Kooks released true dual exhaust with x pipe for F-Body - NJFBOA - Home of New Jersey's Camaros and Firebirds

DaSkinnyGuy · 10-20-2010, 07:43 PM

Of course this is very expensive,if you have the money its well worth it.

Kooks has done it again! Utilizing the finest air craft quality 304 grade stainless steel, Kooks has released their 3” True Dual Exhaust System for the 1998-2002 Chevy Camaro and Pontiac Firebirds. The system is completely 3” and breathes through an X-Pipe, Kooks Racing Polished Mufflers and Four- 4 Inch Polished Slash Cut Tips. This new Dual System is capable of handling over 1200 horsepower and when paired with Kooks Long-Tube Headers it is sure to be the best bolt-on you do, on your 4th generation F-Body! The dual exhaust comes either with high flow race cats or with off-road front pipes. The system is designed to clamp on the end of Kooks Long-tube headers. A BMR Driveshaft Safety Loop Part#DSL001 and a BMR Panhard Rod Relocation Kit Part# PHR004 are required when installing this system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLRTL...layer_embedded

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/genera...st-f-body.html

BonzoHansen · 10-20-2010, 07:55 PM

I wonder how many people with more money than brains will buy that for cars that just don't need it. Straight 3" duals are for pretty big HP.

This is a key clause too:
A BMR Driveshaft Safety Loop Part#DSL001 and a BMR Panhard Rod Relocation Kit Part# PHR004 are required when installing this system.

qwikz28 · 10-20-2010, 07:56 PM

I'm gonna have to go out on a limb and say that is a pretty crummy deal. You can get custom true duals made: 1. the way you want, 2. with the parts and size you want, and 3. with whatever headers and DS loop you want for much less. It's a great piece, I think its great they made it, but I would take a custom system over this one.

I'd also like to see dyno benefit to the methods they used. X-pipes, 3", flattened tubing by header, etc..

edit: with all the big cube motors running around, 3" isn't that overkill I'd say. For my lowly 346, I'll get a 2.5"

Blackbirdws6 · 10-20-2010, 08:04 PM

Way too pricey for what it is. It is something they can capitalize on for those that have the coin since no one else offers a kit like it without going custom fabbed.

thunder · 10-20-2010, 08:24 PM

ya most cars dont need 3'' duals but hey if uve got the coin go for it

qwikz28 · 10-20-2010, 08:53 PM

I've been contemplating going true duals for a while now, but I still don't see the need to go above the axle. Going under the axle doesn't cost any ground clearance, since you will be lower right by the header anyway, and on speed bumps, the tire lefts the car anyway.

DaSkinnyGuy · 10-20-2010, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by qwikz28

I've been contemplating going true duals for a while now, but I still don't see the need to go above the axle. Going under the axle doesn't cost any ground clearance, since you will be lower right by the header anyway, and on speed bumps, the tire lefts the car anyway.

exception when backing down a driveway with a hill.

Stainless steel catbacks for the 2010 + camaro range from $1,000-$1,500 so whats the difference.

BonzoHansen · 10-20-2010, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by qwikz28

Going under the axle doesn't cost any ground clearance

I'll go ahead and disagree with that.

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Originally Posted by DaSkinnyGuy

Stainless steel catbacks for the 2010 + camaro range from $1,000-$1,500 so whats the difference.

I paid a lot less for SS dual system from pypes for my 2nd gen (maybe I'll put it in this year lol). But I don't think the price is terrible, until you add the other parts you need in too. I might think a quality 3" cat back is roughly half that. No? Again even 95% of 'modded' 4th gens have no need for 3" dual pipes. For those 5% their wallet is already open so it is inconsequential.

V · 10-21-2010, 04:20 PM

not bad.

As a comparison, heres the Magnaflow catback setup for my V, 2.5" stainless steel, with x pipe crossover, dual polished mufflers and large 4" rolled wall tips.
This retails for around $850. (I didnt pay near that for it new though)

BonzoHansen · 10-21-2010, 06:22 PM

Pypes, all stainless, $530 shipped. 2.5" pipe and 'optional tips'

Kat · 10-21-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by V

not bad.

As a comparison, heres the Magnaflow catback setup for my V, 2.5" stainless steel, with x pipe crossover, dual polished mufflers and large 4" rolled wall tips.
This retails for around $850. (I didnt pay near that for it new though)

And your exhaust for the V is a lot easier to make, with a lot less welds, bends and material in general. They are basically paying for a mass produced custom exhaust for their car.

BonzoHansen · 10-21-2010, 06:31 PM

and less bends are good!

maroman88 · 10-21-2010, 06:49 PM

i miss my black TA now

alamantia · 10-21-2010, 06:59 PM

I have kooks headers and love them but I dissagree with the kooks location of the mufflers and ugly tips. Texas Speed has the same thing but with dynomax bullets in the middle. If you have a few feet of pipe after the muffler the sound seems better.

BonzoHansen · 10-21-2010, 07:10 PM

that is because tail pipes matter with sound. that is a big reason fart cans sound like that

BigAls87Z28 · 10-22-2010, 03:47 PM

5th gen stuff is expensive now but in area years it will drop. I remember when LS1 headers were no less then a grand and cat backs were just about the same.

sweetbmxrider · 10-22-2010, 09:26 PM

um, gtfo

qwikz28 · 10-24-2010, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

I'll go ahead and disagree with that.

Sorry to bump a thread that seems to be dying, but can you elaborate on that? Cause I plan on making a system like that next year and would like to know if it won't work that way. As far as I know, Toyota does it on their Camrys

BonzoHansen · 10-24-2010, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by qwikz28

Sorry to bump a thread that seems to be dying, but can you elaborate on that? Cause I plan on making a system like that next year and would like to know if it won't work that way. As far as I know, Toyota does it on their Camrys

Are there a lot of live axle RWD Camrys with panhard rod setups running 3" pipes? I missed those. Let's not cloud the question with apples to oranges discussion.

I've had enough ground clearance issues in my life to have a decent idea of what works and what doesn't. And running pipes that should be solidly fixed to the chassis under a moving suspension part with lots of travel does not appeal to me.

I don't think you aren't going fast enough to need what I believe you are considering. There are plenty of systems out there that will handle your needs. Don't get let in hype and lure sway your decision, and don't reinvent the wheel.

JL8Jeff · 10-24-2010, 11:22 AM

The extra weight of a true 3" dual exhaust is one downside. The fitment issues are another. Especially when you can run a 3-1/2 or 4" single setup that will flow plenty for most applications. It seems like it's the lure of a true dual exhaust setup that sucks most people in.

qwikz28 · 10-24-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

Are there a lot of live axle RWD Camrys with panhard rod setups running 3" pipes? I missed those. Let's not cloud the question with apples to oranges discussion.

I've had enough ground clearance issues in my life to have a decent idea of what works and what doesn't. And running pipes that should be solidly fixed to the chassis under a moving suspension part with lots of travel does not appeal to me.

I don't think you aren't going fast enough to need what I believe you are considering. There are plenty of systems out there that will handle your needs. Don't get let in hype and lure sway your decision, and don't reinvent the wheel.

The camry has a pipe that runs pretty low in around the same spot, so it really isn't such a bad comparison. My concern isn't the axle, my concern is the pipe being that low. I suppose this isn't the place to further inquire the issue, so I'll just ask my question elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by JL8Jeff

The extra weight of a true 3" dual exhaust is one downside. The fitment issues are another. Especially when you can run a 3-1/2 or 4" single setup that will flow plenty for most applications. It seems like it's the lure of a true dual exhaust setup that sucks most people in.

It's the sound really. The sound is far more throaty, and that is what I want to try. I just figure if I'm spending the money for a new exhaust, I want to get something I can use for future engine builds as well.

WildBillyT · 10-24-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by qwikz28

The camry has a pipe that runs pretty low in around the same spot, so it really isn't such a bad comparison. My concern isn't the axle, my concern is the pipe being that low. I suppose this isn't the place to further inquire the issue, so I'll just ask my question elsewhere.

It's the sound really. The sound is far more throaty, and that is what I want to try. I just figure if I'm spending the money for a new exhaust, I want to get something I can use for future engine builds as well.

I've actually noticed that pipe, I think it's on more than camrys. Looks like an 11th hour engineering fix.

I would not route any pipes under the axle, and actually haven't seen anyone who has. Most do either dumps before or go over the axle.

Anti_Rice_Guy · 10-24-2010, 03:10 PM

Slaptastic has custom 3" true duals on his M6 car (233/239 cam, lid, headers, no cats, no mufflers) and he loves it. Yeah he's losing a bit of power down low but it sounds downright nasty, yet is surprisingly quiet inside when I drove it. It still made well over 400rwhp at the wheels. If you have the money and like the sound, why not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf3ARYLCAaM

Even if you just listen for the first 45 seconds it gives a good idea of the sound over the full rpm range.

Or here in a loudest exhaust competition.

http://www.youtube.com/user/slaptast.../3/tQXYHPz5Cto

B4C · 10-26-2010, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by qwikz28

I've been contemplating going true duals for a while now, but I still don't see the need to go above the axle. Going under the axle doesn't cost any ground clearance, since you will be lower right by the header anyway, and on speed bumps, the tire lefts the car anyway.

Im going to agree with everyone else and say that this is a dumb idea.

1. Your ground clerance is oging to suck
2. when the suspension unloads going over a bump or something the axle is going to smack your exahust.

qwikz28 · 10-26-2010, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by B4C

Im going to agree with everyone else and say that this is a dumb idea.

1. Your ground clerance is oging to suck
2. when the suspension unloads going over a bump or something the axle is going to smack your exahust.

1. Oh well. I don't daily drive it or off-road it.
2. I'm obviously going to take that into account when I have it fabbed.

It's been done before by other people without issue. I'm going to give it a whirl when the time comes anyway. I'm curious to know facts why its bad idea, and unless someone can bring up a worthy objection besides "its dumb" or a general "trust me" it will happen. Worst comes to worst, I bottom it out a few times, take it off, and reinstall my SLP catback.