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View Poll Results: Which is best
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Engine/Trans/Subframe together
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08-08-2017, 04:40 PM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Meadowlands
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Motor Swap Toss up
The time is coming. So lettuce wiegh out some options.
Pretty much, im in a toss up on how to assemble this pig. Do i mate the trans together with the engine and front end? or do i throw the front end w. motor in by itself and do the trans on my back? Lets take a closer look cotton...
Engine/Front End/Trans-
-First and formost... time due to cost. I cant mate the engine and trans together without throwing the stall converter in, and thats $800 i dont have right now. So realistically, i wouldnt be able to throw it together until after labor day weekend when i get home from Vaca. Thats an extra 4 weeks of down time.
-On the postive side, if i do wait it out it would be much eaiser to slap it together on the floor of my garage. Converter bolts to flexplate would be a breeze, and bellhousing to block would take 2 seconds. Then id roll it all under on a dolley as one.
-Drawback 2... Since the rear of the car would be on the ground, and i have large belly, the transmount wouldnt be able to be bolted in until the subframe and suspension were in and i would then be able to get the car on jack stands to do under it and throw the transmount on. So the trans would be held up on nothing but the bell housing bolts and the converter.
Engine + Front end only
The only real negative i see to this is the opposite of what i listed above. Ive done a 60e on my back 5 times, and it kinda blows, but its not impossible. just like any job, itd be easier on a lift but i dont got one. So id ive have stuggle with the stall bolts as well as the top bell housing bolts. But nothing i havent done before.
On the flipside, if im just throwing the motor n suspension on its own, ill be able to do it prob mid next week. Just waiting on my headers to get here. Then i would throw them on the motor, motor to the subframe, throw it on a dolley and get under there. (it would be easiest to install Long tubes while the engine is out right?)
Once the engine is in, id be able to bring the car back inside my garage and finish all the little stuff i have to do. Without having to worry about rain or light... and insects. Id be able to run the battery lines, all the guage and the wiring to go along with it. and then when i have the money for the converter, throw it in on a nice climate controlled smooth floor vs the grooved concrete driveway.
cast your votes.
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99 Z28 - SBE LS1/60e
Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
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08-08-2017, 07:07 PM
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Lord of the rings / 10 Second Club / Meet Coordinator
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Millstone Township, NJ
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Find a thinner FRIEND to do option A with everything assembled outside the car.
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Forever dyno queen / 777rwhp 662 rwtq @ 17lbs / 10.2 @ 140
'24 Corvette Z06
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08-08-2017, 07:56 PM
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Meet Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: brick/pt. pleasant beach
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I just don't see any time saved shoving the motor in now since its more of a pain to do trans after. Don't you have a sweet crane setup? Between that and a jack, pick car and trans up and tighten cross member bolts up.
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08-08-2017, 08:04 PM
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Mongo the Meet Coordinator
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Do it once right. Least when you can
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repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
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08-08-2017, 08:16 PM
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^^^Lover of bad cars^^^ Meet Coordinator
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A.
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2003 Toyota Matrix XRS M6 - Injen CAI, Borla Muffler, TC Wheels, Rear Sway Bar
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08-09-2017, 05:05 AM
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Power Member/NJFBOA Bookie/Moderator
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: North Jersey = Best Jersey.
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Wait.
Signed,
The guy that's going on year 17
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Good. He microwaved my phone 6 years ago, i hope his intake erupts.
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08-09-2017, 07:23 AM
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Ebearnezer Scrooge/Power Member/Lips
Join Date: May 2006
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How about, don't go on vacation and use that money TOWARDS the converter, then you can get it done early 
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08-09-2017, 07:39 AM
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Power Member / trans break does not equal transbrake
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Meadowlands
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PolarBear
How about, don't go on vacation and use that money TOWARDS the converter, then you can get it done early |
bc the gf may be short, but she packs a lot of grumpy into that short.
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Motor - 10.84 @ 128 - 1.47 60'
Nitrous - 10.16 @ 132 - 1.40 60"
Last edited by LS1ow; 08-09-2017 at 07:39 AM.
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08-09-2017, 07:41 AM
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Ebearnezer Scrooge/Power Member/Lips
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Hamilton, Mercer county
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LS1ow
bc the gf may be short, but she packs a lot of grumpy into that short.
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Just remember, it's better to ask for forgiveness than it is permission 
Last edited by PolarBear; 08-09-2017 at 07:42 AM.
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08-09-2017, 08:33 AM
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^^^Lover of bad cars^^^ Meet Coordinator
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Whitehouse Station
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PolarBear
Just remember, it's better to ask for forgiveness than it is permission
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This x10000 
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1986 Honda VFR750 - 89.3HP to the wheel
2000 Trans Am M6 - Mods: Yes.
2018 Durango R/T - AFE Intake, JLT Catch Can, Stainless Works Catback, Vinyl Dodge Racing Stripes
2003 Toyota Matrix XRS M6 - Injen CAI, Borla Muffler, TC Wheels, Rear Sway Bar
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08-09-2017, 06:26 PM
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10 Second Club / Meet Coordinator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Roxbury, NJ
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option A. easier
(yet ive never done an engine/trans install in a 4th gen)
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08-09-2017, 08:38 PM
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11 sec club
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I'd say wait and do it all together. Those trans bolt suck even when on a lift. Can't imagine on the ground. Also plugs and headers all in one shot.
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99 Z28 Trick Flow 215s milled to 61cc 228/232 Cam Fast 102 built 4l65e trans 4000 converter 12 bolt 410s Electric WP deleted PS/AC Dyno & Track tuned
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08-09-2017, 09:46 PM
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^^^Lover of bad cars^^^ Meet Coordinator
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Location: Whitehouse Station
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MDSheds_SS
I'd say wait and do it all together. Those trans bolt suck even when on a lift. Can't imagine on the ground. Also plugs and headers all in one shot.
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I did it on the ground. Lol super long extension and swivel!
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1986 Honda VFR750 - 89.3HP to the wheel
2000 Trans Am M6 - Mods: Yes.
2018 Durango R/T - AFE Intake, JLT Catch Can, Stainless Works Catback, Vinyl Dodge Racing Stripes
2003 Toyota Matrix XRS M6 - Injen CAI, Borla Muffler, TC Wheels, Rear Sway Bar
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08-15-2017, 07:29 PM
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Admin.
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Hamilton, NJ
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one word: sawzall
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Vent Windows Forever!
The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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08-16-2017, 08:08 AM
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Mongo the Meet Coordinator
Join Date: May 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BonzoHansen
one word: sawzall
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Not nearly as dangerous and thrilling as a cutoff wheel while working upside down.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KirkEvil
repo bigals turd gen and part it out to a loving home
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08-16-2017, 08:12 AM
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Admin.
Join Date: Aug 2005
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i am very safety conscious
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Vent Windows Forever!
The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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08-18-2017, 10:15 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Arm pit of the world... NJ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BonzoHansen
one word: sawzall
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LTb1ow
Not nearly as dangerous and thrilling as a cutoff wheel while working upside down.
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My personal favorite, the plasma cutter!
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