Drivers that will be 17 untill may 1 or after

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

http://jalopnik.com/5502155/new-jers...ionary-drivers

[thor117]

"Proponents argue these restrictions act to limit high-risk activities during high-risk times of day young drivers are so drawn by, and thus reduces fatalities." - http://jalopnik.com/5502155/new-jers...ionary-drivers

how is the sticker limit high risk activities during high risk times. they still can't drive at night when you guessed it, the roads are emptier. they're still driving at the same times during the day on the ever crowding roads

[LTb1ow]

The one post on that link that stood out was the one about, what happens when a pedophile claims that these helped him find young girls.... lovely job the state is doing labeling em for him.

[sweetbmxrider]

Originally Posted by LTs1ow

The one post on that link that stood out was the one about, what happens when a pedophile claims that these helped him find young girls.... lovely job the state is doing labeling em for him.

that is the dumbest thing ever. i can't express with words how much this statement angers me and how much i disagree with it.

edited for teh newb

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

that is the dumbest thing ever. i can't express with words how much this statement angers me and how much i disagree with it.

Explain then.

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Explain then.

your statement is on the parallel of saying we should keep the locations of schools or ban schoolyards/playgrounds because pedophiles can easily find the kids there.

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

your statement is on the parallel of saying we should keep the locations of schools or ban schoolyards/playgrounds because pedophiles can easily find the kids there.

Pretty sure they are banned from these places, and being as though young drivers def won't be staying and driving circles in school parking lots,defeats that idea...

But whatever.

[Tru2Chevy]

My mother in law brought up the pedophile point to me the other day (not that it matters to her anymore - her youngest daughter just turned 18 and no longer has her graduated license).

I say that it's easy enough to drive up next to a car and see how young the driver looks....sure looking for red stickers is easier, but not by a huge margin. Not to mention that red sticker does not automatically mean that there is a cute defenseless 17 year old girl behind the wheel that will be easy for said pedophile to attack.

- Justin

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by thor117

"Proponents argue these restrictions act to limit high-risk activities during high-risk times of day young drivers are so drawn by, and thus reduces fatalities." - http://jalopnik.com/5502155/new-jers...ionary-drivers

how is the sticker limit high risk activities during high risk times. they still can't drive at night when you guessed it, the roads are emptier. they're still driving at the same times during the day on the ever crowding roads

The reduced traffic argument is weak IMO. It is just as easy to screw up at night because of the reduced traffic, it's just different screwing up. I did my best speeding at night when I was young, no doubt. How many of the way cool street racers that post up do their racing at 3pm vs late night in the dark? I also think a good deal of the late night thing is related to drowsy driving.

IMO it’s all back to the lack of experience thing. A lot of kids don't realize what too tired to drive is until they get older; they underestimate what can happen on the roads that is out of their control, and dark & tired & faster make it all happen a lot faster; they may still over estimate their abilities; whatever the reason it is what it is. I don’t have the data but I bet the accidents per mile for young drivers are even higher than daytime rates.

I still think stickers are dumb, but the laws are not. Probationary drivers can argue until they are blue in the face, stomp their feet, yell it's unfair, but the statistics bear out young drivers get in a lot more accidents per mile. Maybe not ‘you’ (whoever associates with that), but the group in general. Go blame the last 30+ years of 16-20 year olds for ****ing up too much. I helped you with that, I got 3 tickets in my 1st year, and my car got wrecked too, but that was 100% the fault of the other (17 year old) driver - I wonder if that was one or two accidents in the stats, lol. Then there is the **** where I did not get cuahgt or got lucky nothing happened. Like that o-turn I did that one night… So you're welcome.

If this is the worse thing that ever happens to you, your life is blessed.

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

The reduced traffic argument is weak IMO. It is just as easy to screw up at night because of the reduced traffic, it's just different screwing up. I did my best speeding at night when I was young, no doubt. How many of the way cool street racers that post up do their racing at 3pm vs late night in the dark? I also think a good deal of the late night thing is related to drowsy driving.

IMO it’s all back to the lack of experience thing. A lot of kids don't realize what too tired to drive is until they get older; they underestimate what can happen on the roads that is out of their control, and dark & tired & faster make it all happen a lot faster; they may still over estimate their abilities; whatever the reason it is what it is. I don’t have the data but I bet the accidents per mile for young drivers are even higher than daytime rates.

I still think stickers are dumb, but the laws are not. Probationary drivers can argue until they are blue in the face, stomp their feet, yell it's unfair, but the statistics bear out young drivers get in a lot more accidents per mile. Maybe not ‘you’ (whoever associates with that), but the group in general. Go blame the last 30+ years of 16-20 year olds for ****ing up too much. I helped you with that, I got 3 tickets in my 1st year, and my car got wrecked too, but that was 100% the fault of the other (17 year old) driver - I wonder if that was one or two accidents in the stats, lol. Then there is the **** where I did not get cuahgt or got lucky nothing happened. Like that o-turn I did that one night… So you're welcome.

If this is the worse thing that ever happens to you, your life is blessed.

QFT.

I still won't admit I am not the best driver in the world. Drives my rents nuts. But, I did survive the most dangerous part of a young adults life according to insurance company's.

[spina74]

IMO this new law is profiling. Not that I honestly care, as I have not had my GDL for some time now. In reality they should also be putting stickers on the license plates of senior citizens too. If you choose not to agree with me okay, but many seniors simply can not drive anymore. Many NOT ALL, make random stops, swerve back and forth, hold up the flow, mistakenly push the gas down instead of the brake, and a lot as they get older lose their vision and continue to drive. Another thing that is commonly over looked is the fact that when a teen and an older person get into an accident. The teen is often blamed when many times it is not their fault. For example the kid who's GTO was wrecked. I didn't read the full thread whether it was his fault or not. The police could have said it was him since he was young and driving a sports car. Really if you think about it teens don't cause every accident that occurs between them and someone else. Don't get me wrong THEY DO cause some and so do people who have had their license for many years. This law WILL NOT make any difference in your awareness of how old the drivers around you are. All it is, is to give the people who b**ch and moan about teen drivers an illusion of safety.

[Tru2Chevy]

Originally Posted by spina74

IMO this new law is profiling. Not that I honestly care, as I have not had my GDL for some time now. In reality they should also be putting stickers on the license plates of senior citizens too. If you choose not to agree with me okay, but many seniors simply can not drive anymore. Many NOT ALL, make random stops, swerve back and forth, hold up the flow, mistakenly push the gas down instead of the brake, and a lot as they get older lose their vision and continue to drive. Another thing that is commonly over looked is the fact that when a teen and an older person get into an accident. The teen is often blamed when many times it is not their fault. For example the kid who's GTO was wrecked. I didn't read the full thread whether it was his fault or not. The police could have said it was him since he was young and driving a sports car. Really if you think about it teens don't cause every accident that occurs between them and someone else. Don't get me wrong THEY DO cause some and so do people who have had their license for many years. This law WILL NOT make any difference in your awareness of how old the drivers around you are. All it is, is to give the people who b**ch and moan about teen drivers an illusion of safety.

First, while I see what you are trying to say about profiling, driving is not a right - it's a privilege. As such, if you don't want to be "profiled" by having a red sticker on your car, you can wait and apply for your driver's license after you turn 21, or not at all if you choose.

Second, the GTO thread clearly states that the older woman ran a stop sign - no way to twist that.

It was mentioned earlier in the thread that the politicians will likely go after senior citizens once this is in place and running as they expect. They go after the teens first because teens can't vote - and senior citizens can, and do to a large degree.

- Justin

[TheV6Guy]

Originally Posted by LTs1ow

The one post on that link that stood out was the one about, what happens when a pedophile claims that these helped him find young girls.... lovely job the state is doing labeling em for him.

i totally agree with you there! thats what makes this law stupid! young girls will always be getting followed by creeps.

[BonzoHansen]

Another teen speaks up! Welcome to life. It isn't always fair. I'm pretty sure we everyone knows the accident rate per mile goes up a lot from around 65-70 and on, you are not coming up with some startling revelation - that information is already posted. Here is your civic 101 class for the day: You can't go after the older, much larger, much higher tax paying, high voter turnout block first. That's how it works. Get used to it.


The sticker is still stupid. It will go away just like the registration sticker did.

[V]

i didnt even think of the young girl aspect...

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Originally Posted by SmokingSS

i didnt even think of the young girl aspect...

For you are not j0n

[spina74]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

Another teen speaks up! Welcome to life. It isn't always fair. I'm pretty sure we everyone knows the accident rate per mile goes up a lot from around 65-70 and on, you are not coming up with some startling revelation - that information is already posted. Here is your civic 101 class for the day: You can't go after the older, much larger, much higher tax paying, high voter turnout block first. That's how it works. Get used to it.


The sticker is still stupid. It will go away just like the registration sticker did.

I'm just stating my opinion, that law does not apply to me so they can screw over the 17 year old drivers and drivers with a GDL for all I care. What is messed up about this whole idea is how teens are the ones that they are penalizing, when seniors are just as much to blame(and no they won't go after seniors because that would be "profiling").

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by spina74

I'm just stating my opinion, that law does not apply to me so they can screw over the 17 year old drivers and drivers with a GDL for all I care. What is messed up about this whole idea is how teens are the ones that they are penalizing, when seniors are just as much to blame(and no they won't go after seniors because that would be "profiling").

No. See below.

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

Another teen speaks up! Welcome to life. It isn't always fair. I'm pretty sure we everyone knows the accident rate per mile goes up a lot from around 65-70 and on, you are not coming up with some startling revelation - that information is already posted. Here is your civic 101 class for the day: You can't go after the older, much larger, much higher tax paying, high voter turnout block first. That's how it works. Get used to it.


The sticker is still stupid. It will go away just like the registration sticker did.

Tax payers = voters = relect ability.

[BonzoHansen]

You have to wait. They will clamp down on older drivers someday...just wait for the next one to mow down a farmers market or something. Then when you're old you'll complain, lol.


And it's not profiling,. You are earning your privilege to drive. And they made it a little harder. Next you'll tell me the driver's test is profiling too because they only give it to new drivers.

[spina74]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

You have to wait. They will clamp down on older drivers someday...just wait for the next one to mow down a farmers market or something. Then when you're old you'll complain, lol.

So thats all it will take is a few broken bones and possibly a death or 2 huh? I most likely won't complain as my kids will have to drive me around so I can kick back with my smoking jacket, pipe, and coke bottle glasses.

[BonzoHansen]

It might. I'll almost guarantee no elected official will bring it up without a public outcry to do otherwise. It would be political suicide. Welcome to how the world works. Tomorrow we'll talk regressive tax structures.


OOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

You get active, start badgering your elected officials to get off their asses and get on this. Start a grass roots campaign, show them there are plenty of voters who agree with you. That is the only thing they know, votes. Whining about the inequalities of teenage life on a Camaro/Firebird forum will get you no where but giggled at by the no longer teenagers.

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

It might. Welcome to how the world works. Tomorrow we'll talk regressive tax structures.


OOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

You get active, start badgering your elected officials to get off their asses and get on this. Start a grass roots campaign, show them there are plenty of voters who agree with you. That is the only thing they know, votes. Whining about the inequalities of teenage life on a Camaro forum will get you no where but giggled at by the no longer teenagers.

Camaro only eh?

I am calling my Representative! Bias!

[3origZlovers]

Saw on the news today that New Jersey is making all drivers 20 and younger attach a red sticker to their license plate. Heard all kinds of pro and con...
just curious as to what everyone thinks about it...is the "stalker" argument legit?
Here in Missouri they just passed a "no text" while driving for the younger drivers, another bill, soon to be passed; will ban texting for all drivers. I think thats a good idea, I've met more than one vehicle edging towards my side of the road because the driver was paying more attention to their phone than to the road.
Does New Jersey have a text ban law?

[thor117]

NJ has a no cellphone law use law. No texting or talking unless using a hands free device. But there is no specific law on texting, its just an overall ban on the use

[Mike]

Its not for all drivers from 17 to 20. Its for drivers 17 to 20 that are STILL ON PROVISIONAL LISENCE.

I also hate that stalker argument. Young female drivers don't complain about high scoool or college parking permits. And love putting on the college stickers.