Drivers that will be 17 untill may 1 or after

[DAcoatAH]

Originally Posted by cbrrmike

YES, you get your unrestricted license whenever you already would have as long as you dont screw up, NOTHING is changing about that

ok, thanks for clarifying that for me

[WayFast84]

Originally Posted by DAcoatAH

so when i turn 18 i get an unrestricted licence? even though i dont get it untill a couple months after the law takes effect

Technically no. When you have been driving for a full year you can go to the dmv and pay for a new basic license.

[BurninrubberGT]

can I give out stickers to 95% of the idiots in this state that i see driving daily? lol

Originally Posted by SmokingSS

i wanna get the labels and put them on my car, give the cops somethign to do at night

thats a good idea

[DAcoatAH]

Originally Posted by WayFast84

Technically no. When you have been driving for a full year you can go to the dmv and pay for a new basic license.

well for me when i turn 18 it will be a full year

[Whiplash Performance]

So all that has changed is now you guys got to put rookie stripes on your license plate when you have a provisional license.

+3 on putting some on my plates to give cops something to do at night.

[BarneyMobile]

I think its a great idea. It would be even better if the police actually enforced it. I don't think its profiling in the least. It seem to me that the only thing it will do is make it easier for the police to catch curfew violators. Everyone seems to think driving is a right, driving is not a right, its a privilege. (Flame Suite On)

if you're 17 with license, YOU ALREADY CANT DRIVE PAST 11PM OR BEFORE 5AM. just put the sticker on your car and go about your business. I agree Rob, until now the only way to know if they're driving past curfew is to pull them over randomly unless they're breaking some other law.

[BonzoHansen]

The sticker idea is stupid. The rest of the GDL rules are fine. Now they can start making plans for seniors. I’m going lazy and regurgitation my thoughts from the last time this came up. And to all you guys with big ideas like increased testing better behind the wheel or anything that costs money, take note of the state budget crisis and comments like "NJDMV is so crappy. $4 for stickers?". People are cheap, and are already taxed to the gills for programs.

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

Graduated licenses are good, now they need to enforce them. Last I read it's a secondary offense so cops can't pull a group of kids over simply because there is a kid driving when he is not supposed to be (late night, car full of kids, etc).

Every time I've looked at per mile crash stats, it's like this:



I don't have actual stats handy right now, so I paraphrased what I have read.

that is why policies skyrocket when driving aged kids are around. The numbers are staggering. I had fun with the wording, but the graph is on the money.

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

…BTW, they are going hard after kids 1st because they don't vote or really pay taxes like the 65+ up AARP crowd. Once the kid laws are firmly in place then the AARP has less of an argument for cracking down on the older drivers. Politics matter, and the stats bear out the actions.

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

I already said I'm not sure a tag is worth anything, but it's not like a cop can't see a kid is driving. But kids today are not paying attention to the laws. I read an article in the paper a few months ago where a reporter sat in a high school parking lot and counted the cars driven by students with 3+ kids in the car, which appears to be against the provisional license law. But the cops cannot pull them over just for that. So how do you guys propose the get kids to adhere to the laws?

You cry all day about kids not being treated fairly, but the fact it is just like a credit report. If you have no history it is as bad as having a bad history. Kids have no history, so you judge them by statistical fact. And the facts show kids crash a lot. Welcome to being a grown up. Life can be unfair, deal with it.

That graph I made up before, well, here is a real one from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. I wasn't too far off, huh? Stats have not changed much over the years I guess.


And a big part of fatality part for the elderly is they are old and don't heal as easy.

http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/older_people.html
http://www.iihs.org/research/topics/teenagers.html

And to those asking why the state is 'wasting time' with this, it's called car insurance rates. Lower those ends of that curve and rates go down for all of us. Then politicians can claim they helped push rates down and get re-elected. After the work over the young, then they can use the data to institute programs geared towards the older drivers. By then you guys will be old and be pissed they are targeting older drivers. I giggle at the irony.

Fact is young and old people get in the most accidents by far. You have to handle the kids first because they don't vote and don't pay taxes - no politician has lost his job due to pissing off teenagers. That's life, get over it or go cry in the corner. I say screw the stickers and just let cops pull over cars by making provisional license primary offenses.

Originally Posted by 79CamaroDiva

Trying to argue with a teenager and tell him that he doesnt know everything is like trying to nail jelly to the wall. They're just going to turn around and say "yes we do" or as in the case of some of the arguments here "other teenagers don't know everything, but I know I do"…I still don't know everything. But when you finally admit that to yourself and get off your own high horse, then you stop being a danger to the people in the other lanes.

I just quoted this so I could again say ha ha, you’re growing up!

[CHRIS67]

Originally Posted by enRo

Next step: implementing a senior citizen decal. Maybe white in color. Or one of these:

Totally agree, especially in the Roxbury mall area. Aggggggg!

[WildBillyT]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

The sticker idea is stupid. The rest of the GDL rules are fine. Now they can start making plans for seniors. I’m going lazy and regurgitation my thoughts from the last time this came up. And to all you guys with big ideas like increased testing better behind the wheel or anything that costs money, take note of the state budget crisis and comments like "NJDMV is so crappy. $4 for stickers?". People are cheap, and are already taxed to the gills for programs.








I just quoted this so I could again say ha ha, you’re growing up!

1.) Should I just make this a sticky? LOL

2.) Comparing this to WWII era Jewish registration is a HUGE jump. Not even close to the same thing.

3.) It doesn't matter what they tell kids to do. Put them behind the wheel of damn near anything and they will still recklessly kill themselves. Here's the formula- key in ignition, foot to floor, tree in engine bay. I don't see how a sticker will do jack. This is a colossal waste of money for a state with very little of it.

[sweetbmxrider]

....tooo.......much.......stupid!!!!!!!!!!!

yes, graphage

[WayFast84]

First of all I haven't had a ticket or an accident and I took a defensive driver course to lower my insurance(10%) which Is still sky high. Second the reporter that sat in the school parking lot didn't go up to them and ask "so which one of you is related to the driver" I am willing to bet that over half of those drivers had a sibling or more in the car which is legal. How many of those kids had been driving for a year? Some people do turn 17 and start driving junior year...

The bottom line is you can be a good and safe law abiding GDL licensed citizen and need to be out driving past 11:00. What will happen when a family is at get together and the parents had to much to drink? A child has a gdl and drives the parents home and gets pulled over. He is now f&*(*d.

The family should have stayed the night or called a cab I know. You guys have thought of it all. Bottom line this does nothing to punish the reckless teen drivers and reward the good teen drivers but it does single them all out to get money for the DMV...

I wonder how much a year in surcharges it will be if you get caught.

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by WayFast84

First of all I haven't had a ticket or an accident and I took a defensive driver course to lower my insurance(10%) which Is still sky high. Second the reporter that sat in the school parking lot didn't go up to them and ask "so which one of you is related to the driver" I am willing to bet that over half of those drivers had a sibling or more in the car which is legal. How many of those kids had been driving for a year? Some people do turn 17 and start driving junior year...

The bottom line is you can be a good and safe law abiding GDL licensed citizen and need to be out driving past 11:00. What will happen when a family is at get together and the parents had to much to drink? A child has a gdl and drives the parents home and gets pulled over. He is now f&*(*d.

The family should have stayed the night or called a cab I know. You guys have thought of it all. Bottom line this does nothing to punish the reckless teen drivers and reward the good teen drivers but it does single them all out to get money for the DMV...

I wonder how much a year in surcharges it will be if you get caught.

Wah.... wahhh .... wahhh spoken like a true teenager. The world is against you...


You don't think an officer would show some discrepancy in the situation you drempt up?

[BurninrubberGT]

Originally Posted by chris67

totally agree, especially in the roxbury mall area. Aggggggg!

yes!!!!!

[Featherburner]

Originally Posted by cbrrmike

it is not changing how and when you can get your unrestricted license, it is changing what happens to the people that dont have one

Thank You!

Originally Posted by DAcoatAH

ok, thanks for clarifying that for me

What have I been saying?

Originally Posted by LTs1ow

You don't think an officer would show some discrepancy in the situation you drempt up?

Really?

[79T/A]

being as how I'm 20 now this shouldn't be an issue for me, but the whole profiling is ok thing just bothers me. I'm jewish should i go and sew a yellow jewish star onto my clothes like the nazi's did? or should i just have to put a decal on my car saying that. its just messed up in every respect.

I gotta say, I can respect your opinion on profiling but you're comparing apples to oranges with this one. It's not illegal to be Jewish and drive with more than two passengers in the car. It IS illegal to be 17 and drive with a car load of your peers. All this does is mark the car so the officer has PROBABLE CAUSE for the stop versus REASONABLE SUSPICION. Same thing. Not illegal to be Jewish and drive after 11:01, but it IS illegal if you're 17. The sad fact is that despite the laws being in place, SOME KIDS WILL BREAK THEM EVERY CHANCE THEY GET. Don't believe me? Spend a day in municipal court to see how many are there for tickets GDL violations. Same goes for criminal law, and if you don't believe me on that one, spend a day in Family Court.

And in all honesty, I can't speak for every LEO out there, but if a kid's driving his drunk parents home and a cop tickets him/her for it, that cop's a douche and needs to go back and re-read the definition of the word 'discretion.'

[V]

Originally Posted by 79T/A

And in all honesty, I can't speak for every LEO out there, but if a kid's driving his drunk parents home and a cop tickets him/her for it, that cop's a douche and needs to go back and re-read the definition of the word 'discretion.'

i was just thinking that, all the cops i know and am friends with wouldnt ticket in that situation, just for breaking curfew.




but the only problem i see with this is, ok so a kid is out and a party or wherever, maybe even youth group... and goes to drive home or somewhere after 11pm... whats stopping the teenager from removing the little velco-attached squares... really now....? cuz i would and take my chances

[LTb1ow]

Its a 100 dollar fine.

[Knipps]

OK so I haven't read 2 pages of BS but did anyone bother to read this?

Get a basic driver license
You must be at least 18 years old
Complete the unsupervised driving period
Go to any MVC Agency with your provisional license and other documents to pass the 6 Point ID and Address Verification
Pay $24 license fee
For your convenience, MVC accepts American Express® card, MasterCard® card, Visa® card, checks, money orders and cash.

AKA if you're 18 with a full license the law doesn't affect you.

[Featherburner]

Originally Posted by Knipps

OK so I haven't read 2 pages of BS but did anyone bother to read this?




AKA if you're 18 with a full license the law doesn't affect you.

Welcome to page one.

[NJ346]

I'm glad I'll be 19 in June. From my understanding, this law doesn't affect my driving privileges .

[Tru2Chevy]

Originally Posted by EODMonkey

well as if the nj economy already didnt suck anyone who works late is screwed and any business that profits from late night customers is screwed. oh wait didnt you all stay out late when you were 19 & 20? so thats a bs statement. if your gonna f off behind the wheel your gonna do it reguardless of mommy n daddy nj telling you not to only now you'll do it later in life. maybe everyone over 21 shouldnt be able to drive after 11 since omg isnt drunk driving the number one killer of whoever is making the graph.nj has to be the best communist state in the union. how about the parents do their job and teach their damn kids not to be stupid. oh no dont blame the parents no lets pass responsibility to someone else. liberal yuppie ************************ who are out of touch with reality. at 19 i was getting ready for a deployment over seas tell me i cant drive at night and i'll show you where to stick it.

Once again....the curfew / rules about who you can have in the car / sticker on the plate only apply to those who still have a graduated license (17 year olds). Once you have been driving for a year (typically on or shortly after your 18th birthday) you can go to the DMV and turn in your graduated license to receive a standard license and non of these rules will apply to you.

- Justin

[BonzoHansen]

It appears being old enough to drive does not equate with being old enough to read, lol.

And aren't there laws about how late under 18 can work? Might be 16 and under, I forget now, been too long since it mattered to me.

[Tru2Chevy]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

It appears being old enough to drive does not equate with being old enough to read, lol.

And aren't there laws about how late under 18 can work? Might be 16 and under, I forget now, been too long since it mattered to me.

~10 years ago when it applied to me there were restrictions about kids under 16 working a certain number of hours or past a certain time of night (8:00pm IIRC). At 16 I was working until midnight or later a few nights a week though.

- Justin

[NJ346]

Labor laws for 17 and under in NJ is that they are allowed to work from 7am to 10pm, and I believe a maximum of 24 hours a week while high school is in session.