Contact your reps! (not a politcal thread)

[JerzyIroc]

I really don't understand the big need to carry a weapon during everyday normal life. The Red Coats aren't gonna come again... lol jk. Seriously though. In smaller towns this may not be too big of an issue. In the cities it will. I just got off the phone with a friend of mine who is a cop in Jersey City and he's freaking out about this bill passing. What Al said is almost exactly what my friend said. He's always on edge, his district doesnt really make him feel any better either. But still, you never know who's got a gun or not. And at least before if you see a gun either in the car or on the person you can safely assume its not for good. Well what about now? As a cop you dont have much time to make decisions. Now he's gotta take into account that the person may be able to carry it legally. It would be very foolish to think that every person who would have the license to carry and actually carry is a top notch citizen. If you think that as a cop, you're dead. You HAVE to be pessimistic almost all the time. The more I think about it the more im actually iffy about this bill. The right to own a gun is our constitutional right. But carrying the gun around like a wallet, i dunno.

[Mike]

if you want to bring up the constitution.........

we have the right to BEAR arms, which means a right to have them on our person, not locked in our closet

[JerzyIroc]

Lies....lol jk. I know it is. But my point is times have changed. It may not be wise to allow just about anyone with half a brain that can pass a few tests and a clean record to go around carrying a gun in certain places like a large city.

[NastyEllEssWon]

good thread martin.

allowing nj to be more friendly toward carrying and carrying safely is absolutely a step in the right direction. theres a big difference with carrying a handgun in your waistband and carrying a handgun in a holster. theres also a big difference in finding a gun under the drivers seat rather than seeing the gun open on the passenger seat with the magazine out. the difference im making is that even if this bill is passed theres still going to be provisions to which criminals are not going to adhere.

the difference carrying a gun can make would be enormous. if your carjacked it wouldnt be smart to pull a gun while the criminal has the gun on you but imagine how easy the police would be able to find your vehicle if you fired a few shots at it afterwards. people dont tend to call the cops until a shot is fired. ''its not their problem'' until bullets start flying around their neighborhood. no one stops to help a woman being robbed for her purse anymore because you dont know what type of weapons they have...but firing a warning shot into the air from across the street might be enough to have the offender run away.

if this bill passes id be quite surprised...but its worth a shot.

[Fast92RS]

Originally Posted by JerzyIroc

I really don't understand the big need to carry a weapon during everyday normal life. The Red Coats aren't gonna come again... lol jk. Seriously though. In smaller towns this may not be too big of an issue. In the cities it will. I just got off the phone with a friend of mine who is a cop in Jersey City and he's freaking out about this bill passing. What Al said is almost exactly what my friend said. He's always on edge, his district doesnt really make him feel any better either. But still, you never know who's got a gun or not. And at least before if you see a gun either in the car or on the person you can safely assume its not for good. Well what about now? As a cop you dont have much time to make decisions. Now he's gotta take into account that the person may be able to carry it legally. It would be very foolish to think that every person who would have the license to carry and actually carry is a top notch citizen. If you think that as a cop, you're dead. You HAVE to be pessimistic almost all the time. The more I think about it the more im actually iffy about this bill. The right to own a gun is our constitutional right. But carrying the gun around like a wallet, i dunno.

Well then how do the cops feel in big cities in other states that already have carry laws for years. Like Mami or Houston, etc. I think the criminal would be more on edge because they would not know who has a gun.
I do think that the person who is alowed to carry one should be looked at close, but its still our right. On top of the training courses and background checks and such maybe the person should be checked out every other year or something like that, maybe make them qualify like the police have to. Just my opinion.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

good thread martin.

allowing nj to be more friendly toward carrying and carrying safely is absolutely a step in the right direction. theres a big difference with carrying a handgun in your waistband and carrying a handgun in a holster. theres also a big difference in finding a gun under the drivers seat rather than seeing the gun open on the passenger seat with the magazine out. the difference im making is that even if this bill is passed theres still going to be provisions to which criminals are not going to adhere.

the difference carrying a gun can make would be enormous. if your carjacked it wouldnt be smart to pull a gun while the criminal has the gun on you but imagine how easy the police would be able to find your vehicle if you fired a few shots at it afterwards. people dont tend to call the cops until a shot is fired. ''its not their problem'' until bullets start flying around their neighborhood. no one stops to help a woman being robbed for her purse anymore because you dont know what type of weapons they have...but firing a warning shot into the air from across the street might be enough to have the offender run away.

if this bill passes id be quite surprised...but its worth a shot.

1. you dont fire at a moving car
2. no more warning shots in new jersey

also, seeing a weapon on a passenger seat with the magazine out would make you more comfortable? you can release the magazine and leave a round in the tube......anyone trained will consider a gun without a magazine the same as a gun with a magazine until they have checked and cleared the weapon themselves

[NastyEllEssWon]

of course seeing any type of firearm is a slight cause for alarm...but theyre trained for that remember the big difference i was trying to make is that even if the law is passed Criminals will still carry the same way they used to.
If a cop saw a firearm on the front seat in plain view with the magazine clearly removed (yes i know one in the hole....but thats all you need in an emergency) if will alert the police officer that you really have nothing to hide and are following gun safety guidelines.


if i was carrying and was carjacked while carrying i would most certainly fire at the vehicle afterwards.

[Knipps]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

of course seeing any type of firearm is a slight cause for alarm...but theyre trained for that remember the big difference i was trying to make is that even if the law is passed Criminals will still carry the same way they used to.
If a cop saw a firearm on the front seat in plain view with the magazine clearly removed (yes i know one in the hole....but thats all you need in an emergency) if will alert the police officer that you really have nothing to hide and are following gun safety guidelines.


if i was carrying and was carjacked while carrying i would most certainly fire at the vehicle afterwards.

and you accidentally hit someone and

[Mike]

or if you were as good as wyatt earp and hit the car and he lost control and killed a family of 5 in the minivan..........

you are already allowed to have a unloaded weapon in plain view in the vehicle (to and from the range etc.) the bill is for CONCEALED CARRY, meaning if you got pulled over it would be on your hip or ankle or shoulder and not visible to the officer

[NastyEllEssWon]

im sure there would be vehicular guidelines for it as well. id have to read the entire bill for good measure

[Ian]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

of course seeing any type of firearm is a slight cause for alarm...but theyre trained for that remember the big difference i was trying to make is that even if the law is passed Criminals will still carry the same way they used to.
If a cop saw a firearm on the front seat in plain view with the magazine clearly removed (yes i know one in the hole....but thats all you need in an emergency) if will alert the police officer that you really have nothing to hide and are following gun safety guidelines.


if i was carrying and was carjacked while carrying i would most certainly fire at the vehicle afterwards.

a few things I'd like to point out...

no one is going to have a gun and magazine laying on their passenger seat while their driving around. what if you had to make a panic stop and the gun slid under the dash, now if you got pulled over it would look like you were trying to hide it. forget reaching for it to put it back on the seat while you're pulled over, thats a good way to get shot. if you are carrying concealed, its going to be on your hip, ankle, shoulder, etc. like mike said. if you got puled over and you were carrying, you would inform the officer that you have a concealed carry permit and that you have a weapon on you. you tell them in that order. you tell them you have a gun on you without first telling them you have a permit to do so, they are gonna freak.

and one round in the chamber "because thats all you'd need in an emergency"? what if you miss? what if you only hit them in the arm or leg? what if you hit them center of mass and they still keep coming because they are all coked out? unless you are an incredible marksman, one round isnt gonna do much. and please, for the love of god, do not fire at your vehicle as it drives away after a carjacking.

[JerzyIroc]

Ya i guess it would just take time for the cops around here to get used to it. I do think its a good point about the criminals. I actually do think that after the word gets out, maybe even a few reported incidents where a thief or whatever being deterred because of someone carrying a gun, maybe it might make a thief think twice. Like i said as long as there are really strict rules i think it would work. But there would have to be strict requirements as well as strict ENFORCEMENT of the rules and regulations. I also agree that there should be periodic checks on the people. Maybe even a psycological review.

[1QWIKBIRD]

I don't really think such a bill would make a big differenence one way or the other. How many people would exercise their right if it passed? Currently registered/legal gun owners would probably do so, but is John Q. Public going to run out and jump through the hoops just to have a gun on his hip? I have no problem with the bill, provided the safeguards are in check, but I don't see it being a deterrent or making it easier on the police. A concealed weapon is just that, concealed. So it has a much lesser chance of deterring if the bad guy can't see it. Sure, at least now he has to consider the possiblity, but desperate people do desperate things and I don't think a concealed weapon will change it, all that much.

Think about a carjacking or a mugging or robbery. The primary advantage isn't the perp's weapon, but the element of surprise. The weapon forces compliance once the attacker has gained the advantage. You are sitting in the car, music playing, waiting for the light to go green, maybe checking the text message your friend just sent you, TAP TAP TAP on the passenger window, you look. Then the driver door gets ripped open or the window smashed and there's a gun in your face? Lotta good the concealed will do you then?

Last thing I want is some cowboy playing police officer. Let the police be the police. I'd rather see the money/effort required to implement and maintain such a program be put towards more police on the street in needed areas or putting two police officers in a car versus one.

my 38 cents.

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by 1QWIKBIRD

Last thing I want is some cowboy playing police officer. Let the police be the police. I'd rather see the money/effort required to implement and maintain such a program be put towards more police on the street in needed areas or putting two police officers in a car versus one.

my 38 cents.

Some scary stuff.

[JerzyIroc]

Originally Posted by 1QWIKBIRD

Last thing I want is some cowboy playing police officer. Let the police be the police. I'd rather see the money/effort required to implement and maintain such a program be put towards more police on the street in needed areas or putting two police officers in a car versus one.

my 38 cents.

Ya i think that's the thing that scares me the most. sadly i think THAT would be the biggest problem, people trying to be a hero and making things worse.

[LTb1ow]

I am a hero, I shoot Qs all day.

[Ian]

http://www.gunfacts.info/

all the information is cited as well.