2010 Mustang Pricing

[Mike]

it must be slow because its a irs car?

it must be slow because its an ls3?

hows that working for corvettes?

lets play a fact game.
1. anyone owning a car with a 7.5'' ten bolt, can not under any circumstances, talk **** about another rear end design.
2. your car, with the awesome ls1, in 1998 trim was rated at 5 more horsepower than the new v6 car, awesome dude, your the ****in man

when you awesome car can out run my truck, you can call things slow, until shut your arrogant retarded ass up or go make a fool of your self on some other ****ing forum


and scott, my car was 3760 the first time i took it to the track

[NastyEllEssWon]

yes well i offered my opinion. i never said its slow cause it has blah blah blah. i have no problem with irs...had a few cars that were irs...loved the.....a camaro with irs???? just doesnt fit right in my head. i just feel that the new camaro...while a stout car in its own right...it just doesnt feel right calling it a camaro.





i never claimed my car was superior. so your arrogance precedes you. the fact that i think gm is ruining the camaro has nothing to do with my car. jesus christ everything goes back to my car my car my car. shut your fingers in a car door or something...that will give you something just to scream about.

[Mike]

actually in several of the ls1 vs. lt1 arguments, you mentioned that your car is superior, so yea i can read.

oh, and try not to act like a child with the whole wishing physical injury

[NastyEllEssWon]

i wasnt wishing physical injury...im just noting the fact that if you did...you would be justified to cry and scream about it.....unlike the argument you posted beforehand.



yes i have stated that ls1s are superior than lt1s. last i checked the new camaro doesnt have a ltx in it

[7pointoh]

Well the Mustang has a good following and 40 years of history. It might not be that fastest or the best at anything but the one thing I will admit is that it sold. And it really doesn't matter what type of people bought the car, it still sold.

And as far as power in today's age, I'm beginning to think that 400hp out of a factory car is becoming more of a norm. Nowadays, 500hp is the new 400hp. And the LS1's never produced that type of power from the factory.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

the fact that i think gm is ruining the camaro has nothing to do with my car.

This implies that it was good before they went with the 5th gen. Not so. It sold like ice cubes to eskimos.

[NastyEllEssWon]

well my problem with it is the fact that the closest thing we can compare to a camaro is the g8 gxp.


4025 lbs
400 hp
13.0 1/4 mile


thats with a 6 speed manual. thats what the camaro is gonna be looking at. with 100 more ''horsepower'' than the previous generations they should be faster than what they are. the only reason hp ratigns are going up is because cars are becoming heavier and heavier. Im not even mentioning the fact that the Automatic camaro will have DoD and will be crap for tuning.

im done on this subject. gm shouldve left the camaro dead....its better than disrespecting it.



edit:: It sold like crap because they didnt advertise. Whens the last time you saw a camaro in a commercial? Now think...whens the last time you saw a mustang in a commercial? i bet it was within the last few days. last camaro commercial i remember was back when i was a kid


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_5Qz...eature=related

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

well my problem with it is the fact that the closest thing we can compare to a camaro is the g8 gxp.


4025 lbs
400 hp
13.0 1/4 mile


thats with a 6 speed manual. thats what the camaro is gonna be looking at. with 100 more ''horsepower'' than the previous generations they should be faster than what they are. the only reason hp ratigns are going up is because cars are becoming heavier and heavier. Im not even mentioning the fact that the Automatic camaro will have DoD and will be crap for tuning.

im done on this subject. gm shouldve left the camaro dead....its better than disrespecting it.

I will be so bold as to say speed isn't what sells cars. If it did, the previous gen Mustang should have been blown the hell out of the water by the LS1 f-bodies.

GM needs to make a car that can sell. Sure, they may piss off purists and enthusiasts but at least they will have a winner that puts money in their empty pockets.

Edit re your edit: It sold like crap for more than just advertising. It was a great powerplant in a crappy shell, and it wasn't really what the target market segment could afford. There were also 4 "the musclecar lives" LS1 T/A advertisements, that were cool and catchy and still didn't sell dick.

[NastyEllEssWon]

we'll see how it does. i for one think it doesnt stand a chance unless they move move move move move the base models.



i just kinda feel like gm is dragging the name through the mud. not to mention they let the mustang and challenger beat them to the punch. gm is always late to the party with the same shirt on as everyone else.

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

we'll see how it does. i for one think it doesnt stand a chance unless they move move move move move the base models.



i just kinda feel like gm is dragging the name through the mud. not to mention they let the mustang and challenger beat them to the punch. gm is always late to the party with the same shirt on as everyone else.

I couldn't agree more with your first point. They will fail big if they can't sell the base models.

As far as dragging the name through the mud... I think the name was stale. It became a cookie cutter car towards the end. No cool features except for the powerplant. Cheap underpinnings and cheaper interior. Flaws that everybody "deals with" like the rear, and the window motors, and the piston slap, and the PVC pulling oil, and the leaky t-tops, and ridiculously awful looking stock rims.

They needed a reboot. We will have to see how it goes.

[NastyEllEssWon]

true about the 4th gens. my driver motor died months ago and my passenger window is sloooooooow. the rears are crap too.


they shouldve left the camaro where it was in the past and completely came out with a new pony car. thats just the point i guess im trying to make. fbodies are gone....id rather spend the money on a hyundai genesis


which brings up a new question i never thought of.......whats the camaros warranty like?

[NJSPEEDER]

It is the same warranty as the rest of GM's line up, 100k mile

The new Camaro is 100lbs or more lighter than a G8 and will be delivered with 30 more HP. Mathematically, that will put it about 1/2 a second quicker than a 4th gen. Hmmm, half a second, an LT1 Camaro is half a second quicker than an L98 and an LS1 is about half a second quicker than an LT1.......yup, looks like they got it about right to me.

So the window motor died on a 10 year old car? Wow, must be a POS.

You really do come off as an uninformed jackass. If you don't like the new car, just say that. Trying to back up your claim with wrong information or flat out stupid statements that you want to pass off as fact isn't helping.

Seriously man, I don't know what you want your point to be, but you are missing the mark pretty bad.

[NastyEllEssWon]

someone on the internet missed the point? stop the presses



my comment is that people are sucking on gm teets over this new camaro, while forgetting how gm spat in our face for the last 7 years. theyre just trying to milk the camaro name and heritage and its disgusting. just like how slp wants to slap the firehawk badge on everything.


the new camaro is a complete redesign. gm should look toward the future with their cars and stop milking off names from the past. i think its disgusting that so many fbody owners let gm pull the wool over their eyes, blow the smoke up our ass and toss us a piece of crap, badge it as a maro and no one notices

[karr95]

Going back a few pages on this thread, didn't they kill the GTO because it wouldn't pass airbag standards or something? Not that it was a failure. I have driven several LS1 GTO's and a few LS2's, awesome driving car.

[jims69camaro]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

Since when were you included in the "we" that can do anything about anything?

Giant step back killer. You haven't exactly proven yourself to be the brightest bulb either.

giant snap!

[NJSPEEDER]

The GTO was intended to be a short lived project. They knew the platform it was being produced on was going out of phase and that it would not meet the updated tier impact standards for the US market.

NastyEllEssWon, you keep changing your angle. Now it is GM's fault that the 4th gen was put to an end and the new car is a failure because of that? That has to be the dumbest point you have tried to make yet.

As far as people sucking up to GM over the new car, sorry, but some of us like the styling and understand where the performance will be. There are still things about the car that I would like to see chnaged and I have voiced those opinions in the past as well. But just because I don't see the new car as being perfect does not mean that it will automatically fail.

[LTb1ow]

He is upset cause his engine is going to be completely out of date and gathering dust soon.

[NastyEllEssWon]

rofl



isnt your car the one thats gathering dust? my car runs just fine.





i never said it was GMs fault the camaro died. christ. i wish i can explain myself better on the internet. GM killed the camaro. DONE. they shouldve left it.


my whole point is THE NEW CAMARO.....ISNT A CAMARO.



if that makes sense....if not ill explain it in person sometime in the future

[jims69camaro]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

Seriously man, I don't know what you want your point to be, but you are missing the mark pretty bad.

you must've had your wheaties this morning. way to go, timbo.

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

rofl



isnt your car the one thats gathering dust? my car runs just fine.





i never said it was GMs fault the camaro died. christ. i wish i can explain myself better on the internet. GM killed the camaro. DONE. they shouldve left it.


my whole point is THE NEW CAMARO.....ISNT A CAMARO.



if that makes sense....if not ill explain it in person sometime in the future

How is it not a Camaro? Is a second gen not a Camaro any more because it wasn't a first gen? What about the other generations? What is the big deal about a new car. GM changed the Camaro's platform 4 time before, what is the big deal about it being on a new platform now?

The F-body went away because of a lack of sales on a vehicle that was already living under a suffering margin. It was a marketing failure in a time when people were getting away from sports and compact cars and into larger vehicles and trucks. The Camaro was odd man out, that is life, get over it.

BTW, My Camaro is my daily driver, runs great, gets good mileage, and moves along pretty damn good. I guess that is one more point that you completely missed the mark on. Not that it surprises any of us.

[LTb1ow]

How much is a mustang since my car apparently doesn't work?

[NastyEllEssWon]

i have nothing bad to say about your camaro. that remark was guided towards shownomercy.



lol if you think im missing your point, your wrong. i just dont like the new camaro and enjoy random bantering even more.

[LTb1ow]

My car runs well enough to rip on LS1s.

[NastyEllEssWon]

ill see you next season

[LTb1ow]

Your coming with me to get a new mustang?