2012 Z28....

[iroc86NJ]

Just got this months Motor Trend in the mail. I'm reading the article on the Hurst Edition Camaro and see the side has some other special edition Camaros listed with estimated pricing. MT says the new Z28 will go for 60k!.

Personally i think MT is crazy for thinking the new Z will command vette money. Has anyone heard about pricing on the new Z? IMO GM will probably put an MSRP of 45K on the base model.

[NJ346]

It will command vette $$.

Go here to find out why: http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52382

[Frosty]

Why is it crazy that it will command 'vette money? It'll be faster than a base C6.

[BigAls87Z28]

GT500 commands Vette money? Gunna be a lot of stuff on kthis car.

[sweetbmxrider]

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Why is it crazy that it will command 'vette money? It'll be faster than a base C6.

Because its a Camaro maybe? If I had the choice of getting a Vette or a camaro for 60k I would get the Vette!

Still looks okay at best!

[r0nin89]

Originally Posted by Slow-V6

Because its a Camaro maybe? If I had the choice of getting a Vette or a camaro for 60k I would get the Vette!

But thats you. I'm 6'5" and I dont fit in a vette so why would I want a cramped little sports car to go fast when I could go fast comfortably in a z28?

AND even if it takes a 100,000 vette to intrigue me, only takes a 60,000 camaro to make me drool.

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by r0nin89

But thats you. I'm 6'5" and I dont fit in a vette so why would I want a cramped little sports car to go fast when I could go fast comfortably in a z28?

AND even if it takes a 100,000 vette to intrigue me, only takes a 60,000 camaro to make me drool.

More power to you! If you wanna drop 60 grand on a Camaro then go right ahead.

At 6'5 you wouldnt fit very well in a Camaro either. I am 5'10 and have to put the seat all the way back to feel comfortable in my firebirds.

[iroc86NJ]

Firstly - Al- the GT500 is Fords halo car so I understand the high price. Plus people pay stupid money for anything associated with Shelby.

Second - The Z28 will be faster then the base vette in a straight line, but at 60K we're not talking about a base vette. IMO There is no way the Z28 will be faster then the Grand Sport.

[Frosty]

I gotta laugh at some people...can GM do anything right? Like any of us broke asses can afford a $45K car let alone $60K....so what's it matter?

So basically, in your eyes, any performance car regardless of options should be priced under a Corvette? The Z28 is a direct competitor for the GT500...which.....is priced over a Corvette so what is the big deal? Not everyone wants a Corvette. Would I personally buy a Z28 over a Corvette? It depends, I would if it was a 1LT 'vette...if it was a fully loaded GS then no. The Corvette is a 2-seater with limited cargo storage and is a nightmare to park anywhere in public. The Camaro is at least something you could drive every day. So, to compare the two isn't fair, it's apples to oranges.

It's not that cut and dry...while the Corvette is GM's flagship car it's not the baseline for performance pricing.

To suggest it should be at $45K is downright comical, a fully loaded 2SS/RS is around 40K, so you're saying GM should offer the LSA and associated upgrades for a mere $5K? Lets even downgrade the options on a SS for a bit, at $35K it's still only a $10K option for the motor? You can't even buy the motor from GM that cheap.

The GT500, fully loaded tops out at around $58K with dealers jacking those prices up bad.

So lets say Motor Trend overshot the price by $5K, even at $55K it's STILL in line with the competition. Everyone wants something for nothing, this car won't exactly be cheap to build and it's not going to be built for people like us that want a Camaro, it's for the upper echelon of guys that want something to run against the GT500's of the world.

[NastyEllEssWon]

60k is way too much for a camaro. honestly for that price id rather get a V-2 if i was looking for 4 seats and a supercharged sporty car. GM is just overstepping all their bounds and pricing themselves out of the game. Ford has priced itself under everything that gm offers and OFFERS A BETTER PRICE.


imo one of the big reasons i fell in love with the fbody in the first place was the BANG FOR THE BUCK it represented. Ford now offers the most bang for your buck. GM needs to get on the ball and stop pricing themselves out of their target ranges.

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

60k is way too much for a camaro. honestly for that price id rather get a V-2 if i was looking for 4 seats and a supercharged sporty car. GM is just overstepping all their bounds and pricing themselves out of the game. Ford has priced itself under everything that gm offers and OFFERS A BETTER PRICE.


imo one of the big reasons i fell in love with the fbody in the first place was the BANG FOR THE BUCK it represented. Ford now offers the most bang for your buck. GM needs to get on the ball and stop pricing themselves out of their target ranges.

Which is it?

I think a lot of you are neglecting inflation, last time a new camaro was made was quite a long time and a few recessions ago...

If I had 60k and didn't need it, sure, I would get a new camaro over the Vette, but IMO, that same stature symbol the vette represents now is being replicated with the new camaro.

Bunch of either rich young ********, or old guys who cruise in it and think nothing else is near the awesomeness of their car.

Driving a 5th gen as a daily would make my 4th gen seem like a miata, would be a nice change.

[Frosty]

Wait, the GT500 is almost 60K, the Z28, going by MT is around $60K....so how has Ford offered something for under GM's price? It's all speculation at this point but naturally everyone here is a marketing and pricing guru.

So by everyone's opinion here the GT500 is garbage too because it's priced more than a Corvette, right? What's good for the goose is good for the gander, no?

.....and just to play Devil's advocate here....many would say $60K is too much for ANY Chevy and that $120K for a ZR1 is outrageous regardless of its performance. Just sayin'...

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Wait, the GT500 is almost 60K, the Z28, going by MT is around $60K....so how has Ford offered something for under GM's price? It's all speculation at this point but naturally everyone here is a marketing and pricing guru here.

So by everyone's opinion here the GT500 is garbage too because it's priced more than a Corvette, right? What's good for the goose is good for the gander, no?

.....and just to play Devil's advocate here....many would say $60K is too much for ANY Chevy and that $120K for a ZR1 is outrageous regardless of its performance. Just sayin'...

[Frosty]

[LTb1ow]

But yes, 120k for a car, that is also a GM.. is slightly crazy.

But, eh, guess if they raise the price, people will think they make good cars?

Resident GM guy where art thou?

[NastyEllEssWon]

yes the gt500 is in vette price range but its FORDS TOP CAR at the moment. the gt500 IS THE CORVETTE in Fords fleet, so it can command that type of car. Gm asking 10k more than their flagship cars base model for a top model camaro is just insane. whats next? a 40k dollar economy car??? oh yeah i forgot, thats on the way in the name of the Volt. and yes we have had quite the recession in the last few years, which is funny that gm keeps driving their prices up and out of the range of their target demographic.


i look forward to hearing what the watercooler has to say about this.

[LTb1ow]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

yes the gt500 is in vette price range but its FORDS TOP CAR at the moment. the gt500 IS THE CORVETTE in Fords fleet, so it can command that type of car. Gm asking 10k more than their flagship cars base model for a top model camaro is just insane. whats next? a 40k dollar economy car??? oh yeah i forgot, thats on the way in the name of the Volt. and yes we have had quite the recession in the last few years, which is funny that gm keeps driving their prices up and out of the range of their target demographic.


i look forward to hearing what the watercooler has to say about this.

recession = weaker money.

weaker money = inflated prices.

Simple.

[Frosty]

Wait, so because Ford doesn't have their version of a Corvette $60K for the GT500 is OK? But because GM has a Corvette $60K for a Z28 is insane? I'm confused.

GT500@$60K=good

GM building a car to combat previously mentioned GT500@$60K=bad.



The Corvette is a different type of car, different audience, different purpose.

As bad as Al is up GM's ass some of you guys are a complete 180

So lets say MT is completely wrong and the Z28 starts at $50K...then what? That puts it around $5K more than a base 1LT Corvette....is it suddenly built by God or is it still bad because it's an expensive Camaro that's not even designed to target the average Camaro owner?

[BigAls87Z28]

What the hell? Volt is not an economy car you dolt. Camaro is affordable but sorry the top of the line model isn't. Since when does GM or Chevrolet have to fit the price under another vehicle? The Z28 will not be 60k but will be priced like the GT500 is just like how all the Camaro models are priced compared to its equivilant Mustang. This is a rediculious thread. Not everything has to be affordable.

[Frosty]

Heh, he said volt and dolt...he's a poet and didn't even know it.

OK, that is my corny joke for the night.

[NastyEllEssWon]

ive been saying this since day 1. the camaro is an overpriced, brick shaped piece of trash that offers you a car the size of a 4 door sedan without any of the interior room and some of the worst styling cues this side of the new millenium.


seriously it looks like 3 different people designed the front, the rear and the side and when it rolled off the assembly line they forgot to put rear backup lights on it and just drilled in some squares in the middle of the bumper.


for the price that its projected for this z28 id rather go buy a vette or a cts-v. everyone gets up on SLP's ass for asking 60k for a Firehawk G8 but suddenly you take the same car, same options, slap on an uglier body, take away 60 percent of the interior space, cramp up the outward visibility and slap a bowtie on the front and its ok????


the camaro is a fail as it is....theyre just adding more as they go.

[BigAls87Z28]

Facepalm.
And GM is pricing itself out of the segment? Is that why Camaro is# 1? Just asking. Mustangs price is now right online with Camaros overpriced models.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

ive been saying this since day 1. the camaro is an overpriced, brick shaped piece of trash that offers you a car the size of a 4 door sedan without any of the interior room and some of the worst styling cues this side of the new millenium.


seriously it looks like 3 different people designed the front, the rear and the side and when it rolled off the assembly line they forgot to put rear backup lights on it and just drilled in some squares in the middle of the bumper.


for the price that its projected for this z28 id rather go buy a vette or a cts-v. everyone gets up on SLP's ass for asking 60k for a Firehawk G8 but suddenly you take the same car, same options, slap on an uglier body, take away 60 percent of the interior space, cramp up the outward visibility and slap a bowtie on the front and its ok????


the camaro is a fail as it is....theyre just adding more as they go.

What you just blabbed out there is opinion. None of it is based in fact. Its like watching Fox News.

Fact: Camaro is #1, with a majority of its sales going to the overpriced and out of its target demographic market SS models.

Fact, 2002 Camaro SS's also cost 30k and up. Loaded Anniversery 02 with the stripes and all topped over 35k.

Fact, the 2010 Camaro Im driving has a sticker price of a little over 37k, but offers way more in features and way more refinement.

Fact: Drilling usually leaves round holes. The reverse lights are square

Fact:


Its a retro touch, like the rest of the car.

Fact: MotorTrend knows as much about the pricing of this car as you do, which is needless to say...nothing. And their perspective on it is already 4 months old by the time you read the ink.

Z28 will be priced accordingly, I figure around the 50k mark. Will you be able to load it up to 60k? Convertable models? Sure.
Will it be for everyone? No, and it shouldnt be. The Z28 is a supercar for all intents and purpses.

So what Ford doesnt have a Corvette type car, thats Chevrolet's problem? So that means that since Chevrolet does have a Corvette, that they have to ask less?

Recession? Rich are still rich last time I checked. I havent seen any millionairs turning in thier Benz's for Aveos.
The rich are who are gunna buy this car, like the GT500 are. I dont see your average working man making 50k a year picking up a GT500.
Next we are gunna hear how stupid GM is for putting in features like air bags, AC, radio, OnStar, hell...leather seats with heat in this car. The gall of these ********!

While you guys are under a rock, the automotive world was moving forward out of the 60's. Its pretty compeditive out there.

[Frosty]

I'd like to amend some of my points. Al pretty much echoed some of them. There is no way I could live with myself if we agreed on things.

So GT500 good. Z28 garbage...GM sucks.