Phillies looking to enter in the Cliff Lee bids

[NastyEllEssWon]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

where is the crying? who said they were going to have the best rotation ever? why are you making things up?

once again self centered bonzo thinks he's the only yankee fan in the world

[Slow-V6]

The Phillies won the World Series in 2008 with not that big of a payroll if I remember correctly.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by NastyEllEssWon

once again self centered bonzo thinks he's the only yankee fan in the world

Well there are a number of Yankee fans in this thread and no one agrees with you. So you are wrong again, as usual. At least I'm not making things up.

Originally Posted by Slow-V6

The Phillies won the World Series in 2008 with not that big of a payroll if I remember correctly.

Correct, that was a great team.

[BigAls87Z28]

You could say that the late 90's Yankees were a much better team then the current squad, and they weren't filled this mega-buck guys.

Lee is a good pitcher, and he would have helped the Yanks line up. I dont think that bringing him in for 7 years was a great idea, and throwing millions of dollars away.
Lee dominated the Yankees, but he was torn apart by SF, a team with poor bats.
SF also dominated Doc. Now, considering that SF has retained all the big names, and are looking to bring in some bats, its very possible that they could see Philly again in the playoffs.
Before you get to see the Yankees in the post season, you will probably have to see SF.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Slow-V6

The Phillies won the World Series in 2008 with not that big of a payroll if I remember correctly.

by not that big you mean second biggest in the nl and 5th overall...

[BonzoHansen]

Another great rotation. I bet a lot of Philly fans are thinking about this accomplishment, and with good reason. But...

1971 Baltimore Orioles
101-57
4 20-game winners

W L ERA

Mike Cuellar 	20	9	3.08
Pat Dobson 	20	8	2.90
Jim Palmer 	20	9	2.68
Dave McNally 	21	5	2.89

Lost World Series (4-3) to Pittsburgh Pirates

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by cbrrmike

by not that big you mean second biggest in the nl and 5th overall...

In 2008?

http://baseball.about.com/od/newsrum...amsalaries.htm
Baseball Total and Average Payrolls, 2008 (OPENING DAY)

Team         Total payroll     Average salary
Yankees     $209,081,579     $6,744,567
Tigers         $138,685,197     $4,622,840
Mets         $138,293,378     $4,609,779
Red Sox     $133,440,037     $4,765,716
White Sox     $121,152,667     $4,487,136
Angels         $119,216,333     $4,110,908
Cubs         $118,595,833     $4,392,438
Dodgers     $118,536,038     $4,233,430
Mariners     $117,993,982     $4,538,230
Braves         $102,424,018     $3,414,134
Cardinals     $100,624,450     $3,049,226
Blue Jays     $98,641,957     $3,522,927
Phillies     $98,269,881     $3,388,617

Now, 2010 sees movement up the charts

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/salaries/teams
2010 Team Payrolls

No.	Team	Payroll	Average
1.	New York Yankees	$206,333,389	$8,253,336
2.	Boston Red Sox	$162,747,333	$5,611,977
3.	Chicago Cubs	$146,859,000 	$5,439,222
4.	Philadelphia Phillies	$141,927,381	$5,068,835

I applaud the Phils for putting the $$ people spend on their team back into the team. But I think the payroll conversation is getting old.

[LTb1ow]

Its football season, baseball is lame even when in season.

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by LTs1ow

Its football season, baseball is lame even when in season.

Football was cool when you could actually hit people. Now its becoming a little bit less of a bad ass sport. Every week there are stupid calls and stupid fines..

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Before you get to see the Yankees in the post season, you will probably have to see SF.

Before the Yanks get to see the Phills in the post season you guys have to get past the Rangers 1st Who you know got beat by SF as well...

[BonzoHansen]

rangers got weaker

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by Slow-V6

Before the Yanks get to see the Phills in the post season you guys have to get past the Rangers 1st Who you know got beat by SF as well...

Rangers lost the main guy that kept the Yanks bats silent for 2 games.
Doesn't help that the Yanks were playing like 12 year olds for the last month of the season. Totally different team then a year ago at that point.

[Slow-V6]

Cliff Lees discussion with Jason Werth after Lee signed with the Phillies..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foKhrNPxJPE

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Slow-V6

Before the Yanks get to see the Phills in the post season you guys have to get past the Rangers 1st Who you know got beat by SF as well...

I'd be more worried about the Red Sox if I was a Yankees fan(and I thank God every day I'm not )

[greenformula92]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

that could be great or fail big. he may have a psyche more fragile than that of philly fans lol. although I am reading the yanks may not have what the royals want because they have top prospects in the same places as the yanks top prospects (both have big catcher prospects, etc)

it won't happen, Grienke has a no trade clause, so he has to agree to where the royals want to trade him, now he has agreed to be traded however, he doesn't want to go to: New York, Boston, Philly, or pretty much anytime with a big stage, if you disagree with me call Francesca this afternoon and get screamed at lol....it will be funny....he has had serious mental issues in the past.....Grienke will not go to new york, and KC's price for him is very, very high

[BonzoHansen]

I don't think at all it would happen but grienke said hed waive the no trade to ny

[BigAls87Z28]

CC also said no way to NYY.

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

CC also said no way to NYY.

NYY can buy pretty much anyone except for Cliff Lee of course..

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by Slow-V6

NYY can buy pretty much anyone except for Cliff Lee of course..

said the fan of what appears to be the #1 payroll in the NL for 2011, and quite possibly the #3 payroll in MLB. feel free to climb off the payroll whiner wagon, it's not like you are a kc royal fan. payroll comments ring a bit hollow.

There have been a number of players say no to NY and Philly. Not real big news. good for CL for going where he wanted to go. as he said it had nothing to do with ny or not wanting to be there, it had everything to do with his past experience with charlie manual & philly.

[BigAls87Z28]

All this payroll talk reminds me of Red Sox fans. Bitter bastards.

[Slow-V6]

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

All this payroll talk reminds me of Red Sox fans. Bitter bastards.

Yeah no ****.. Them Yankee fans do sound bitter..

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Slow-V6

Yeah no ****.. Them Yankee fans do sound bitter..

Nah, they're OK with it. According to the media up there they didn't REALLY want Lee....

I can't wait until April, I just hope the Phillies bats don't continue their slump from last year or it's going to be an epic fail this year with the pitching staff we have. Anything less than a ring is complete failure.

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Anything less than a ring is complete failure.

You get it. Congrats, like it or not you are now the Yankees of the NL. And I will continue to root for both teams except when they play head to head.

[Frosty]

...and I'll happily agree with that. As much as I hate the Yankees and their scumbag fans they do what it takes to win. The main reason I'm laughing about this Lee deal is because the Yankees and their fans have this arrogance to them that they can just buy whoever they want...that they can just throw money at a player and since it's NY said player will just automatically go there. This time it blew up in their faces....other than that this type of stuff happens all of the time. Players sign with different teams for less money every year.

[BonzoHansen]

LOL no arrogant or scumbag philly fans