something to think about...

[NJSPEEDER]

BTW, I am a proud Christian. Although I choose to keep my personal views to myself as they are not very traditional as to the role of religion in my life.

[LTb1ow]

Props to you. I am a Christian, I think.... But it just wasn't a needed thing in my life and I choose to disregard it. But I think there are many other options that provide the same rules to life as religion does.

[NJSPEEDER]

True, the same moral virtues can be taught through classic literature. Even though the themes are of religious value and traditional religious morals, most of the lessons are available in stories without specific religious tones. Then again, that leads us right back into the issues with literacy, comprehension, and application in this country.

[LTb1ow]

Jesus taught throw actions, why can't society?

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by Shownomercy

Jesus taught through actions, why can't society?

You just made my point about reading and application.

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

You just made my point about reading and application.

I blame spell check. And or the fact that I am typing fast.

[Blacdout96]

Technically Im methodist.....a.k.a. watered down Christianity, But personally Im Christmas, cause if Im gonna believe in an Imaginary guy, It might as well be someone who i know the EXACT day that he will be at my house. And hes not bringing pestilance, disease, and what not, no the dudes bringing me a new Huffy bike. Ive said this for many years, pisses religious people off, but when you think about it, makes good sense.

[Knipps]

Originally Posted by Shownomercy

I blame spell check. And or the fact that I am typing fast.

wrong word spelled right.

[NJSPEEDER]

I piss religious people off all the time, ask Justin.

I believe in Christianity as more of a concept than a specific practice. The lessons are good and church provided a good support system and sense of community in my life when I really needed it.

I suppose my faith could work with any faith for what it provides me. In my case the church that I found helpful happened to be Christian.

Faith is individual and I can't bring myself to blame, hate, or otherwise refuse to accept someone else's individual views of religion.

[LTb1ow]

Throw and through, similar. Idk, I know my mistake and if your arguement is that,that mistake entails my lack of intelligence then you are wrong. I would have picked it up if I were to revise my work, but since this is an online forum, figured its not as important.

[Knipps]

My biggest beef is when people don't know there/their/they're. weather/whether too. how obvious is that one?

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

I piss religious people off all the time, ask Justin.

I believe in Christianity as more of a concept than a specific practice. The lessons are good and church provided a good support system and sense of community in my life when I really needed it.

I suppose my faith could work with any faith for what it provides me. In my case the church that I found helpful happened to be Christian.

Faith is individual and I can't bring myself to blame, hate, or otherwise refuse to accept someone else's individual views of religion.

Tim, thank you, I jsut wish more peopel who are religious say that as well. there are too many people ive encountered who preach words of their religion, and talk down others, like their's is perfect, and everyone else is wrong, when in fact noone is wrong, thus why its beliefs, there is no right or wrong religion, everyone is entitled to a belief that suits them and comforts them the best....except for those religions dealing with magic underpants.

[LTb1ow]

There lack of intelligence is quite obvious by reading any of there material.



Pisses me off. Or really short, choppy sentances.

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by Shownomercy

Throw and through, similar. Idk, I know my mistake and if your arguement is that,that mistake entails my lack of intelligence then you are wrong. I would have picked it up if I were to revise my work, but since this is an online forum, figured its not as important.

I know how you normally type, so I am sure it was an honest mistake. Just thought the timing was funny since that was exactly what we were talking about.

[Knipps]

Originally Posted by Shownomercy

There lack of intelligence is quite obvious by reading any of there material.



Pisses me off. Or really short, choppy sentances.

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

I know how you normally type, so I am sure it was an honest mistake. Just thought the timing was funny since that was exactly what we were talking about.

Was that?

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by Shownomercy

There lack of intelligence is quite obvious by reading any of there material.



Pisses me off. Or really short, choppy sentances.

Tsk tsk.

I did write it like that for a reason. Weather or not you like it.

[sweetbmxrider]

Originally Posted by Knipps

wrong word spelled write.

wait nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo do'h!

[NJSPEEDER]

Get back to the topic at hand kids. This is a constructive conversation and deserves better than being taken apart with mindless side conversation and commentary.

[jims69camaro]

Originally Posted by Shownomercy

Thinking beyond what will give yourself immediate pleasure would solve a lot of problems. And people accepting responsibly for what they do. God is a crutch. You can use a lot of other ways to teach good ideals and morals to people.

what is more well-rounded than the 10 commandments? i can't see another set of 'cast in stone' rules that are easier to follow that bring peace to both you and your fellow man. i'm not a bible thumper by any means, but when i was growing up i attended several churches and took theology in high school. i understand more than the next person what a crutch can be, yet i don't see people studying the bible or believing in god as being one.

even our laws can't surpass the 10 commandments. sure, there is a lot that is present in both, but our laws would take a 7 year-old years to understand. with the 10 commandments, it's all cut and dry - thou shalt not kill. easy enough to understand. yet, subtract that from a child's life and maybe they don't know it is wrong to kill. they pick up a gun and shoot someone. maybe if it was in their life from the beginning there wouldn't have been that crime...

[jims69camaro]

Originally Posted by Shownomercy

Nah, I think religion can be discussed civilly. Its not just about telling someone that they are going to hell or that their god is made by man. Its a lot deeper than that.

god is not made by man. religion is made by man. who truly knows what god is? i am not being lazy, i just don't capitalize god, since i don't believe as others do that there is a God. i have a more scientific approach that can be taught to people without the fear of hell/hades/pick your punishment for a life full of debauchery.

religion, on the other hand, was created by man. following religion gets people in line. it's also a great money maker. where else is it written that a tenth of your income should go to a certain institution? i still get 'offering' envelopes from churches i've only had a cursory relationship with. they want your money. period.

now, churches can and do have an impact on society. they are involved in many programs that help poor people. they have structured environments for learning what traditional marriage is. so religion can have a positive affect on people. i just can't do the whole 'leap of faith' thing. it defies logic and i like my educational packages to fit into a logical box. i excelled at math, but i hated it the whole time i was studying it. plane geometry was a walk in the park. calculus was, and still is, my favorite subject. computers was the next logical step for me, and i excelled at that, too. my favorite all-time subject was english. i guess i liked the concept that there are a set of ground rules but there are also exceptions to the rules. you can't find that in math.

i agree that religion can be discussed like any other topic. the problem arises when you tell a devout "insert religion here" that they are following precepts made by man, not by "God". they get all emotional about that. then, when you try to nail them down, they throw the "faith" thing at you, as if faith can explain everything. not my cup of tea. but i like the fact that we can chose our religion and that we have the freedom to study whichever religion we want.

[jims69camaro]

Originally Posted by Knipps

You can't teach common sense. But then again it's not so common anymore

i disagree. i think that through the proper up-bringing you most certainly can teach common sense. it begins in the home and that is where parents are dropping the ball these days. there are far too many babysitters: the TV, video games, hanging out at the local spot with a skateboard, etc. if people are taught common sense, whether by praise or humility (i think humility works best, as it's the way i learned) i think there would be fewer people who "fall through the cracks" in society. why are there more homeless now than throughout the entirety of history?

[jims69camaro]

Originally Posted by Knipps

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/confessions.asp

It was written by him but there were some additions made over the years.

all of the text i quoted can be attributed to him. i read snopes before posting things i receive as emails. too many times i have been duped by an email, thinking it was true only to find out later on (much later, in most cases) that it has no basis in fact.

this post was made after reviewing snopes.com.

[jims69camaro]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

Nope, doesnt get me thinking. I got more important things to worry about then some person, who've Ive never met, I call my creator, I know who my creator is, im still iving with them. Now's the time to live, when the afterlife comes ( Then again I dont believe in religion, and if I did, the only thing I would believe in is reincarnation) Then is the time to say thank you. I say this, there are two things in this world you should never talk about publicly, cause it never ends well, and that politics and religion.

do you have kids? are you planning on having kids? what will you teach them? how will they know right from wrong? do you plan on buying Dr. Spock's books? then this post does affect you. it might not get you thinking now but years down the road when you have kids you will look back on this and realize how much sense it really makes. when you take away the things that have helped form generations of people into law-abiding, society-involved, wage-earners then what is left? they are left to their own devices or what happens to appear on US weekly (is the point of the OP).

[jims69camaro]

Originally Posted by Knipps

My biggest beef is when people don't know there/their/they're. weather/whether too. how obvious is that one?

would of
could of
should of

that's actually a question on the SATs. the only question i can remember, because i laughed myself silly after reading it. i thought, is it possible that people actually use those phrases instead of the correct contraction could've, would've, should've? it boggled my mind for several days and embedded itself in my long-term memory. i'm still laughing to this day, even though i don't ask that question anymore. i see examples of it all of the time.

it's not that it bugs me, but what it does do is distract me from what the person is trying to say and i focus on the mistake made instead. silly, but it's the way my mind works when i read. i've blasted magazines for the lack of a text editor - something they should have but seldom does he/she/it catch those stupid, grade-school mistakes.

how anyone can mix up to, two and too is beyond me. they just don't care that they learned it wrong and are unwilling to try to fix it. they have that attitude that it's an online forum and spelling doesn't count. i used to love when people used to ask that question in english class, "Hey, teach, are youse subtracting for misstakes in spelling, two?" - or the classic, "Does spelling count?" well, it is english, after all...

even better, and something i never thought i would see: hey, this is are club, you know.

and people put apostrophes where they don't belong, like in weird place's in sentence's. and then they dont use them when theyre necessary.

[Knipps]

glad to see we's not alone jim.