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z28camaro94 · 12-08-2012, 11:44 AM

I need to find some kind of document that states that 3/16 compression fittings are illegal to use on brake lines in NJ. AS you now I work at NAPA, and I am sick and tired of customers wanting to buy these. I WILL NOT sell these EVER. Nor would I ever use one. Not even stainless steel ones. I am wondering if anyone can provide a link or something that I can print out and post in my store. I have searched on google for a couple of hours now, and all i can find is people on forums stating that it is illegal, but nothing of a actual document or statue that states this.

Can anyone help?

LTb1ow · 12-08-2012, 01:05 PM

Technically, they are not inspected for anymore, so who cares. Let em crash.

Page 45.. C 8
http://www.maine.gov/dps/msp/vehicle...Manual_000.pdf

z28camaro94 · 12-08-2012, 02:21 PM

Im not willin to risk puttin someone else in danger. What if they hit a school bus or run someone over on the side of the road. Im not going to be responsible for any of that.

Thank you tho. I can at least cut that section out and post it up. It gave me a few more ideas on what to search for. I was able to find a copy of the 2010 NJ inspection manual, here http://www.state.nj.us/mvcbiz/pdf/Bu...pif-manual.pdf ,but I could not find anything specific to the brake lines or the use of compression fittings. I looked in both sections 3 and 4. I cant remember when they switched over to emissions only. Wasnt it like Oct '10?

BigAls87Z28 · 12-08-2012, 08:48 PM

I removed all 3/16th compression fittings from my shelves. It's not even an issue anymore. We rent tools, we sell fittings...just do it the right way.

z28camaro94 · 12-08-2012, 10:07 PM

Unfortunatly this is not my store. If it were, those damn things would have been the first things to go. The current store manager doesnt care and just wants to give the customer what he wants. Ive made my case perfectly clear to him, and have said if someone talks to me and wants to buy them, there SOL. If he wants to put his name on the ticket and be liable then w/e.

I feel ya on doing it right, specially when it comes to personal and others safety. We just started renting tools, and have even offered to do it for the customer right then and there. So my conscience is clear on that matter.

Dudbird113 · 12-09-2012, 02:07 AM

So what makes them bad?

BonzoHansen · 12-09-2012, 07:55 AM

Looking for your law I came on other stuff. This quote is about right:

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Compression fittings are not designed to hold the kinds of pressures that are seen in an automotive brake system. A compression fitting will handle 300-500 psi just fine but a modern brake system can have pressures just in normal stopping of 1200 psi. Under a panic stop that can double. There is a reason flared tubing is used in automotive applications.... ITS CALLED SAFETY !!!

also they are usually made of copper, which will work harden from vibration and fail. Here is what GM says about copper lines:

There are steel ones that are actually probably ok if the line being repaired isn't rusty. but of course it broke for a reason.

A piece of steel brake line is probably cheaper than a compression fitting.

And making a decent flare isn't that hard. Even I can do it!

I never saw NJ but it appears it is illegal to use them in other states.

NastyEllEssWon · 12-09-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dudbird113

So what makes them bad?

its unsafe and improper to use on brake lines because theyre pretty high pressure and compression fittings have a high probability of blowing out on you.

z28camaro94 · 12-09-2012, 01:03 PM

Thanks Bonzo. Im gonna use all this stuff as reference and print out the one from Maine and post that up in the store. I never understood why people want to half ass things. Yea maybe cost savings but risking ones life never outweights the savings. I know if Im doing a job for someone and putting my name one that car, its going to be done correctly, no matter what or how simple the job is. I have never had a come back from a job I did for someone. It is def worth the extra time and effort to do things right the first time. And yields more customers and cash in the future.

V · 12-09-2012, 02:32 PM

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-200...-sec393-47.pdf

section (f)

Mezzy · 12-09-2012, 11:16 PM

Good to know. Thanks a bunch.

z28camaro94 · 12-10-2012, 08:26 AM

Excellent Info guys!!! Thank you very much for the help. Hopefully everyone will read this post and decide to make the correct choice in the future.

V · 12-10-2012, 12:31 PM

Ive never even thought about splicing brake lines. If i needed something fixed, Id change the whole line and not think about saving a few bucks. I figure if it broke or rusted through in one spot, another failure isn't that far off.

sweetbmxrider · 12-10-2012, 01:13 PM

The factories will use unions on some lines

WildBillyT · 12-10-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider

The factories will use unions on some lines

They have for a while. The long front to rear line comes to mind.

BonzoHansen · 12-10-2012, 01:53 PM

I think my truck has one. But it isn't a comp fitting

z28camaro94 · 12-10-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by V

Ive never even thought about splicing brake lines. If i needed something fixed, Id change the whole line and not think about saving a few bucks. I figure if it broke or rusted through in one spot, another failure isn't that far off.

Especially since most parts stores rent tools nowadays. Its soo easy to do it correctly.