so who else got a seat belt ticket this weekend?

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by Syzygy

how hard would you need to be rear ended for your face to hit the windshield? im pretty sure youd be decapitated by then.

Yeah, not as fast as you are thinking. Lot of factors involved like how far from the w/s you are - if you have a closer w/s less or oen with a 40' dash like a Lumina APV or a 4th gen then maybe a little harder - although the steering wheel tastes bad too. I'd bet 20-25 is all it would take.

[madness410]

i mean i hear the rule of thumb of speed is going 20 mph and hitting something is like falling 2 stories

[91chevywt]

Originally Posted by 69BirdX

Cops never wear seatbelts. Sucks but atleast it isnt an expensive ticket more of a hassle

The cops I know of do...if they get into an accident and don't have their seatbelt on they can suffer some big consequences with insurance

[madness410]

yeah but cops will talk on their cell phones obviously and haul ass down the parkway all the time

[SuperSweet]

what everyone has to remember is that driving a motor vehicle is a privelage granted by the goverment. If they have rules, you should follow them in respect of being given that privelage. Its just like saying 25mph speed zones are too slow..but its for the safety of others, not just the one person behind the wheel.

[Formulalt1]

Originally Posted by SuperSweet

what everyone has to remember is that driving a motor vehicle is a privelage granted by the goverment. If they have rules, you should follow them in respect of being given that privelage. Its just like saying 25mph speed zones are too slow..but its for the safety of others, not just the one person behind the wheel.

I think I just grew a vagina reading this post . Do you also send thank you cards to the IRS for not taking more? .

[SuperSweet]

And there was a local cop in my town that hit and killed a pedestrian while recklessly speeding down a county road without his lights on..Unfortunately some officers feel they are above the law... at the same time though, I'm sure that when your held up at gunpoint the responding officer isnt really worried about putting on his seatbelt

[Frosty]

Speed limits protect the public, seat belt laws are for the individual...it should be up to the individual to make the choice to wear their seat belt which is the point people were trying to make.

If I don't wear my seat belt(even though I do 100% of the time) that's my choice and puts no one else in danger. Much different than doing 50mph in a 25 zone.

[SuperSweet]

Originally Posted by Formulalt1

I think I just grew a vagina reading this post . Do you also send thank you cards to the IRS for not taking more? .

Talk about a mature response for a factful statement...dick

[LTb1ow]

What about parents not informing their kids?

Doesn't that put them in danger?

[SuperSweet]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Speed limits benefit the public, seat belt laws are for the individual...it should be up to the individual to make the choice to wear their seat belt which is the point people were trying to make.

If I don't wear my seat belt(even though I do 100% of the time) that's my choice and puts no one else in danger. Much different than doing 50mph in a 25 zone.

I agree with that too..I feel that the choice should be left up to me for my own personaly safety inside my car. But like points brought up earlier, people must be paid to clean you brains off the asphalt. I think that they market the whole thing as "its for you safety" but that really means "we dont want to wipe you off the street anymore"

[Formulalt1]

Originally Posted by SuperSweet

Talk about a mature response for a factful statement...dick

Sorry, I didn't mean that to come off as assholish as it did but some towns go crazy with the 15 - 25 MPH zones everywhere and the speed bumps on every side street. The stopping distance between 40 MPH and 25 MPH isn't going to mean much in either event unless someone jumps directly infront of your car and in either event you are going to cause damage.

[SuperSweet]

Originally Posted by Formulalt1

Sorry, I didn't mean that to come off as assholish as it did but some towns go crazy with the 15 - 25 MPH zones everywhere and the speed bumps on every side street. The stopping distance between 40 MPH and 25 MPH isn't going to mean much in either event unless someone jumps directly infront of your car and in either event you are going to cause damage.

Those speed zones are usually because the houses are closer to the streets. In which case a child could be playing and suddenly chase a ball or something into the street without looking for traffic...which goes with your "someone jumps directly in front of you car".

[BonzoHansen]

SuperSweet had such a good post I thought I was at a different forum.

Originally Posted by Formulalt1

Sorry, I didn't mean that to come off as assholish as it did but some towns go crazy with the 15 - 25 MPH zones everywhere and the speed bumps on every side street. The stopping distance between 40 MPH and 25 MPH isn't going to mean much in either event unless someone jumps directly infront of your car and in either event you are going to cause damage.

Stay the **** out of my neighborhood. I'm pretty sure the extra 10-25 feet needed to stop matters. Although I'm sure the 15 seconds you save doing 40 over 25 outweighs a child's life.

Originally Posted by Frosty

Speed limits protect the public, seat belt laws are for the individual...it should be up to the individual to make the choice to wear their seat belt which is the point people were trying to make.

If I don't wear my seat belt(even though I do 100% of the time) that's my choice and puts no one else in danger. Much different than doing 50mph in a 25 zone.

Your choice costs me $$ as already noted.

[Formulalt1]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

Stay the **** out of my neighborhood. I'm pretty sure the extra 10-25 feet needed to stop matters. Although I'm sure the 15 seconds you save doing 40 over 25 outweighs a child's life.
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I am not talking about in school zones and I did not say that I do 40 in a 25. I am saying in annoys me in places where it is unneeded. A young child playing by the street might run out into the road but that isn't the case everywhere and there are houses right off the highway with kids in a ton of locations, should highways have 15MPH limits?

[BonzoHansen]

If there are 25 zones there is usually a reason. Granted not always, But usually.

[Formulalt1]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

If there are 25 zones there is usually a reason. Granted not always, But usually.

There are entire towns that have 25 MPH zones and there are side streets by me that have speed bumps 5 miles down the road from a school (with nothing but woods on either side of the road for a mile stretch), now are you telling me its really necessary for me to have to go another way cause with my car I will bottom out more than 1 mile down the road from a elementary school?. Are you saying that, that would not annoy you?. I love the think about the children arguments, that people throw out for every circumstance these days. I like to drive 40, so I want to kill a kid .,

[BonzoHansen]

You don't want to kill a kid, you just care about no one but your narcissistic self. Your time is precious.

If they spent $$ for speed bumps then there is a history of problems. You can argue 25 zones may sometimes be $$ generators, but speed bumps are not. They are somewhat costly and around here the emergency responders do not like them as they slow them down too.

[SuperSweet]

school zones generally end AT LEAST within a 1 miles radius of the school, after such a schoolbus is required. And with a school bus, they dont want you doing 40mph down a road with a bus stopped letting children out to go home. There is ALWAYS a reason for such speed limits.

[Formulalt1]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

You don't want to kill a kid, you just care about no one but your narcissistic self. Your time is precious.

I don't feel like having a internet spat since it usually makes both partys look like retards but for someone who never met me and is basing his opinion off of what, maybe 5 - 10 posts of mine you read. You must be one hell of a judge of character. Sorry for giving my opinion guys.

[SuperSweet]

Originally Posted by Formulalt1

I don't feel like having a internet spat since it usually makes both partys look like retards but for someone who never met me and is basing his opinion off of what, maybe 5 - 10 posts of mine you read. You must be one hell of a judge of character. Sorry for giving my opinion guys.

dont have a hissy fit formula. He's basing his opinion of you off the posts that you've made..I wouldnt take this debate personal because thats all it is..a debate. One should only get involved in such if they have the facts. What you've said doesnt really have any legs to stand on, which is why your getting the responses your getting.

[Formulalt1]

Originally Posted by SuperSweet

dont have a hissy fit formula. He's basing his opinion of you off the posts that you've made..I wouldnt take this debate personal because thats all it is..a debate. One should only get involved in such if they have the facts. What you've said doesnt really have any legs to stand on, which is why your getting the responses your getting.

Hissy fit?, Doesn't have a leg to stand on?. You mean in your opinion. So, does that mean everything you don't agree with is wrong?. I said that in spots that are unnecessary it annoys me to have speed bumps or a 15 - 25MPH zone. I think without specifically seeing the area with your own eyes or being in the same exact position just assuming you are right is the equalivent of just not wanting to hear anyone elses opinion on the matter. Sure if a guy goes speeding down a school zone doing 60 and hits a kid, I will be first one on the bandwagon saying lynch him up but a guy trying to get home on a long day having to go a different way cause there is a school miles down the road that isn't even open kinda annoys me. Did having that specific bump there save a kids life, I can't say for certain it did not but you guys can't say for sure you wouldn't be a little pissed as well.

[madness410]

maybe they have speed bumps in that area not for kids but maybe there is a history of street racing on that particular road or a bunch of families of deer in those woods

[SuperSweet]

Originally Posted by Formulalt1

Hissy fit?, Doesn't have a leg to stand on?. You mean in your opinion. So, does that mean everything you don't agree with is wrong?. I said that in spots that are unnecessary it annoys me to have speed bumps or a 15 - 25MPH zone. I think without specifically seeing the area with your own eyes or being in the same exact position just assuming you are right is the equalivent of just not wanting to hear anyone elses opinion on the matter. Sure if a guy goes speeding down a school zone doing 60 and hits a kid, I will be first one on the bandwagon saying lynch him up but a guy trying to get home on a long day having to go a different way cause there is a school miles down the road that isn't even open kinda annoys me. Did having that specific bump there save a kids life, I can't say for certain it did not but you guys can't say for sure you wouldn't be a little pissed as well.

Sorry, I didnt mean that to sound as assholish as it did..i take plenty of detours for the sake of my car..if you want to get home that fast then just fly down those streets and catch some air..possibly get someone stuck in the grill, OR, take your usual detour. speed bumps are MEANT to be an annoyance, one that keeps you from speeding for WHATEVER reason they put them there to begin with. That road may not be a threat now, but it must have been at one point for them to spend the money and manpower to lay them down. Im sure that if they were considered that much of an annoyance by the general population/local residents, then they would have them removed if they saw fit.
And your arguement of it being annoying is why I say "it doesnt have any legs to stand on". Not because I disagree with you. I will be the first person to admit when I'm wrong or just simply disagree. When your arguement gets to that point I will accept and admit it.

[Formulalt1]

Originally Posted by SuperSweet

Sorry, I didnt mean that to sound as assholish as it did..

Touche , I am not one to completely dismiss a difference of opinion as being wrong but I feel that this country has reached a point where it is law crazy and everything is treated as a federal offense. Most drivers in there lifetime will get a traffic violation, does that mean they put there owns immediate needs ahead of everyone else or don't care about the safety of others?. I have heard judges while on the bench admit to speeding themselves cause they just didn't realize, does that mean they are unfit to carry out there job?. I said before I love the argument think about the children cause it is greatly over used, sure you can say speeding in a child at play zone could kill a kid but what about the guy doing 75 - 80MPH instead of 55 or 65 on the garden state?. I could use other examples of laws that are out of control (hell look at people put on sex offender lists for urinating in public) but I am losing interest in arguing on this one.