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LTb1ow · 09-02-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

So some of you think we should create a law because of ONE family that went overboard? They receive no government/public assistance....so who cares? Like Mike said, we should be worried about Peggy Sue and Shaniqua popping out 3 kids with 3 different baby daddies...

With the amount of people in this country do you really think this example is going to make the tiniest bit of difference in social programs when they reach that age? Not a chance.

I didn't realize this country was Communist China limiting people's rights and freedoms. Then again if we don't wake the F up that's where we're heading.

Ahahah sneaky sneaky...

Frosty · 09-02-2009, 03:43 PM

Nice edit Justin

Tru2Chevy · 09-02-2009, 03:45 PM

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Nice edit Justin

You guys can make all the clown car jokes you want (within reason), but please keep the Left vs. Right discussions out.

- Justin

ShitOnWheels · 09-02-2009, 03:45 PM

I'm in no way saying we need to make laws on how many kids we can each have. But some common sense would be nice. Or, why not adopt so kids who truly need parents can have two loving parents? Obviously not forcing them to do anything, but why not adopt instead? It's almost selfish that they must be biological rather than adopting them.

And will they have that much of an impact on social services in the future, or our resources, maybe not, but how can we know? Why should we take the chance? And now she's older (over 40), raising the chances dramatically of her children having birth defects...which will also add strain to the already taxed social services system if that becomes the case.

On a less serious note: Where the hell do they find the time to have sex in order to procreate? (Not saying that's bad, just wondering how they can raise 18 kids at once and still have time for extra curriculars)

Frosty · 09-02-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tru2Chevy

You guys can make all the clown car jokes you want (within reason), but please keep the Left vs. Right discussions out.

- Justin

Absolutely, I never mentioned a side...nor will I. I know the rules.

LTb1ow · 09-02-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tru2Chevy

You guys can make all the clown car jokes you want (within reason), but please keep the Left vs. Right discussions out.

- Justin

He started it!

Blacdout96 · 09-02-2009, 03:50 PM

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It's called personal rights and freedoms, they're under absolutely no obligation to adopt a single kid. They have every right to make their family as big as they want provided they can care for them.

You can make a moral argument however you can always legislate morality. They did nothing wrong from a legal standpoint. I certainly wouldn't want that many kids...hell I'm not having ANY however if they can care for them and give each kid the attention and resources they need to succeed in life who am I or anyone else to say they can't or shouldn't have that many kids?

Um, at which point and time did I say they [/HAD] to adopt kids, I said they could of, which last time I checked is a form of saying you made a decision. don't believe me, let's take a look back at my post.

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Listen, it's great they were able to raise them without much financial strain, but they could of done better by adopting 16 kids or what not. there are many children without parents, and these two could of adopted them. It's like going to ethiopia and a fat person eating a double quarter pounder with cheese infront of starving people, that could of been better used to those who need then those who already have.

Nope, don't see anything saying they should of been forced to.

Tru2Chevy · 09-02-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ****OnWheels

On a less serious note: Where the hell do they find the time to have sex in order to procreate? (Not saying that's bad, just wondering how they can raise 18 kids at once and still have time for extra curriculars)

The older kids practically raise the younger kids themselves. Mom only seems to really take care of the young babies.

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He started it!

And I ended it....

- Justin

Frosty · 09-02-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ****OnWheels

I'm in no way saying we need to make laws on how many kids we can each have. But some common sense would be nice. Or, as Bonzo said, why not adopt so kids who trully need parents can have two loving parents? And will they have that much of an impact on social services in the future, or our resources, maybe not, but how can we know? Why should we take the chance? And now she's older (over 40), raising the chances dramatically of her children having birth defects...which will also add strain to the already taxed social services system if that becomes the case.

On a less serious note: Where the hell do they find the time to have sex in order to procreate? (Not saying that's bad, just wondering how they can raise 18 kids at once and still have time for extra curriculars)

But see, that's the beautiful thing about personal choice. They have the right to chose whether or not they want to have their own kids or adopt. While it might not jive with our beliefs they're not hurting anyone. If we lived by "what ifs" then every one of our lives would be different. If we lived by "what ifs" then we wouldn't have the technology, freedoms and standards of living we have today.

...and yeah...dude must be a 30 second man because I don't see how they have time for any more than that.

Frosty · 09-02-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacdout96

Um, at which point and time did I say they [/HAD] to adopt kids, I said they could of, which last time I checked is a form of saying you made a decision. don't believe me, let's take a look back at my post.

Nope, don't see anything saying they should of been forced to.

Okkk, I said they were under no obligation...where did I say that you claimed they had to?

Sure it would've been nice if adopted, but they opted not to...people need to get over it and worry about REAL issues.

Miles · 09-02-2009, 03:55 PM

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19 kids...

Exactly what I was thinking, use that phrase all the time.

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oh well, im more concerned with the 13-15 year old un-married city girls popping out welfare babies with no other purpose in life than to be a deduction and follow "dad" into the gangs

Definitely agree with that. A 15 year old girl down the street had a baby since "it was the only way to keep her family moving away from the boyfriend"

Frosty · 09-02-2009, 03:56 PM

Anchor baby FTW!

ShitOnWheels · 09-02-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

But see, that's the beautiful thing about personal choice. They have the right to chose whether or not they want to have their own kids or adopt. While it might not jive with our beliefs they're not hurting anyone. If we lived by "what ifs" then every one of our lives would be different. If we lived by "what ifs" then we wouldn't have the technology, freedoms and standards of living we have today.

...and yeah...dude must be a 30 second man because I don't see how they have time for any more than that.

You're right, they chose this. Fine. And I don't agree with it, fine.

But I can guarantee they will somehow hurt someone in the future. No idea how, but I'm sure we'll hear of it in a few years, maybe not until 20 years from now...but somehow, they will hurt someone (and I don't necessarily mean one person).

And if we didn't play the what if game, we might actually be further technology wise, medically especially, since we play the what ifs with stem cells: "But what if they are really a life immediately at conception and we kill them to do stem cell research?" What ifs are how we make decisions as a society. We have to ask them in order to figure out what we deem the "right" decision to be in nearly every decision we make.

Lt1_8U · 09-02-2009, 04:00 PM

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Anchor baby FTW!

haha

Blacdout96 · 09-02-2009, 04:00 PM

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people need to get over it and worry about REAL issues.

Then why are you still posting here? sound's like you're not over what peopel have to say about this. maybe you should make an example out of us and not post here anymore.

and what important issues are there to talk about, this is a car forum, not exactly CNN.

bubba428 · 09-02-2009, 04:06 PM

didn't you know? we're all just supposed to ignore the important issues and pretend the world is peachy. God forbid CNN had something bad politically on their homepage, or that even matters worth a damn

WildBillyT · 09-02-2009, 04:10 PM

No left vs right stuff. Again.

bubba428 · 09-02-2009, 04:15 PM

Censorship!!!!!!!

Frosty · 09-02-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacdout96

Then why are you still posting here? sound's like you're not over what peopel have to say about this. maybe you should make an example out of us and not post here anymore.

and what important issues are there to talk about, this is a car forum, not exactly CNN.

lol, ok tough guy

I was merely throwing in my opinion and you get all huffy when someone doesn't agree with you. What I meant regarding worry about REAL issues is that people are all up in arms over someone going overboard with kids. That's what I meant.

I noticed you skipped over the part where you made yourself look bad.

Telling me not to post here because I don't agree with your opinion is really mature, lol.

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You're right, they chose this. Fine. And I don't agree with it, fine.

But I can guarantee they will somehow hurt someone in the future. No idea how, but I'm sure we'll hear of it in a few years, maybe not until 20 years from now...but somehow, they will hurt someone (and I don't necessarily mean one person).

And if we didn't play the what if game, we might actually be further technology wise, medically especially, since we play the what ifs with stem cells: "But what if they are really a life immediately at conception and we kill them to do stem cell research?" What ifs are how we make decisions as a society. We have to ask them in order to figure out what we deem the "right" decision to be in nearly every decision we make.

I meant by the "what if" in regards to those kids having a burden on society. By your theory then we should all stop having kids because they might burden society in some way. Obviously the chances that happening is greater with 19 kids.

I think they're psycho religious nuts that don't believe in contraception, if I remember correctly the older kids have/are waiting for marriage to have sex so you can see where their mindset is.

You bring up a good point with the stem cells but they don't take them from dead embryos anymore, they can get them from the umbilical cord. I fully support that type of research provided kids are being kills for the cells(which isn't happening). It could really help us in the future.

WildBillyT · 09-02-2009, 04:15 PM

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Censorship!!!!!!!

Not public domain!!!!!!

Tru2Chevy · 09-02-2009, 04:16 PM

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Censorship!!!!!!!

Yup....this is a privately owned page, and we can make any rules we want. Get over it....

Back on topic

- Justin

WildBillyT · 09-02-2009, 04:17 PM

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You bring up a good point with the stem cells but they don't take them from dead embryos anymore, they can get them from the umbilical cord. I fully support that type of research provided kids aren't being killed for the cells (which isn't happening). It could really help us in the future.

Yeah, cord blood harvesting and storage are gaining in popularity.

Frosty · 09-02-2009, 04:21 PM

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Yeah, cord blood harvesting and storage are gaining in popularity.

...yeah but for some reason the religious right is still up in arms about it

Can't please everyone I guess.

bubba428 · 09-02-2009, 04:24 PM

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Not public domain!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Tru2Chevy

Yup....this is a privately owned page, and we can make any rules we want. Get over it....

Back on topic

- Justin

damn sorry I forgot to stick a smile or an "lol" in there....was a joke guys...you also kinda proved my point but that's beside the point

NastyEllEssWon · 09-02-2009, 04:36 PM

as a guy that had a gf that had a kid previously from another relationship once before i can say this with 100 percent personal conviction....

i couldnt adopt or be responsible for a child that isnt mine. that being said. im sure that family has their own reasons for not adopting.

either way....it must be kinda neat to live in a household that has that much love in it