1 made 1 production car, as far as im concerned, those cars were a production and street legal cars, but more realistically I think at least 2 should be made so its not a 1- off car, and Radical has made 23 more examples of the car then required for me to be considered a street legal production car. The Radical uses 2 hayabusa engines mated together making a 2.6 litre V8. The car doesnt go 205mph like the ZR1, but the son of a bitch can sure handle, and look at the times. When they timed it, it was using street legal tires and such to comply with street legal car class times. Id take that car anyday over the highly overrated ZR1 IMO.

[qwikz28]

actually i believe a certain number of vehicles has to be produced for it to be considered a production car. i forget the number but i'll try googling it now.

[V]

even if the SR8 is a "production car" its not a practical one

[79CamaroDiva]

are you gonna go to get groceries in your sr8? or commute to work? i don't think so.

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by SmokingSS

even if the SR8 is a "production car" its not a practical one

neither is a ZR1, what do you need a vette for when you can go buy a honda.What do you need a 3 second 0-60 and 200+ mph car for? they both get you from point a to point b, but the vette does it in style right? so does a radical, its different, and stylish.

I cant wait for a Caparo T1 to hit that track, it will blow everyone away.

http://www.zinkalo.com/2007/10/fifth...est-drive.html

[79CamaroDiva]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

neither is a ZR1, what do you need a vette for when you can go buy a honda.What do you need a 3 second 0-60 and 200+ mph car for? they both get you from point a to point b, but the vette does it in style right? so does a radical, its different, and stylish.

I cant wait for a Caparo T1 to hit that track, it will blow everyone away.

http://www.zinkalo.com/2007/10/fifth...est-drive.html

a zr1 has a passenger seat, a roof, and for those poorly misjudged days, wipers.

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva

are you gonna go to get groceries in your sr8? or commute to work? i don't think so.

yeah, like youd go out and go buy groceries in a ZR1, or go park at the mall and go shopping. I highly doubt anyone on here would do that, anyone with at least half a brain. the car is not for any of us, and the car is morethen 100K, after dealer markups, adn what not, itll be just as much as the Ford GT when it comes out, cause, well remember what happened to the last ZR-1, doubling the price of the standard vette. Ok the ZR1 has things goign for it, but as far as im concerned, thers one thing about it, its stil just a vette, an expensive vette.

and last time I checked, this was an F-body forum, which means Camaro's and Firebirds, why are we hailing the Vette on here. The local Vette clubs around here turn their chins up at you at the sight of your Camaro or Firebird at a car show. They either park in their own area, away from the other cars at teh show, and just recently, they had a carshow at my work to benefit the make a wish foundation, sponsered by some vette club, and they wouldnt allow anything else but a vette in it. who the hell wants to go to a carshow and see 300 examples of hte same damn car? I dont like most vette owners, and yea im sure not all of them are the same, not all are pompus ********, but its like honda owners, they developed a bad name for themselves with me, being rude to the car world, to think their **** dont stink, when the cars only 40K forf a base model, hell some GMC trucks cost moreth en a Vette, so its not some high class, high priced, rarity on the road, just about everyone and their mom could get one. You know theres alot of info coming out of the new Camaro, and yeah we've reported on here about it, but we've drooled over this Vette even more, I just dont see it, maybe its cause I have a broader range in car taste then most on here, but as far as im concerned, the ZR1 sux, its not a world beater, its a vette on steroids, but in the end, all I can say is, its still jsut a vette.

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva

a zr1 has a passenger seat, a roof, and for those poorly misjudged days, wipers.

If you need a roof and wipers, then your not man ( or woman) enough to drive one, we buy sports cars and super cars to get just a little closer to that feelign your driving a race car, well heres the whole dream, so dont dis it. if you cant handle it, then go buy something else, you know there are other cars in the world to choose from then this, but if you feel your up to task for the elements, by all means get one.

Oh and you can order one with a passenger seat, jsut to let ya know

[79CamaroDiva]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

If you need a roof and wipers, then your not man ( or woman) enough to drive one, we buy sports cars and super cars to get just a little closer to that feelign your driving a race car, well heres the whole dream, so dont dis it. if you cant handle it, then go buy something else, you know there are other cars in the world to choose from then this, but if you feel your up to task for the elements, by all means get one.

Oh and you can order one with a passenger seat, jsut to let ya know

maybe you buy a sports car to pretend like you have a race car, but not me. i have a race car. i have a race car thats faster than any of that nonsense, just don't ask me to turn. if i'm gonna buy a sports car, i'm going to DRIVE it. If i had 100k to spend on a car, i sure as hell wouldn't treat it like it was the only 100k i was gonna have.

I once told a very good friend of mine who was DYING for a rolex, and came across a "great deal" on one, but couldn't decide if he should get it or not.. i told him "the day that you should be wearing a rolex, you won't care how much it cost"

same thing with these cars. the people who can afford them, price is just a number, and if it was me, i would drive it, and i would drive it hard, and i would probably get stuck out in the rain at some point, because it wouldn't be a garage queen.

EDIT: And btw, unless you know what i've driven, don't tell me what i'm man (or woman) enough to drive. Chances are you wouldn't drive what I have.

[sweetbmxrider]

i have seen a guy buy groceries in a ford gt i dont really know what this argument is about, but the SR8 is not a daily driver.

[BigAls87Z28]

SR8 is a no go.

Vette is still part of the GM family. Id rather get behind the ZR1 then some race car with a license plate.
ZR1 can go from civilian mode to super street in less then a second. SR8 looks like a track car.
Could you drive ti every day? Sure. Would you die if anything bigger then a compact car hit you in the side? 90% sure you aint coming out with just some scratches.

ZR1 still wins every single time.

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva

maybe you buy a sports car to pretend like you have a race car, but not me. i have a race car.

Well isnt that swell for you, not everyone's lucky to own a racecar right? nor have the financial backing to support an expensive hobby, and its especially a little easier when your family owns a racetrack to run it on right?


[/QUOTE] i have a race car thats faster than any of that nonsense, just don't ask me to turn. [/QUOTE]

exactly, coming into this topic bout Nurburgring times is comparing apples to oranges, you do your thing, I do mine. Personally I feel drag racing is boring, and too short to enjoy.



[/QUOTE] if i'm gonna buy a sports car, i'm going to DRIVE it. If i had 100k to spend on a car, i sure as hell wouldn't treat it like it was the only 100k i was gonna have. [/QUOTE]


yup im sure, just like some of those Ferrari guys that never see it above 60, when they were in the dealership thinking about having a fast, expensive car, but then they found out the maintinence costs, gas sucking, and not too comfortable to go long distances. most of these ZR1's will never see a drop of rain, or within 50 miles of their garage. and once again, this car will be more then 100K, unless you buy direct form the factory, expect to pay a little more.

[/QUOTE] I once told a very good friend of mine who was DYING for a rolex, and came across a "great deal" on one, but couldn't decide if he should get it or not.. i told him "the day that you should be wearing a rolex, you won't care how much it cost" [/QUOTE]

I'm sure not, but im sure he'll be worrying about scratching it, or getting mugged for it.

[/QUOTE] same thing with these cars. the people who can afford them, price is just a number, and if it was me, i would drive it, and i would drive it hard, and i would probably get stuck out in the rain at some point, because it wouldn't be a garage queen. [/QUOTE]
so where would you be driving it hard "IF" the pricetag and everything was just a number to you? not on the streets right? not form light to light right? not down some back country road where your just gonna let it rip right? cause being SEMA sponser, we dont condone such act's which is why we abide by such strict forum rules here. SO between the time you drag race and work and such, when WOULD you have time to take it to an organized and authorized racetrack, and pay the fee's, and make the necessary repairs to the car after driving it hard.

Ok, all I was saying is that the Radical holds the record, and everyone bit at my throat, stop shedding tears cause im talking bad about the bowtie, it happens, this car will be beaten, and then that car will be, and so on and so forth. both of these cars are not practical in any sense. they are both street legal cars, with style, and well to do performance. So the radical doesnt have a roof, its low, its basically a race car on the road, so the ride isnt easy for the tush, big whoop, fine then if you dont like it, then get a Corvette, but for those who happen to like the Radical, thats their decision. Jesus, what happen to opinions on here, you all act like douche's as soon as someone likes something outside of the GM name. These cars have their strenghts and weaknesses, but all I was sayign is the the Radical, which is road legal, holds the record, end of that.

EDIT: And btw, unless you know what i've driven, don't tell me what i'm man (or woman) enough to drive. Chances are you wouldn't drive what I have. [/QUOTE] Not that I wouldnt or couldnt, but I dont want to. Ill take a Chevron, or a Lola anyday over dragsters, thats my fortei, you like goign straight, have fun, I like taking turns and feeling side G's, I like my funb to last longer then 6 seconds, I like to go through the gears, and then go back down them heel-toeing, and then goign right back throuhg them again.

And the same goes for oyu, unless you know what IV'E driven, dont talk ot me like your hot **** and are superior to me in what we've driven. Ive had my hands on more 6 and 7 figure cars, then you could imagine.

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

SR8 is a no go.

Vette is still part of the GM family. Id rather get behind the ZR1 then some race car with a license plate.

And i prefer Asian's over white chicks, big deal we all have our prefered tastes.

[/QUOTE] ZR1 can go from civilian mode to super street in less then a second. SR8 looks like a track car. [/QUOTE]

and you dont think thats cool? you'd rather hae a car that people would look at and go, meh another vette, over a car where peopel go WOW, now thats different, and awsome!


[/QUOTE] Could you drive ti every day? Sure. Would you die if anything bigger then a compact car hit you in the side? 90% sure you aint coming out with just some scratches. [/QUOTE]

so you think getting hit in a Semi in a Corvette your just gonna walk away? every car is a hazard. The SR8's chassis is steel tubing, basically a tubular chassis, which is strong and rigid, so it could take a good hit, but I see where your coming from with the height deal, but your also forgetting the Vette doesnt exactly sit like an SUV either, it also is low slung, and your sitting low to the ground. youll get your head ripped off just as easily in a Radical as you would in a Vette in certain situations. You talk like the Vette is a tank driving down the street.



[/QUOTE] ZR1 still wins every single time.[/QUOTE]

if that was the case, wouldnt it be called the ultimate supercar? oh no no wait the greatest car known to mankind that will never lose in any kind of race? no it wouldnt. Once again, the radiacl and the Vette have their strong points, and weak points, but they also share alot in common, so everybody sit back ,chill and admire two cars, that have taken the Nurburgring by storm, to of made records people in 1927 when the track was built, couldnt of ever imagined, that these times were utterly ludicrous if attempted back then?

let me give you guys a little history lesson about what we have accomplished in a little over a century of motor racing. In 1908, Mercedes ( not Mercedes Benz, they didnt come together atthe time) had a Grand Prix Car that had a 4 cylinder, 12.8 litre monster. the car broke many records in its day like at the Brooklands, and such. The car went 100mph, and at the time shocked and awed people. in 1926, to slow down Grand prix cars from reaching "terminal Velocity" they limited the engines to 1.5 litres, they were scared the cars were going so fast at those times.

Today, 100mph can be achieved in a damn shifter kart with just 150cc's and such, we have cars, that can accelerate in times that make hair stand on the back of oyur neck, technology has advanced so far, and yet, instead of us embracing this , we argue, and brag over whos better, who has roof, whos electronic paddle shifting is faster by miliseconds....as far as I can tell, we take this **** for granted, and since most of you are all from New Jersey, I know your all stubborn and these words fall upon deaf ears, so im just gonna say this, and if you really do appreciate understand, and embrace the automotive world liek I do, youll listen and take it to heart. You all are wasting your breath, this stuff will be obsolete in years to come, so enjoy it, embrace it, and appreciate it, cause years to come, we will run out of dinosaurs to run on......

[79CamaroDiva]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

Well isnt that swell for you, not everyone's lucky to own a racecar right? nor have the financial backing to support an expensive hobby, and its especially a little easier when your family owns a racetrack to run it on right?

my point is, if you were one of the lucky people in the world who could afford one of these cars, you wouldn't have a hard time building a race car, regardless of strip or road course car.. It'd be a whole lot more practical, cost effective, and fun to build one (or have one built) than have a minimal production car that costs twice what you would spend. A ZR1 is a car to be driven, whether you want to admit it or not.

as for all the other nonsense that you posted, its not even worth typing out a response. If you want me to, I will, till then, i'll get back to making vinyl thats getting handed out tomorrow.

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva

my point is, if you were one of the lucky people in the world who could afford one of these cars, you wouldn't have a hard time building a race car, regardless of strip or road course car.. It'd be a whole lot more practical, cost effective, and fun to build one (or have one built) than have a minimal production car that costs twice what you would spend. A ZR1 is a car to be driven, whether you want to admit it or not.

as for all the other nonsense that you posted, its not even worth typing out a response. If you want me to, I will, till then, i'll get back to making vinyl thats getting handed out tomorrow.

Have fun with that

[qwikz28]

you guys don't watch enough top gear:

converting a race car for street driving is like a hardcore porn video thats been edited for television. all you end up with is video of some sweaty guys face. (paraphrase of Jeremy Clarkson reviewing the Maserati MC12)

yes i understand that was not conducive to teh argument at all, but i thought it was funny.

[johnjzjz]

Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva

my point is, if you were one of the lucky people in the world who could afford one of these cars, you wouldn't have a hard time building a race car, regardless of strip or road course car.. It'd be a whole lot more practical, cost effective, and fun to build one (or have one built) than have a minimal production car that costs twice what you would spend. A ZR1 is a car to be driven, whether you want to admit it or not.

as for all the other nonsense that you posted, its not even worth typing out a response. If you want me to, I will, till then, i'll get back to making vinyl thats getting handed out tomorrow.

knowing you as a seasoned driver over the many years and of a variety of racing vehicles the latest being an 8 second snowmobile < 140 something speed ????, like all the other racers you don't get and my guess would not want any special treatment by island -- jz

[sweetbmxrider]

Ive had my hands on more 6 and 7 figure cars, then you could imagine.

could you expand on this? 7 figure production cars or some guys hemi that everyone wants so its a 7 figure car?

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by qwikz28

you guys don't watch enough top gear:

converting a race car for street driving is like a hardcore porn video thats been edited for television. all you end up with is video of some sweaty guys face. (paraphrase of Jeremy Clarkson reviewing the Maserati MC12)

yes i understand that was not conducive to teh argument at all, but i thought it was funny.

and funny it was

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

could you expand on this? 7 figure production cars or some guys hemi that everyone wants so its a 7 figure car?

both. I do work on the side for Rolex's vintage racing, most notably the Monteray Historics, and Lime Rock, and well as a few private collections I've worked on, gathering information, and specs for their cars. ive also had the opportunity to meet great drivers such as:

Parnelli Jones, George Follmer, John Fitch, Derek Bell, Vic Elford, Emerson Fittipaldi, Bobby Rahal, Johnny Rutherford, Al Unser Sr., Bobby Unser . , the late Ove Anderson, Tommy Kendall, and my personal favorite, Caroll Shelby. I met Brian Redman, but didnt get to talk to him that much. we were all staying atthe same hotel, but never found the time to talk to him, and this is all in the last 3 years. I am missing out on meeting with Mario Andretti this year, but I dont know whos gonna be at LimeRock, so I might get lucky and catch him there.

[79CamaroDiva]

Originally Posted by johnjzjz

knowing you as a seasoned driver over the many years and of a variety of racing vehicles the latest being an 8 second snowmobile < 140 something speed ????, like all the other racers you don't get and my guess would not want any special treatment by island -- jz

you're right john, except the sled is only 10 second sled, i run his slower one.. and no, i don't get any special treatment, if anything its worse being an employee there while trying to race because people hound you constantly while you're trying to focus.