The Car Of Tomorrow: 2011 Chevy Volt

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by SteveR

Is it electric only? 40 miles wont get people anywhere.

That will get me to and from work every day.

[SteveR]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

That will get me to and from work every day.

I'm sure it'll work for some people, but not in rural areas, and not for most people in NJ as most of everybody commutes longer distances each day. My commute is 50 miles each way, and I know there are a lot of people in NJ alone that commute a lot farther than that. Maybe it'll work for old people that only go to the store, doctor, and bingo, but then with the state of Social Security and retirement, and inflation, I doubt they'll have enough money to buy a new car either.

[Knipps]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

But thats the beauty of this car. The initial charge will only take you 40miles, but then after that the onboard engine comes on and acts like a power generator, creating electricity for your car to go another 400-600 miles!! So you dont NEED to plug it in!
But this car is not for the people that are going on long distance trips. These cars are for the 73% of Americans that travel under 40 miles round trip to work. These people will probaby never have to fill up for months.

Just quoting for Steve.. you miss that part?

[SteveR]

Originally Posted by Knipps

Just quoting for Steve.. you miss that part?

oh ok, I didnt see that. That makes more sense now Ignore my retardedness

[Knipps]

Figured that'd help clear some things up

[Savage_Messiah]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

These people will probaby never have to fill up for months.

...moisture in tank?

[BigAls87Z28]

They actually decreased the size of the tank from the normal 15 gallons to 7 so that there would be less tank to fill up and less gas to go bad if you dont use it.

[edpontiac91]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

Gee, somebody is ripping of a Japanese design instead of the other way around...

I think the HONDA design is 100% better looking. Plus it's going to take QUITE awhile to see if the dependability and quality will match THAT Japanese company!

[edpontiac91]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

You guys suck. **** you all

Volt concept was horrible in the wind tunnel. It was actually better when they turned it around and the rear faced foward.

Al, if GM came out with a FOOD line, is that all you would eat, even if it tasted like CRAP. GM has made some of the worst cars(during the mid-80's)and granted they have come a LONG way in improving their products, but the competition has some really great cars. I have been a GM fan forever, but just take a look at the entire BUICK lineup. I have a dealer friend who tells me they have models in stock for OVER 230 days. Or how about the PLAIN VANILLA look of the "NEW" Monte Carlo and Impala or the Grand Prix. VERY BLAND looking cars that only the rental fleets are interested in. How badly did they "F" up when they dropped the ball on the 2002 Firebird and Camaro and gave it ALL to FORD's Mustang. They must have come up with about 387 variations and almost everyone has sold out.

[BigAls87Z28]

They didnt give it all to Ford. I dont see everyone here trading thier 4th gens in for Mustangs.
Buick's line up is sad, and outside of the Enclave, they havent made a really great car in a over 20 years. The new LaCrosse should change that though
Monte and GP are dead.
GMs coming up with better stuff every day.

[LS1Hawk]

I commute over 50 miles each day as well. Also, GM is saying that you just plug in the Volt to allow it to charge overnight. Okay. But what if you don't have a garage and leave your car outside? Or live in an Urban area and have to park on the street? Unless they start putting outlets in curbs, it's not going to be practical for everyone.

[edpontiac91]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

They didnt give it all to Ford. I dont see everyone here trading thier 4th gens in for Mustangs.
Buick's line up is sad, and outside of the Enclave, they havent made a really great car in a over 20 years. The new LaCrosse should change that though
Monte and GP are dead.
GMs coming up with better stuff every day.

True on the Fbody loyals, but take at look at the Blue and White design on the GT500, or some of the ROUSH models or the Gurney Limited Edition and they are SHARP looking. EVER HEAR one of those cars on the street. Sounds like a NASCAR going by. Yeah the price is up there, but I could see myself in one of those cars in a HEARTBEAT(sorry for the OF AMERICA)slogan. Getting back to the Fbody's for a second. When I was street driving my 1991 Formula, you really had to love the car, with all its repair problems(starters-altenator-rear disc brakes-switches-rattles-TPI codes etc.).

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by LS1Hawk

I commute over 50 miles each day as well. Also, GM is saying that you just plug in the Volt to allow it to charge overnight. Okay. But what if you don't have a garage and leave your car outside? Or live in an Urban area and have to park on the street? Unless they start putting outlets in curbs, it's not going to be practical for everyone.

Well, they arent looking to sell it to everyone, they are looking to sell it to the 73% of people that commute less then 40 miles a day.
I did a quick survey at work...I am the only one that travels more then 30 miles to work every day out of 6 sales people, 2 managers, and 17 techs.

[Savage_Messiah]

Originally Posted by edpontiac91

Al, if GM came out with a FOOD line, is that all you would eat, even if it tasted like CRAP. GM has made some of the worst cars(during the mid-80's)and granted they have come a LONG way in improving their products, but the competition has some really great cars. I have been a GM fan forever, but just take a look at the entire BUICK lineup. I have a dealer friend who tells me they have models in stock for OVER 230 days. Or how about the PLAIN VANILLA look of the "NEW" Monte Carlo and Impala or the Grand Prix. VERY BLAND looking cars that only the rental fleets are interested in. How badly did they "F" up when they dropped the ball on the 2002 Firebird and Camaro and gave it ALL to FORD's Mustang. They must have come up with about 387 variations and almost everyone has sold out.

Just to reiterate... there's no such thing as a new monte or GP

[NastyEllEssWon]

True on the Fbody loyals, but take at look at the Blue and White design on the GT500, or some of the ROUSH models or the Gurney Limited Edition and they are SHARP looking. EVER HEAR one of those cars on the street. Sounds like a NASCAR going by. Yeah the price is up there, but I could see myself in one of those cars in a HEARTBEAT(sorry for the OF AMERICA)slogan. Getting back to the Fbody's for a second. When I was street driving my 1991 Formula, you really had to love the car, with all its repair problems(starters-altenator-rear disc brakes-switches-rattles-TPI codes etc.).

a 91 formula is gonna break down over 10 years later. so do fords. it you like them so much then buy a mustang and kick yourself when you get your ass handed to you by 4th gen camaros.

[edpontiac91]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

a 91 formula is gonna break down over 10 years later. so do fords. it you like them so much then buy a mustang and kick yourself when you get your ass handed to you by 4th gen camaros.

Sorry about the time frame. I meant that when I bought the car(it was in 1993)even though it was only 2 years old at that time, it was a hand full keeping ahead of all the problems. I like the new SPECIAL HIGH PERFORMANCE EDITIONS of the Mustang(450+HP)ROUSH/SALEEN etc. Not that I have the cash to buy one, but what does Pontiac or Chevrolet(at the present time)have to compete with them.

[edpontiac91]

Originally Posted by Savage_Messiah

Just to reiterate... there's no such thing as a new monte or GP

Again, sorry for the time frame. I meant that when they RESTYLED(a couple of years ago) the Monte Carlo and Impala, the look was that of a gummy bear under a heat lamp. They even streached out the Grand Prix design for so many years, that NOT even the cigar lighter in the car was ever changed. Not exciting or original, but VERY mainstream.

[12secondv6]

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

a 91 formula is gonna break down over 10 years later. so do fords. it you like them so much then buy a mustang and kick yourself when you get your ass handed to you by 4th gen camaros.

Guess What? majority of the people who buy cars don't really care about performance! Shocker, I know.


I guess 73% doesn't include city folk or people that care about the looks of their car.

[Tru2Chevy]

Originally Posted by edpontiac91

I like the new SPECIAL HIGH PERFORMANCE EDITIONS of the Mustang(450+HP)ROUSH/SALEEN etc. Not that I have the cash to buy one, but what does Pontiac or Chevrolet(at the present time)have to compete with them.

Those cars are not built by Ford...they are aftermarket companies offering upgrades for Ford's stock cars.

- Justin

[SteveR]

Originally Posted by Tru2Chevy

Those cars are not built by Ford...they are aftermarket companies offering upgrades for Ford's stock cars.

- Justin

That is an interesting point though. Will SLP do a version of the new Camaro? Now that Steve Saleen setup his new company called SMS and has announced SMS Challengers starting later this year offering Challenger's making over 700HP and still under warranty, what will the Camaro have to compete with that market sector?

[Tru2Chevy]

I imagine that we'll find out once the Z28 specs are released. Any aftermarket company is gonna wanna make sure that they one up the top-of-the line factory model.

- Justin

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

That will get me to and from work every day.

Can you afford a car just to go back and forth to work, and then another car to run out and get milk in while the work car charges, and another car for the little lady to drive, and your first gen?

The problem isn't back and forth to work, it is all the other stuff we do, and that doesn't take into account that Americans are commuting further and further every year in the quest for a better income or to live further from the cities.

Electric cars are not a practical solution. The idea is nice and I am sure a lot of tree huggers are jumping up and down in excitement over the latest electric flop to market, but it still won't be an idea the common man can afford to live with, regardless of his enviromental principals.

-Tim

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

Can you afford a car just to go back and forth to work, and then another car to run out and get milk in while the work car charges, and another car for the little lady to drive, and your first gen?

The problem isn't back and forth to work, it is all the other stuff we do, and that doesn't take into account that Americans are commuting further and further every year in the quest for a better income or to live further from the cities.

Electric cars are not a practical solution. The idea is nice and I am sure a lot of tree huggers are jumping up and down in excitement over the latest electric flop to market, but it still won't be an idea the common man can afford to live with, regardless of his enviromental principals.

-Tim

Absolutely not! That's why I won't buy one. If I wasn't for the steep price and the fact that I would need a backup car I would do it.

If they were cheaper and I had enough money to afford another car for longer trips then I'd go for it.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Ummmm Tim and Bill....it's not just powered by battery. It has a small gas motor and was supposed to get like 100 mpg or something. It can go like 600 miles on a tank or some other ridiculous number. You wouldn't need another car just to go long distances, unless you wanted a bigger one.