So Buick gave the regal the green light.... - NJFBOA - Home of New Jersey's Camaros and Firebirds

Blacdout96 · 05-21-2010, 07:52 AM

I'm glad to see them bring out that car, BUT I have one problem, the engine options. they want to put a 2.0T making 255hp in the AWD setup, and I feel it's a bad move. I understand people will be buying it for the comfort, and the safety of the AWD system, but for someone like me looking into one that has a little more gitty up, especially with the SHO-wboat weighing in some serious numbers, both weight and power, I think they are droppign the ball wiht the high end model being 255hp. It would be awesome if they came out with a GNX edition with a 3.6 turbo/ TT vehicle to take on the Ford SHO.

What do you guys think. BTW, the car looks sexy for a sedan IMO, keep the concept front end.

greenformula92 · 05-21-2010, 08:19 AM

i think there should be a GNX of some sort. and it should have at least 325 horse might help bring buick back to what it was. take the new camaro v6 and turbo it....that would be a at least 350 horse and would keep the cost down since the motor is already in production

NastyEllEssWon · 05-21-2010, 08:23 AM

man buick news moves slow????

BonzoHansen · 05-21-2010, 08:30 AM

The usual MO is introduce a car, then later introduce a hotter version. So wait.

r0nin89 · 05-21-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by blk95formula

i think there should be a GNX of some sort. and it should have at least 325 horse might help bring buick back to what it was. take the new camaro v6 and turbo it....that would be a at least 350 horse and would keep the cost down since the motor is already in production

Lol hopping a 300hp motor to 350 with a TT setup isnt much return

WildBillyT · 05-21-2010, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

The usual MO is introduce a car, then later introduce a hotter version. So wait.

Yup. Don't build an entire model of car with no proven interest.

Knipps · 05-21-2010, 09:22 AM

What Bonzo & WBT said.

Blacdout96 · 05-21-2010, 01:08 PM

Maybe BigAl has some insight, and rubbed a few elbows with some higher ups to give us a sneak peak.

iroc86NJ · 05-21-2010, 01:59 PM

GS is in the works with a 255 HP turbo 4 banger.

IMO I don't suspect they will make a GNX version to compete with the SHO. From what I've read the regal is meant to compete with the TSX, which has similar dimensions and Drivetrain options.

I suspect Buick will make a (junior) executive rocket ship version of the LaCrosse, to go head to head with the SHO...and steal some luxury buyers from Lexus in the process. my.02

NJ Torque · 05-21-2010, 06:05 PM

I would be very upset to see the GN/GNX name used.

BigAls87Z28 · 05-21-2010, 06:19 PM

Jim Federico told us that he wants more out the 2.0T
There will not be a V6 or V8 for this car.
The Regal GS will probably end somewhere in the 270hp/300ftlbs mark and still manage to pull down good gas milage for an AWD car.
The Regal is over a foot and nearly 700lbs lighter then the SHO.
Regal GS's internal bench mark is the Commodore SS-V or Pontiac G8 GT
Target car is the Audi S4.
Regal is a TSX/Euro Honda Accord fighter, as it is in Europe.

Jay, its been a no-brainer since Detroit but the offical word was give out just the other day.
GS goes Job one April 1st, 2011 if I remember right.

The GS we saw on the show circuit is in fact an Insigna OPC/VXR with the 325hp Turbo 2.8. But that engine is a gas hog.

NastyEllEssWon · 05-21-2010, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Jim Federico told us that he wants more out the 2.0T
There will not be a V6 or V8 for this car.
The Regal GS will probably end somewhere in the 270hp/300ftlbs mark and still manage to pull down good gas milage for an AWD car.
The Regal is over a foot and nearly 700lbs lighter then the SHO.
Regal GS's internal bench mark is the Commodore SS-V or Pontiac G8 GT
Target car is the Audi S4.
Regal is a TSX/Euro Honda Accord fighter, as it is in Europe.

Jay, its been a no-brainer since Detroit but the offical word was give out just the other day.
GS goes Job one April 1st, 2011 if I remember right.

The GS we saw on the show circuit is in fact an Insigna OPC/VXR with the 325hp Turbo 2.8. But that engine is a gas hog.

so they fixed the water cooler!!!! hoooray

BigAls87Z28 · 05-21-2010, 06:35 PM

Still a ****...

Actually got to talk to him at the North American International Auto Show.

edpontiac91 · 05-21-2010, 07:07 PM

Hey Al, If the benchmark is the G8 GT, it has a LOOOONG way to go to beat it in the performance area. I think you'll need at least a 6 cylinder in the GS model to have some bragging rites. GM is implying that a 2.0T would be good for low 13's?

LOL

NastyEllEssWon · 05-21-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by edpontiac91

Hey Al, If the benchmark is the G8 GT, it has a LOOOONG way to go to beat it in the performance area. I think you'll need at least a 6 cylinder in the GS model to have some bragging rites. GM is implying that a 2.0T would be good for low 13's?

LOL

it is in the cobalt

Frosty · 05-21-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by edpontiac91

Hey Al, If the benchmark is the G8 GT, it has a LOOOONG way to go to beat it in the performance area. I think you'll need at least a 6 cylinder in the GS model to have some bragging rites. GM is implying that a 2.0T would be good for low 13's?

LOL

I think he means in terms of quality, fit and finish.

edpontiac91 · 05-21-2010, 08:35 PM

The Cobolt SS is also a LOT lighter, and a 6-speed manual trans. I just feel that if your going to purchase a performance version of the Regal (GS) then your not looking for 35 mpg. The old Regal GS and the Grand Prix GTP were both capable of getting 29-30 mpg highway, so having a 6 cylinder will not eat you out of house and home unless the owner enjoys being aggressive with the gas pedal. Hell, the Taurus SHO has twin turbos and FORD plasters that fact all over automotive magazines.

BigAls87Z28 · 05-21-2010, 09:12 PM

Fit, finish, handling and performance. Regal GS is some 400-500lbs lighter then G8 GT.
V6 doesnt always mean performance. Hyundai is taking a serious step into the direction that everyone else will be very soon, 4cyl only line for its Sonata and removing the traditional V6 engine.
The new turbo 4cyl in the new Sonata will pack 274hp and get something like 34mpg highway, only 2mpg off the standard 200hp 2.4 4cyl.

People will eventually learn that more cylinders doesnt mean better performance. The Insigna aka Regal, became Europe's car of the year based on the 2.0 turbo engine. Not its 2.8 turbo, not its diesel...

LTb1ow · 05-21-2010, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Fit, finish, handling and performance. Regal GS is some 400-500lbs lighter then G8 GT.
V6 doesnt always mean performance. Hyundai is taking a serious step into the direction that everyone else will be very soon, 4cyl only line for its Sonata and removing the traditional V6 engine.
The new turbo 4cyl in the new Sonata will pack 274hp and get something like 34mpg highway, only 2mpg off the standard 200hp 2.4 4cyl.

People will eventually learn that more cylinders doesnt mean better performance. The Insigna aka Regal, became Europe's car of the year based on the 2.0 turbo engine. Not its 2.8 turbo, not its diesel...

Geez, I see why you are selling off all your fbods.

BigAls87Z28 · 05-21-2010, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by edpontiac91

The Cobolt SS is also a LOT lighter, and a 6-speed manual trans. I just feel that if your going to purchase a performance version of the Regal (GS) then your not looking for 35 mpg. The old Regal GS and the Grand Prix GTP were both capable of getting 29-30 mpg highway, so having a 6 cylinder will not eat you out of house and home unless the owner enjoys being aggressive with the gas pedal. Hell, the Taurus SHO has twin turbos and FORD plasters that fact all over automotive magazines.

and the Regal could match the SHO with 2/3's the cylinders and 1/2 the turbos, but offer much better handling, and a TRUE performance package. But again, the Regal and the Taurus are not nearly the same vehicle.
If there is a twin turbo, Haladex AWD Buick LaCrosse...that would be more in line with the Taurus.
The new upcoming Impala with the same system would also be more inline with the Taurus.

If the Fusion/Millan/MKZ decided to make a performance sedan with a turbo 4cyl engine ....that would be similar to the Regal GS.
The old Regal GS and GP GTP made 240hp and its EPA is equal to that of 280hp, 4000lbs Buick lacrosse AWD.
What it can get, and what it will get rated from the EPA are two very different things. EPA numbers are the numbers everyone will benchmark against, not what some guy from somewhere that got one time hypermilling on the highway.

WildBillyT · 05-21-2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Fit, finish, handling and performance. Regal GS is some 400-500lbs lighter then G8 GT.
V6 doesnt always mean performance. Hyundai is taking a serious step into the direction that everyone else will be very soon, 4cyl only line for its Sonata and removing the traditional V6 engine.
The new turbo 4cyl in the new Sonata will pack 274hp and get something like 34mpg highway, only 2mpg off the standard 200hp 2.4 4cyl.

People will eventually learn that more cylinders doesnt mean better performance. The Insigna aka Regal, became Europe's car of the year based on the 2.0 turbo engine. Not its 2.8 turbo, not its diesel...

How so?

NastyEllEssWon · 05-21-2010, 09:18 PM

this must be the reason he came home with that impalibu and not a camaro

BigAls87Z28 · 05-21-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Geez, I see why you are selling off all your fbods.

I sold one to get money to put in a better more powerful V8 into another....
you got me Matt...

The idea that 4cyl are for ****** econoboxes that are heaps are over. The idea that the V6 is the the top of the midsized world is over. Hyundai and to a lesser part Buick will start to take that wall down.
BMW will replace its base N/A 6cyls with turbo 4's, Its V8's with turbo 6's, and Twin turbo V8s replacing its V10's and V12's, as will Benz.
AMG is working on more effiecent powertrains to replace its 6.2 liter V8 already.
Audi is already jumping in by replacing the old V8 out of the S4 and putting in a supercharged V6.
Dont be surprised if the turbo 4 makes it into the base 6th Gen Camaro once it gets downsized in 2014.

BigAls87Z28 · 05-21-2010, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

this must be the reason he came home with that impalibu and not a camaro

Greedy dealers jacking up pricing is the major reason I didnt come home with at least a V6 Camaro.

LTb1ow · 05-21-2010, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Fit, finish, handling and performance. Regal GS is some 400-500lbs lighter then G8 GT.
V6 doesnt always mean performance. Hyundai is taking a serious step into the direction that everyone else will be very soon, 4cyl only line for its Sonata and removing the traditional V6 engine.
The new turbo 4cyl in the new Sonata will pack 274hp and get something like 34mpg highway, only 2mpg off the standard 200hp 2.4 4cyl.

People will eventually learn that more cylinders doesnt mean better performance. The Insigna aka Regal, became Europe's car of the year based on the 2.0 turbo engine. Not its 2.8 turbo, not its diesel...

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Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

I sold one to get money to put in a better more powerful V8 into another....
you got me Matt...

You are doing it wrong Pal.