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SteveR · 09-26-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy

Didn't say that they aren't effective, but guerrilla styled fighting in dense cities would kinda make them ineffective.

Depends on the situation. If the enemy doesnt know you have tanks, or know you're coming, you can do massive devastation with them. Think about it like this, its a lot harder to kill troops if they are spread out in the woods with a tank, but in an urban situation, they'll most likely be grouped together in buildings. You can level an entire building with one round, effectively taking out an entire platoon in one shot, and with little exposure to your own troops who'll be behind you.

LTb1ow · 09-26-2008, 03:43 PM

Yes and a well trained smaller force can corner a tank and ambush it.

Tsar · 09-26-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy

It's not?

And I would imagine a T72 in a jungle environment wouldn't do so well either...

Africa has jungles?

SteveR · 09-26-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

I'm just reinforcing our gubment's mentality.

I know, just trying to be funny

LTb1ow · 09-26-2008, 03:44 PM

Africa? I thought we were on Venezuela?

Frosty · 09-26-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveR

I know, just trying to be funny

I know

Tsar · 09-26-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy

Yes and a well trained smaller force can corner a tank and ambush it.

We are talking about third world freedom fighters that wear life jackets as bullet proof vests, not Navy Seals.

SteveR · 09-26-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy

Yes and a well trained smaller force can corner a tank and ambush it.

You can definitely disable a tank on foot, but you dont really 'corner it' like you would a small animal

Tsar · 09-26-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy

Africa? I thought we were on Venezuela?

wow.... my condolences.

LTb1ow · 09-26-2008, 03:45 PM

I suppose, but any one can figure that out no? Play enough COD and you should be good to go.

SteveR · 09-26-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy

I suppose, but any one can figure that out no? Play enough COD and you should be good to go.

That's whats great about tactics, its not only figuring out your enemies weaknesses, but how to exploit them effectively.

Frosty · 09-26-2008, 03:49 PM

COD 4 FTW

I've taken out many a tanks in that game...the Navy Seals have nothing on me

LTb1ow · 09-26-2008, 03:57 PM

But considering how rampant RPGs and similar weapons are, a heavy main battle tank in heavy jungle terrain doesn't seem to have much of a chance to me.

Tsar · 09-26-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy

But considering how rampant RPGs and similar weapons are, a heavy main battle tank in heavy jungle terrain doesn't seem to have much of a chance to me.

Somalia is not in South America, it's in Africa...

LTb1ow · 09-26-2008, 03:59 PM

And NJ is not in Siberia, its in the USA....

Tsar · 09-26-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy

And NJ is not in Siberia, its in the USA....

I'm not the one confused about geographical locations of certain places.

BigAls87Z28 · 09-26-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsar

Funny, in 2006 a tank was stolen out of a museum and driven in the streets of Budapest during anti government protests. I guess it is not that difficult after all. Also I'm willing to bet a few hundred dollars that people who would buy them would have enough money to find someone to teach them basic op's or at the very least learn them themselves.

Stick to GM nuts swinging please.

Alright, so here we go again

So we have 300 or so African pirate rebels, and now they have a bunch of tanks!
So they learn how to drive them. w00t!
And in about 10 hrs, they are just stationary gun platforms because the supply of gas and other maint. is not there.
So again...to the rebel's, these tanks are more $$$ then wepons to them. They can sell the T72' to some nation that has the support that a T72's need to opperate in the field, and then the rebels can take that cash and buy more things like guns, in which will work better for the kind of fighting they do.
If the rebels are smart, they would hook up with another goverment to sell them to or trade them for wepons they can use, such as RPG's, sub machine guns, heavy wepons, and perhaps higher technology.
We arent talking about a standing army. We are talking about rebels who move fast, fight fast, and flee.
A tank would be the last thing they really need. But, they will probably think like you, and start shooting things with it, break it, and not now how to fix it. And now its useless.
Great, good plan there commie.

LTb1ow · 09-26-2008, 04:06 PM

I am just confused as to where we were discussing where these T72s are. I think I got Russia allying with Venezuela in my mind and then coupled that with missing T72s.

LTb1ow · 09-26-2008, 04:08 PM

And its a friggen Russian tank, how hard could it be to maintain?

BigAls87Z28 · 09-26-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy

I am just confused as to where we were discussing where these T72s are. I think I got Russia allying with Venezuela in my mind and then coupled that with missing T72s.

T72's are in Africa, or at least hijacks by African pirates off the coast.

Russia and Venzeuela are now good friends, and Russia will be sending them wepons which could also include tanks, fighters, bombers, etc etc since they gave Ven. a $1billion dollar credt. Thats a lot of Russian wepons for a country that small.

LTb1ow · 09-26-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

T72's are in Africa, or at least hijacks by African pirates off the coast.

Russia and Venzeuela are now good friends, and Russia will be sending them wepons which could also include tanks, fighters, bombers, etc etc since they gave Ven. a $1billion dollar credt. Thats a lot of Russian wepons for a country that small.

Didn't work for em so well in the cold war, but I guess with out economy the way it is, might as well try again....

BigAls87Z28 · 09-26-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy

And its a friggen Russian tank, how hard could it be to maintain?

True...but could you fix your car in your driveway with zero tools?
Lets say you have some tools, and you have some instruction books and repair manuals...problem is. Its in Russian.

Sure, its EASY...but with NO TOOLS, whats the point? Unless you also captured a fleet of refuling trucks, along with instruction manuals, on top of opperational equipment manuals...oh yeah...AND ITS IN ****ING RUSSIAN!
So unless included in this big bundle of tanks is a Kenyan to Russian translator book, the tanks are useless!!

LTb1ow · 09-26-2008, 04:15 PM

I can repair my car without tools any day, its easy, anything wrong with it, I blame the opti, problem fixed.

See? Anyone can do that. And the T72 is diesel, which I would imagine is pretty universal. Granted weapon systems may be different story, but given the time I would think some one could figure it out.

Tsar · 09-26-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Alright, so here we go again

So we have 300 or so African pirate rebels, and now they have a bunch of tanks!
So they learn how to drive them. w00t!
And in about 10 hrs, they are just stationary gun platforms because the supply of gas and other maint. is not there.
So again...to the rebel's, these tanks are more $$$ then wepons to them. They can sell the T72' to some nation that has the support that a T72's need to opperate in the field, and then the rebels can take that cash and buy more things like guns, in which will work better for the kind of fighting they do.
If the rebels are smart, they would hook up with another goverment to sell them to or trade them for wepons they can use, such as RPG's, sub machine guns, heavy wepons, and perhaps higher technology.
We arent talking about a standing army. We are talking about rebels who move fast, fight fast, and flee.
A tank would be the last thing they really need. But, they will probably think like you, and start shooting things with it, break it, and not now how to fix it. And now its useless.
Great, good plan there commie.

When Russian's offered some surplus Soviet Tanks to Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, they didn't seem to think the tanks were useless in fighting Taliban...

BigAls87Z28 · 09-26-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Shownomercy

I can repair my car without tools any day, its easy, anything wrong with it, I blame the opti, problem fixed.

See? Anyone can do that. And the T72 is diesel, which I would imagine is pretty universal. Granted weapon systems may be different story, but given the time I would think some one could figure it out.

Im sure, anything is possible.
But you are talking about non-educated African rebels that have probably never seen a tank. With half of them teenagers or younger, it would be a long time till they got it to work right.
In the end, they will do 2 things
1- shoot it a few times and break it
2- sell them for guns/money/bombs that they can use.