Recent Changes, Further Explained

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by 90FormulaWS6

...finally, in terms of the paying members getting an extra forum, everyone should be happy that they dont restrict signature features, avatar abilities or w/e else they are able to restrict to only financially supporting members

Just wanted to emphasize this sentiment, and add this: Many car sites also do not allow ‘kill stories’, as they do not want to be associated with illegal & dangerous street racing. That is also not being banned, at least at this time.

[Mike]

actually the rules apply to everyone, i had a problem with a picture bonzo (a mod) posted and said somthing to justin (an admin) and POOF it was gone.

i think you all see my posts about the rules and like i said im playing devils advocate, if you think i just want to curse please go look at my 1200+ posts and find me the percentage that contain curse words.

as far as personal attacks go, that is my biggest problem with this forum but since i have already talked to tim at EXTENDED LENGTH about this, i have no need to air it out with anyone else.

basically although i agree with the need to raise money, i dont like that i have to pay money (that i may or may not have) just to get into a lounge where my friends are talking, i for one have bought at least $100 in merch, attended the nats, and offered the admins (who i consider friends off the web) other supplementation thats available to me...but all im told is "its a seperate donation"

[bubba428]

ok...i'm gonna try and mix this up a bit...not in a bad way...i see both sides of this mess...justin and tim are only trying to do whats best for the forum...bonsohanson, i got nothing against you dude...i don't know you presonaly so this IS NOT a personal attack, but your coming at every one with a different opionion than you like a pit bull foaming at the mouth, u wanna talk about not flamming people just look at what u've posted here directed at tzar...i've not fully put my mind out so i've had my posts deleted...now...9 outta 10 posts from me is just stupid rediculous crap( is crap PC? jay lenno can say it) but its fun...so what if i get flamed i probably deserved it...(see cheesecake poll...i know its a cake) now to defend timmy and justin, there the 2 site heads...there only as human as the rest of us...now if we expect to be able to have theese meets we need to have sponsor backing...if i had the money to donate you guy would deffinitly have it...with out backing we can't go to places like the DYNO meet or the firkin...now if tim and justin can't have a site a company wants to suport where does that leave us guys...the screw balls that spend countles hours b.s.ing in the lounge...i do feel the language censorship may be too much...but it may be for the best...it all boils down to every one has a different idea of whats best for the site the regular users like me are at arms for the fact that we are lossing out good members cause there a corperate feel and its just not what it was...i joined in december...even then it was awsome...now its geting too up tight and and there are certain mods that are going WAY WAY too far with it an theres a certain one i feel is on a MAJOR POWER TRIP! now from the other side the best thing for the sites seems to be to clean up a little and present our selves as a community of F-Body enthusiest...and atract sponsorship that will allow us more exiting and interesting meeting...so theres a good intent that i see in this...i say we just let it go...and if it doesn't work the way its suposed to...i have faith tim will fix it...

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by bubba428

...bonsohanson, i got nothing against you dude...i don't know you presonaly so this IS NOT a personal attack, but your coming at every one with a different opionion than you like a pit bull foaming at the mouth, u wanna talk about not flamming people just look at what u've posted here directed at tzar......now its geting too up tight and and there are certain mods that are going WAY WAY too far with it an theres a certain one i feel is on a MAJOR POWER TRIP!

...now from the other side the best thing for the sites seems to be to clean up a little and present our selves as a community of F-Body enthusiest...and atract sponsorship that will allow us more exiting and interesting meeting...so theres a good intent that i see in this...i say we just let it go...and if it doesn't work the way its suposed to...i have faith tim will fix it...

At least it isn't personal. j/k

I’m sorry you feel that way. I don’t think my attitude has changed one bit from the day I got here. No one has ever made that comment to me, and TMK, no one has told Tim or Justin, as they would have certainly brought it to my attention. I’ve gotten my hand slapped by admins too, so I know they will say something. Besides, you can’t be on a power trip w/o any power. I would never want to give that impression, since it is certainly not true. If I were a power tripper, I’d certainly be running amok at NastyZ28, where I am an admin. No complaints there, and I actually do have some power. If you feel there are other instances of my ‘power trip’ here, feel free to PM me to discuss.

BTW, I did not flame Tsar, here or anywhere. In this thread, I did ask him for constructive input. I don’t think most ‘flame’ posts call the flame-ee intelligent, which I also did, because I do believe he’s a smart guy. I’m sorry you feel I cannot be part of this conversation.

I’m glad you also see the ‘other side’. Many of us think it is important for the future of the club. I’m on board with the changes Tim & Justin want to make, and want to show them the support they need & deserve.

[bubba428]

that right there is exactly what i'm talking about...if we could just bite our toungs for a while till the admins get it right it'll all be good...voicing an opinion is one thing...what i've been seeing is just wrong...people are useing it as an excuse to protest and make a stink...i'd rather see use return to normal and quit the petty bull

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by bubba428

that right there is exactly what i'm talking about...if we could just bite our toungs for a while till the admins get it right it'll all be good...voicing an opinion is one thing...what i've been seeing is just wrong...people are useing it as an excuse to protest and make a stink...i'd rather see use return to normal and quit the petty bull

Right where? To be quite honest, I do not know what you mean.

Edit: Feel free to POM me this if you want to.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

so you "feel" like something is going to happen one way and that is your whle justification for how you act towards being asked to participate as the rules set forth?
if you actually payed attention half as much as you claim you would have noticed that all of the mods and both admins have been moderated at some point.
you have still failed to come up with any information or examples that support your position. you have been asked many times on AIM and even in this thread. it would be helpful.
many other members have layed out their concerns and constructive conversation has been the result. continuing to blindly make "nazi" and "ss" comments doesn't serve to support your position.
please feel free to provide examples of successful, small, club forums, that are open free for alls as you would like to see. i have a long list of sites i watched fail as a result of the sort of things you seem to desire seeing, but maybe you can enlighten all of us and find even one site that succeeded.

OK get off your high horse, pal. What support information do you want me to provide, other regioanl succesfull website? You do know that i don't really care about the internet, i'm not gonna go out and scout some internet forums that have "made" it. I DO NOT CARE. I however have been a member of quite a few forums where admins went all hi-wire and guess what? in their attempt to make it "big" they FAILED, members left and they closed their website because no one wanted to deal with their ******** anymore!

I call you a NAZI because you are one. It's your way or no way at all. You want examples, well how about the most recent one. When i pointed out that you broke your own stupid rule, you deleted the whole thread? WHY? you can't take critizism?
Another example? in the thread about "ghost riding" matt wrote a question that stated "what's wrong with the society today". After watching a video and observing a bunch of african american males i changed the sentence to "what's wrong with black people today?". I made a funny get over yourself, some people found it amusing. However my post was deleted becasue it was deemed racial!!! RACIAL? are you for real? I'm not allowed to refer to African Americans as Black anymore? Can you please point me to that law?
Another one? Remember Rons sig about Big Nig? remember how you told him to deleted? remember how he quoted you? remember how i made fun of you? remember deleting my post and not even telling me about?
Face it you've deleted a LOT of my post without even saying anything. Can i remember all of them, hell no. Did i get even notified? nope. No PMs and dont tell me you told me that over aim cuz you've been blocked for a long time.

Face it bubba, you'll never make it big. To make it big you need some people skill which you certainly lack. Is it just my opinion? not at all. Just as you claim that maney people talk to you about how horrible i am just as many talk to me about you. But like i said this is the internet and this is web space so do as you wish, ill just come back and laugh in your face when it fails. And im 90% sure it will.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

BTW, I did not flame Tsar, here or anywhere. In this thread, I did ask him for constructive input. I don’t think most ‘flame’ posts call the flame-ee intelligent, which I also did, because I do believe he’s a smart guy. I’m sorry you feel I cannot be part of this conversation.

i dont feel like a was flamed. But then again i probably wouldn't care i only complain about internet stuff to make a "point". I do not take 99% of stuff said over the internet personally. Just like i feel others shouldn't, but i guess for some people it's hard to separate reality and the internet.

[bubba428]

Originally Posted by Tsar

Face it bubba, you'll never make it big. To make it big you need some people skill which you certainly lack. Is it just my opinion? not at all. Just as you claim that maney people talk to you about how horrible i am just as many talk to me about you. But like i said this is the internet and this is web space so do as you wish, ill just come back and laugh in your face when it fails. And im 90% sure it will.

are you talking to me...i was defending you...and i never made but 1 of those claims and if i did you show it to me in writing...

Edit: now i can see why the admins keep deleting your posts...if half of the rest were this way i could imagine why

[Blacdout96]

Tsar, what your beef bro? if you dont like what people said,or what rules they've applied, then go somewhere else. Since you said youve been to many sites and forums, well go sign up for another one, and leave the negativity out of this one. this is why I left CamaroV6.com cause of the negativity everyone brought to the forum. And as for you saying you dont care about the internet alot, 6,911 posts sounds liek you've not only spoken quite a few times, but spent a good amount of time writing them on here. Tim, Justin, you guys continue to rock on wiht the rules, I support the keeping the profanity to a minimum. Justin and Tim are not Nazi's and such. Why specifically Nazi's, all dictatorship parties, as well as democracy, uses rules, and censorship to keep everythign straight running. And its not completely gone, go to the new thread site they made up for 18+, but still, you dont need that much profanity to prove a case or tell a story.

[bubba428]

i was on camarov6 for a good time bu there all just the same negativity your showing...and bonzo i was using you post to me as an example of how this should run...thanks

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by bubba428

i was on camarov6 for a good time bu there all just the same negativity your showing...and bonzo i was using you post to me as an example of how this should run...thanks

Gotcha, very good. Again, feel free to contact me directly (or Tim or Justin) if you have any issues (that goes for anyone) - negativity sucks.

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

Gotcha, very good. Again, feel free to contact me directly (or Tim or Justin) if you have any issues (that goes for anyone) - negativity sucks.

Bonzo<---- alright guy in my books lol

[Mike]

bubba, he was calling tim bubba......as to why he called him bubba, who knows, must be some russian thing

[Blacdout96]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

Just wanted to emphasize this sentiment, and add this: Many car sites also do not allow ‘kill stories’, as they do not want to be associated with illegal & dangerous street racing. That is also not being banned, at least at this time.

Yeah, I remember posting a kill story somewhere after they stopped doing them, and everyone and their grandmother yelled at me, but yeah you can gget in trouble just for posting kill stories, even if noone has evidence, its your testimony on the net. I didnt get in trouble, but never again. I found out to keep it on the track, and video tape it, that way its 100% true lol

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by Tsar

OK get off your high horse, pal. What support information do you want me to provide, other regioanl succesfull website? You do know that i don't really care about the internet, i'm not gonna go out and scout some internet forums that have "made" it. I DO NOT CARE. I however have been a member of quite a few forums where admins went all hi-wire and guess what? in their attempt to make it "big" they FAILED, members left and they closed their website because no one wanted to deal with their b****** anymore!

you say you don't want to provide examples, yet you claim to have some. which is it? i watched the flame wars that tore apart sites like f-body chaos, nj camaro, nj thirdgens, and several others.
if you have the examples of clubs that people left because the administration wanted it to stay under control, please share them. i am honestly curious.
i also find it very odd that you don't care, yet you keep posting and talking about your opinion. to not care would, by definition, mean you don't have an opinion to share in the frst place.

I call you a NAZI because you are one. It's your way or no way at all. You want examples, well how about the most recent one. When i pointed out that you broke your own stupid rule, you deleted the whole thread? WHY? you can't take critizism?

my posts and the thread were brought to me by 3 different members on top of your posts. all stated that the thread was way off topic and shoudl be started over. i was in the middle of writing the PM to matt asking him to repost when the new thread appeared.
thanks for working under another blind assumption. i can see it is working out great for you.

Another example? in the thread about "ghost riding" matt wrote a question that stated "what's wrong with the society today". After watching a video and observing a bunch of african american males i changed the sentence to "what's wrong with black people today?". I made a funny get over yourself, some people found it amusing. However my post was deleted becasue it was deemed racial!!! RACIAL? are you for real? I'm not allowed to refer to African Americans as Black anymore? Can you please point me to that law?
Another one? Remember Rons sig about Big Nig? remember how you told him to deleted? remember how he quoted you? remember how i made fun of you? remember deleting my post and not even telling me about?
Face it you've deleted a LOT of my post without even saying anything. Can i remember all of them, hell no. Did i get even notified? nope. No PMs and dont tell me you told me that over aim cuz you've been blocked for a long time.

since you claim to remember and know all, you would be able to recall that we deleted a thread that was a series of ethnic jokes a long time ago because we got a whole bnch of complaints about it. keeping in line with the decisions made at that time, we have tried to avoid ethnically motivated commentary on the board.
i don't notice you on AIM right now, so i gotta ask, when did you actualy blocked me? i have sent you messages with in the last few weeks, that i am very sure of. i would have to dig through aim logs to see exactly when.

Face it bubba, you'll never make it big. To make it big you need some people skill which you certainly lack. Is it just my opinion? not at all. Just as you claim that maney people talk to you about how horrible i am just as many talk to me about you. But like i said this is the internet and this is web space so do as you wish, ill just come back and laugh in your face when it fails. And im 90% sure it will.

did i set out to become a millionare big roller by starting a web site with my best friend for all of my friends that share my hobby? nope.
as far as making it big in terms of the web, we happen to be one of the fastest growing, regioanl, mark specific web communities in the country. i think that qualifies as proof enough that the requests by membership and the ideas we get from other sites/admins are working.
we only set out to have a forum that woudl one day hit 500 members. since the club grew so much bigger than that original idea, we have to start thinking and planning bigger.
do we have all the answers, no. then again, we never claimed to. we listen to suggestions and weigh the supporting information to come up with the decisions that we feel are best for the club.

to be honest tsar, i can't see how i am supposed to jsut ow down adn follow your point of view. you offer no support for your position and you justify your claims by name calling or jsut going off about much things stink.
if you care to step up to the many requests for suport of your position, or a clear explaination of it beyond your continued "it's the internet" rant, please feel free.

[bubba428]

i'm going to have to back tim up here...all though i would like to see what justin has to say...it a club that out grew it self...now its time to grow up

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by Blacdout96

Tsar, what your beef bro? if you dont like what people said,or what rules they've applied, then go somewhere else. Since you said youve been to many sites and forums, well go sign up for another one, and leave the negativity out of this one.

Don't you worry about me, im signed up on the other forums. And to answer your question why am i here. well ive made friends on this forum so i come here. anything else sherlock?

this is why I left CamaroV6.com cause of the negativity everyone brought to the forum.

Would you like a tissue? or are you gonna quitely slit your wrists?

And as for you saying you dont care about the internet alot, 6,911 posts sounds liek you've not only spoken quite a few times, but spent a good amount of time writing them on here.

My post count has nothing to do with me caring about the internet, i post and i post whore alot. what's your point? Me posting stuff on the internet has no effect on my real life, im mostly here when i do my homework, OMG i can multitask unlike some.

Tim, Justin, you guys continue to rock on wiht the rules, I support the keeping the profanity to a minimum. Justin and Tim are not Nazi's and such. Why specifically Nazi's, all dictatorship parties, as well as democracy, uses rules, and censorship to keep everythign straight running. And its not completely gone, go to the new thread site they made up for 18+, but still, you dont need that much profanity to prove a case or tell a story.

If you seriously dont know the difference between the Nazi party and democratic party i wont waste any of my time on you. You need to go back high school.

So Tsar, if you dont like what Jersey has to offer, go back to the U.S.S.R , oh wait, that crashed in 89'.

is this the your best attempt to put me down? i would laugh in your face if you actually said it in front of me. This is by far the lamest PERSONAL ATTACK i've ever seen on this forum. I mean if you said go back to Russia it would be ok i guess, but you're forgetting the fact that i am a US citizen you dimwit. I dont have to go anywhere. And where in my post did i say i didnt like New Jersey? please point me to it! How about you PM if you have something to say TO ME?! but we both know you dont have what it takes!




so what happened mods, i can get attacked in your almighty thread and nothing is done to it? OMG OMG OMG im gonna cry now and be a cry baby

[NJSPEEDER]

please remain on topic.

we have decided that this thread will remain open until friday afternoon/evening. that should be plenty of time for everyone to get their feelings off their chest.
at that point we will consider the matter closed, any ideas that come out of the thread will be discussed, and any changes deemed appropriate to the rules will be announced in the next few weeks.

[Tsar]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

if you have the examples of clubs that people left because the administration wanted it to stay under control, please share them. i am honestly curious.

First one i joined in florida was FLSCC.com. google it and it will take you to this page http://home.cfl.rr.com/vividreality/index1.html
You know what happened. Justin (the admin) and his daddy with a brand spanking knew Porsche 996 thought they were almighty and kept having fights with everyone. Justin came up with ridicoulus rules and said he'd ban people. then the site was deleted shortly after that...

Another one, from FL too addictedtoboost.com



It actually still exist and i USED to be a member of it before the ADMIN decided to go high wire and DELETE EVERYONE. He said that you could go back after he's don reorganizing the board so he can "get big"... well the forum was larger then this one before he deleted everything. Now? well it has less then 200 members...

there was also dsmlife.com, after a guy with a handle of "aovsi" became a mod he went ape poop and majority of the members left. some went back to t00ners, and some created their own website. I dont think web site exist anymore. [/quote]

i also find it very odd that you don't care, yet you keep posting and talking about your opinion. to not care would, by definition, mean you don't have an opinion to share in the frst place.

Well many people find this interesting but truth be told i'm just very opinionate, ill argue til i die for no reason, i find it amusing. And actually its very useful in all my classes. I once gave a speech about a round shiny ball, it was over 10 minutes long. If i talk about something doesn't really mean i care. When i truly care you'll probably hear profanity. I'm just opinionated, we can leave it at that. Find me a topic and ill argue.

my posts and the thread were brought to me by 3 different members on top of your posts. all stated that the thread was way off topic and shoudl be started over. i was in the middle of writing the PM to matt asking him to repost when the new thread appeared.
thanks for working under another blind assumption. i can see it is working out great for you.

Once again im asking why not just delete your own posts?

since you claim to remember and know all, you would be able to recall that we deleted a thread that was a series of ethnic jokes a long time ago because we got a whole bnch of complaints about it. keeping in line with the decisions made at that time, we have tried to avoid ethnically motivated commentary on the board.

Actually I THINK somewhere in the post that you quoted i said that i CAN'T remember all of the instances when you deleted my posts. so i cant argue with that. But come on, how does one get offended by a term that is commonly used even on TV. "Black" isn't an offensive word, believe me if i was trying to be offensive i would be much creative.

i don't notice you on AIM right now, so i gotta ask, when did you actualy blocked me? i have sent you messages with in the last few weeks, that i am very sure of. i would have to dig through aim logs to see exactly when.

Don't remember when, i was talking to my girlfriend and people kept aiming me and it was pissing me off so i blocked a few and you were one of them didnt get to unblocking yet.

did i set out to become a millionare big roller by starting a web site with my best friend for all of my friends that share my hobby? nope.

Didnt you start this thing because you didnt like the conditions and rules of the other web site? i wasnt there but thats what people have been telling me.

do we have all the answers, no. then again, we never claimed to. we listen to suggestions and weigh the supporting information to come up with the decisions that we feel are best for the club.

And ive expressed my point of view quite a few time, i dont think being strict with the rules will help you with new members, initially maybe but after some time people get tired to be bossed around.

if you care to step up to the many requests for suport of your position

i provided the websites that failed because of the administration. Those are the websites that i used to be a part of i'm sure there're many others, or maybe some that ive forgotten.

[j0n]

you're going to change your mind about a rule you made up...i'll believe it when i see it

[NJSPEEDER]

tsar, your examples point out that arguing with everyone drives people away, and mass bannings drive people away. i think those are both rather obvious points and well suported.
however, they are not really helpful to your position since we aren't banning everyone who doesn't agree with the new rules and we have explained several times that we are attempting to avoid conflict here.
also none of the sites you mentioned appear to have language restrictions. which is the only addition to the forum rules. which would be your only other point, which is still left unsupported.

since the new rules have gone into effect, we have had more new members sign up than in the last 2 months and the active member count has gone up by 40+ on average. that is the progress we were looking for.
perhaps your 10 minutes about a shiney ball were impressive to a teacher somewhere along the lines, but for us to make changes to the forums and the rules takes a lot more than some banter supported only by your personal opinion and examples that, at best, half meet the information needed to support what you feel so pasionately about.

we have been open about how the club was being managed from day 1. you had plenty of opportunity to share your opinions and assist in the growth of the club. if you like participating in the forums or meets, you are welcome to stay. if you want to see changes to the club and it's policies, please put more effort into supporting your position.

[jimmyboy8301]

the changes have been made guys, just deal with em.

[NJSPEEDER]

Originally Posted by j0n

you're going to change your mind about a rule you made up...i'll believe it when i see it

as i told you before, i am not the one who came up with the ideas for the new rules. the changes were made at the request of many members and they supported their position very well.
if you care to go to the support forum the thread about language is still there, including my post stating that i was opposed to the idea.

you can blame me all you want j0n, but the club is growing and individual personal opinions are not what will result in the club's continued growth or success.

[bubba428]

Originally Posted by jimmyboy8301

the changes have been made guys, just deal with em.

absolutly the truth