Thoughts on Shelby, Smokey, and signatures on cars...(pulled from another thread)

[V]

id cut the signed part of the car out and hang it up

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by SmokingSS

id cut the signed car into pieces and sell it off, only to find out its a super rare vehicle that he signed becaue it was built and engineerd by him.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand fixed.

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by SteveR

Case in point, the Cobra. The AC Cobra was a European car that he simply imported, and put a Ford motor in it and called it a Shelby. There's no talent or creativity there. The new Shelbys? They're SVT Cobras with his name on them. The Shelby GT Mustang? It's a stock GT with some stripes, Fords CAI and chip, painted wheels, and Hurst shifter. But Shelby charges like 12k for the package. That isn't unique anyway and uses Ford's off the shelf parts. That cost like 3k at most. Shelby to me seems like the Donald Trump of cars, he's great at advertising, but has nothing to actually sell of any real creativity and individuality.

Actually, that was talented when he swapped a heavy cast iron 8 cylinder into a light weight, and fragile frame. It was more then just shoe horning. Id like you to build a car swapping a big motor into something light, make it perform right, and not only that, but get it to win races, and have a cult of followers for it. RX-7's with LS-1's Fiero's with L67's, these are the cars that people build in their garages, but you wont see a market for these. He turned a dismal british car company, and the future of the SBF, into one of the greatest combinations in history. I guess if GM would of signed Shelby on to letting them use their small blocks, the words coming out of our mouths would be different.

As for the marketing of the cars today, this isnt 1966. He is not the only one runnign the Shelby name anymore, his company has a board, and its not up to him to make the final decisions anymore. You get a name like Ford, and a new generation of gear heads who crave for a Cobra name, or anything with Shelby on it, and oyu know they are stupid enough to pay, then by all means start the name pasting. I would do the same, you all say he's overpricing these, your sure it isnt Ford saying oh well Shelby's name is on it, we can make a little more dough on this now. Shelby sold off the Cobra name to Ford in 1969, you think Ford gave that back to Shelby.....No, Ford still owns the name. Like I said, If I was him, and I saw kids today wanting to buy my stuff, and are willing to even ifthe price is outragious, by all means lets get this stuff rolling down the assembly line, and im sure you would do the same thing, money is money.

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

Scott, I don't think scumbag is too harsh an assessment for someone so arrogant that they sued their own fan club, sold illegal "continuation cars" as original vins under the title of a production company that defaulted 25 years ago, and didn't do 99.9% of the engineering work he is credited with.

Shelby was a hell of a driver, also a hell of a salesman though.

/rant

Cause you were the attorny for all that has happened. We only know as much as anybody else. He drop the lawsuit first off. They were using his companies name. He wanted a list of the members and information from the site, and everything that was goign on. they didnt wantto and a lawsuit ensued. and as you can see, they came to an agreement, and the rest is history. As for the illegal cars, he supplied the parts to the company building these Elanore clones, but wasent directly building them, Unique was the one building them. does he have an involvement, yes, he should of payed more attention to what they were doing, but is he the one responsible, no. Im amazed at how you guys have no problem calling him a scumbag, and this and that, and yet as much as he should be nothign but dirt, I see his cars getting higher and higher with price tags, I wonder why that is, maybe cause people like me that have a more open mind, outside of GM, actually see the greatness this guy is, and his achievements in the automotive field. I dont expect any of you to go, you know he is right, Im a fan of Shelby now, but you have no right calling him a scumbag and such. you like Yunick, thats great, you dont see me on here calling him a blatent sneaky cheating son of a bitch that couldnt handle making a race car, no he had to cheat to win. And as for Penske, I like him, he's been a very sucessful driver/ owner , and had such great drivernames grace his cars. Oh Mark Donohue, only god knows what racing might of looked like today if you were still here.

Originally Posted by cbrrmike

no, i wouldn't let someone sign my truck or car. paper or photographs are good for me just because it has some sharpie marks on it does not make it special, who's to say you didn't do it yourself? did it come with a certificate of authenticity?

Did it come with it, yeah cause i can make certificates of authenticity while hes right there signing it right in front of me. I didnt buy his autograph off of QVC, i met the guy in person, holy **** . Here, you want proof, here ya go.

[JL8Jeff]

I personally don't care for anyone's signature on anything. They were all just businessmen trying to make a living and working around the systems to get it done. Look at Don Yenko and Joel Rosen. All these guys had great ideas and made a living off it. That doesn't make them extra special. But now, with all the "continuation" cars popping up it's a clear sign of greed. The Yenko continuation, the Baldwin Motion over the top thing, the Shelby continuation stuff. The original stuff these guys did was cool, won races, made money. But it's no different then Air Jordan shoes!

[BonzoHansen]

The unique/elanor thing and the continuation thing are different deals. No? For the record the guys at unique performance are true scumbags.

Yunick didn't cheat as much as he did things the rules didn't say he couldn't do, lol.


LOL at getting all worked up over some millionaire who could care less you exist. Unless maybe you are buying zmax or whatever snake oil (hey, an unintended pun) he's pushing this week.

[NastyEllEssWon]

this thread is unique and special now. shelby signed it . signatures dont matter. signatures used to matter when the person mattered. we dont live in a day of autographs anymore because everyone famous isnt necessarily talented anymore in the age of marketing.


shelby was actually pretty underhanded and shiesty. iirc a story about CS hearing that GM was moving ahead with the KING OF THE ROAD CORVETTE. he had his patent lawyer call up and patent the name before GM could snaking (pun intended) a namesake that GM was going to use.

in the real world thats not creative. its just taking something someone else was planning and do it before them. just like all his other projects.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

iirc a story about CS hearing that GM was moving ahead with the KING OF THE ROAD CORVETTE. he had his patent lawyer call up and patent the name before GM could snaking (pun intended) a namesake that GM was going to use.

that was marketing genius.

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

LOL at getting all worked up over some millionaire who could care less you exist.

Do you like sports? what teams you like? you got Jerseys, or any of their memorabilia? do you go to games or watch them on TV, and cheer them on, or curse those who oppose your teams you like? Guess what, those are all millionares who could care less that your a fan,and care less if you exist as well. your not signing their checks, so they arent gonna come up to ya out of nowhere and give you their autograph unless you got a couple buck in your pocket.

I dont care if he doesnt care I exist.I met and hung out with the guy, so I guess I know him just a tad bit more then you all do. I just dont think its right you guys are callign him all these names, when there are plenty other guys who slapped their names on cars, or help bring cars into the history books, and eve n some we appreciate and like in teh GM arena, and werent these perfect role models you speak of. How about that GM guy, you know, the one who helped bring the GTO name and the Firebird name, oh yeah John Deloren , who also opened up a car business that sunk, and also was busted for drug trafficking. Nobodies perfect, and as far as I can see , you can call him a shiester, a scumbag, and what not, but Im also sure he's making out alot better then you, and takes pride in knowing people like you hate him.

[mc73nova]

Originally Posted by JL8Jeff

I personally don't care for anyone's signature on anything. They were all just businessmen trying to make a living and working around the systems to get it done. Look at Don Yenko and Joel Rosen. All these guys had great ideas and made a living off it. That doesn't make them extra special. But now, with all the "continuation" cars popping up it's a clear sign of greed. The Yenko continuation, the Baldwin Motion over the top thing, the Shelby continuation stuff. The original stuff these guys did was cool, won races, made money. But it's no different then Air Jordan shoes!

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Well said, now I don't have to come up with anything.

[WayFast84]

Blacd.

How come when ever some one disagrees with your point of view you have to defend your self and write a freekin persuasive essay about it?

How some one else feels about something is how they feel...Its an opinion. Opinions cant be right or wrong..

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by WayFast84

Blacd.

How come when ever some one disagrees with your point of view you have to defend your self and write a freekin persuasive essay about it?

How some one else feels about something is how they feel...Its an opinion. Opinions cant be right or wrong..

1. Because I can
2. when everyone flames me, apparently they arent opinions, they are facts
3. cause I like to be more explanitory then just 1 word answers, or slapping smiley faces on them
4.Cause if I came on here trash talking your mom or friend, im sure you would be quick to defend. I may not be in Shelby's top 8, on the speed dial or anything, but being part of the community I am with, which is above this club and such, you develop friends, weither in a personal or business way, and as far as Im concerned, you guys are trash talking a friend of mine. I appreciate all drivers, owners, innovators, and such, and Id appreciate it if you didnt call him those words. he is a genius in his own sense, and certainly has the knowledge as well.

My mother says something that it so true. You dont truely appreciate something until its gone. The majority of you guys love American cars on here, and Im sure if I posted pictures of cars Ive been around, or helped with you wouldnt know what the hell it is. everything from Ferrari F1 cars, to the Junkyard dog, Ive seen alot, and yet theres so much more I've yet to see. Ive rubbed elbows with Millionaires and Billionaires, and the knowledge and friendship I've brought back with me is priceless. so you guys might not know where im coming from when I say I dislike this, or I like this person, but understand, Im not your average F-body fan, Ive been outside of this state and have graced places such as Laguna Seca,Pebble Beach, and The local favorite, Lime Rock. i hate going stright, I like to turn left and right. Maybe I have an intresti n the wrong kind of car, for people to appreciate my knowledge, and likes and dislikes, but for now, its all I can afford.

[NastyEllEssWon]

seriously though, just because were on this site doesnt mean we havent been places. i actually used to live in san jose for 4 years and have raced at such places like SAC raceway and Sears Point @ Infineon Raceway. Also have been to Laguna Seca and Pebble Beach, 9 mile drive and all of that. just for clarification.

its just wow man. you took everything in this thread to the heart and its kind of sad. relax man, take a chill pill. people are just saying that your car is no different than anyone else's car just because someone scribbled his name on your ttop trim.

it just seems from reading your post you have a ''superior sense of self worth''
from rubbing elbows with the company you keep and try to look down on those people who arent impressed by it. just my 2 cents

[WayFast84]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

its just wow man. you took everything in this thread to the heart and its kind of sad. relax man, take a chill pill. people are just saying that your car is no different than anyone else's car just because someone scribbled his name on your ttop trim.

it just seems from reading your post you have a ''superior sense of self worth''
from rubbing elbows with the company you keep and try to look down on those people who arent impressed by it. just my 2 cents

QFT

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[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by WayFast84

Blacd.

How come when ever some one disagrees with your point of view you have to defend your self and write a freekin persuasive essay about it?

How some one else feels about something is how they feel...Its an opinion. Opinions cant be right or wrong..

Strong words from you. And to each his on, if I admired someone and they signed my car I would think thats cool ****. Maybe not to others but who cares what they think if its your car.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

The majority of you guys love American cars on here, and Im sure if I posted pictures of cars Ive been around, or helped with you wouldnt know what the hell it is. everything from Ferrari F1 cars, to the Junkyard dog, Ive seen alot, and yet theres so much more I've yet to see. Ive rubbed elbows with Millionaires and Billionaires, and the knowledge and friendship I've brought back with me is priceless. so you guys might not know where im coming from when I say I dislike this, or I like this person, but understand, Im not your average F-body fan, Ive been outside of this state and have graced places such as Laguna Seca,Pebble Beach, and The local favorite, Lime Rock. i hate going stright, I like to turn left and right. Maybe I have an intresti n the wrong kind of car, for people to appreciate my knowledge, and likes and dislikes, but for now, its all I can afford.

No offense man (really!), because I get how you feel about this, but do you know how arrogant and self-important this sounds?


You are assuming that just because we don't agree with your opinion on this issue that we are knuckle-dragging Budwieser drinking Chevy-Boiis to the core. Not so. It's great that you have such an impressive resume of high-dollar car experience (hell, I wish I got to do some of that stuff) but just because you have rubbed elbows with these people doesn't change the fact that your opinion is your opinion, and ours is ours. Other people know Shelby better than you and have a negative opinon of him. Who's to say what's the truth?

[Blacdout96]

Well im glad it came out sounding im arrogant and that my **** dont stink, thats exactly how i wanted it to sound, because I am, if you dont like it, go post a thread somewhere else and lock this one.

This place is full of arrogant a-holess, who feel theyare right and everyone else is wrong, so I feel, hey why not act like some of the arrogant a-holes. apparently Iguess my way of making me sound like it, is a little louder and more noticable then others, but you get the point. You flame me on making a suggestoin to be creative with a hood, then you flame me for saying why my car to me is unique after I was asked why I put money into my car, and then I get flamed because I say that I feel your assumptions on a great mind in the automotive indusrty are cruel, rude ,and very hurtful to some fans. you want to be ******** and arrogant andhave no remorse for what you guys harp on, fine, ill be an arrogant prick like you guys.

[BonzoHansen]

So you had a soda with him at a meet and greet and therefore know him well? Did look into his eyes, get a sense of his soul, and see he is trustworthy?

Great, he was nice to you, kudos to him. Facts, not opinions: He sued the SAAC, a group of enthusiasts who do nothing but glorify him, and even tried to copyright the name SAAC w/o even telling them. He also got busted by the feds on vin# fraud, not the unique performance deal, actually what became the continuation cars or whatever the f*&k they called it. And his charity offers little to no payouts. I won’t even get into the dirty business and bankruptcies and such. I personally give him a pass on the charity since he likely has little to do with it, and unique perf deal was not his doing at all. However, I know a number of people – people whose opinion I trust - who have had personal dealings with him, not just a hello at a meet & greet, and there have been very few kind words to say about him. Actually, comments about CS are very similar to comments about Boyd Codington. An occasional nice word with lots of not so nice words.

At Carlisle 2 years ago I could have had Joel Rosen sign my car, but it's not a motion car and I don't care. Al may cry, but I passed on dinner at Settlemire's house this year. Know why? BFD. I don't care. I certainly don’t hold any of them in some revered state. Hell, when I went to London I spent a few minutes talking to Randy Johnson (the pitcher) because I bumped into him on the way to the concert. Did I harass him or ask for an autograph? No, I just bs-ed with him like I would with any guy, about the city, the show, etc. He was nice to me. But I know he has been a top shelf a-hole to some folks.

“Maybe I have an intresti n the wrong kind of car, for people to appreciate my knowledge, and likes and dislikes, but for now, its all I can afford.” - this roughly translates into “you all suck and I will show you I am better than you when I have more money”. You will learn that what a person makes has nothing to do with the quality of their character (in fact experience may teach you it’s the other way around). To make such a statement is just wrong. And your constant condescending attitude is way out of place. You just come off as a spoiled little know-it-all - not saying you are, but you sure come off that way.

You really need to chill. You always take stuff way to seriously and way to personally, like someone stepped on your puppy.

[Blacdout96]

I do take things personally, thats how I am, dont like it? dont post back, simple as that.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

Well im glad it came out sounding im arrogant and that my **** dont stink, thats exactly how i wanted it to sound, because I am, if you dont like it, go post a thread somewhere else and lock this one.

This place is full of arrogant a-holess, who feel theyare right and everyone else is wrong, so I feel, hey why not act like some of the arrogant a-holes. apparently Iguess my way of making me sound like it, is a little louder and more noticable then others, but you get the point. You flame me on making a suggestoin to be creative with a hood, then you flame me for saying why my car to me is unique after I was asked why I put money into my car, and then I get flamed because I say that I feel your assumptions on a great mind in the automotive indusrty are cruel, rude ,and very hurtful to some fans. you want to be ******** and arrogant andhave no remorse for what you guys harp on, fine, ill be an arrogant prick like you guys.

I was flaming you? Where? I was unaware that I was being arrogant. Disagreement is not equal to flaming, and none of this is personal in my opinion. I thought the "make your own hood" idea was a good one but not in Wayfast's situation.

[BonzoHansen]

So if someone disagrees with you they are "arrogant a-holes"?

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

I do take things personally, thats how I am, dont like it? dont post back, simple as that.

Life is too short to be so angry.

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

So if someone disagrees with you they are "arrogant a-holes"?


Life is too short to be so angry.

Yea, not gonna get far with that attitude.

[JSPERFORMANCE]

for those who are interested, I will be available to sign your car, shirt, picture, girlfriend, or poster monday through friday 10-6 @ JS Performance 9 reetz avenue Hulmeville PA 19047..

[JL8Jeff]

Originally Posted by JSPERFORMANCE

for those who are interested, I will be available to sign your car, shirt, picture, girlfriend, or poster monday through friday 10-6 @ JS Performance 9 reetz avenue Hulmeville PA 19047..

You arrogant a-hole!!!

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[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by WildBillyT

I was flaming you? Where? Disagreement is not equal to flaming, and none of this is personal.

Nah Bill your cool in my book.

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

So if someone disagrees with you they are "arrogant a-holes"?

Its one thing to say well I like such and such over Shelby. I didnt say he the greatest, everyone else sucks, infact you should all bow down to him, no, I expressed my views as to why he is one of the greatest minds in the history of automotive, and then all of a sudden you guys come out saying he's a scumbag, a shiester, Im not talking about his Legal problems and such, im talking about the hey day when racing was racing, when America was no where in sight in the europeans minds, when Ferrari was top do, and Ford would give anythign to knock them off that throne. Shelby has many achievements to his name, and I honor such a guy for what he has done. It would of been different if you would of said something like, oh well although Shelby might of had a strongpoint in developing endurance racecars, yunick had a knack for finding the grey area in rules, and making it work to his advantage. you see where that went, a nice comment to a nice comment.

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by Shownomercy

Yea, not gonna get far with that attitude.

I never expect to get far period. If I wass gonna be something, it would of happened already, so I jsut take it day by day. that and Im very irritable lately cause the Government is ****ign me over with my fiance, but thats another story for another day.

Originally Posted by JSPERFORMANCE

for those who are interested, I will be available to sign your car, shirt, picture, girlfriend, or poster monday through friday 10-6 @ JS Performance 9 reetz avenue Hulmeville PA 19047..

almost tempting, would you sign my Ranger?