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New project!!!!!
This one won't start till after the 3.4 is done...but here's the idea....I wanna take a 350 and bore it .060 and get a stroker crank for it(388 ). Get a blaster EFI system and a Holley Steath Ram manifold, a set of Dart heads with beehive springs and conver the 700r4 to a TKO.....thats the plan..I'm expecting for about $5,000
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06-05-2007, 03:36 PM
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Nice plan, but...Why .060? I thought most machinists forwn at that. Why not .030? And all that for $5k - you better be the best used part shopper out there.
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06-05-2007, 03:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BonzoHansen
Nice plan, but...Why .060? I thought most machinists forwn at that. Why not .030? And all that for $5k - you better be the best used part shopper out there.
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yah, better to not go 60 over right away, this way when you freshen the engine you can always go 10-20 over more and only need new piston and rings. Once 60 over your maxed.
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1) Build it
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06-05-2007, 04:47 PM
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What vehicle would this be going in?
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06-05-2007, 05:43 PM
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besides the EFI, it sounds a lot like my plan. oh and I'll be using a 200-4R instead of a 700-R4...and I'll be running vortecs instead of dart heads....okay so its not that similar afterall 
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and 1 more smart ass answer by you and i'm going to reach into this monitor and grab you by the throat
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06-05-2007, 07:25 PM
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Part # Item Price Qty Line Total Delete
DRT-11711143P
Cylinder Head, Pro 1, Aluminum, Assembled, 64cc Chamber, 230cc Intake Runner, Chevy, 327/350/400, Each
$719.95
$1,439.90
HLY-7540
Intake Manifold, Stealth Ram EFI, Aluminum, Natural, Multi-Port, Chevy, Small Block, Kit
$309.95
$309.95
·This part is temporarily out of stock, but you can order it now. Tentative ship date: 7/6/2007, if your order is placed today.
SCA-26000
Connecting Rods, 4340, I-Beam, Cap Screw, 12-Point, 6.000 in. Length, Chevy, Small Block, Set of 8
$219.95
$219.95
SCA-935056
Crankshaft, Internal Balance, Cast Iron, 3.75 in. Stroke, Chevy, 400, Each
$229.95
$229.95
TRW-8KH124CL30
Piston/Ring Kit, Hypereutectic, Flat Top, 4.030 in. Bore, 1/16 in./1/16 in./3/16 in. Rings, Chevy,350,Set of 8
$2,539.70 thats everything but cam and lifters so i'm expecting mor but i'll see
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06-05-2007, 07:28 PM
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Quote:
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What vehicle would this be going in?
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a 3rd gen...thats all i'mma say till its mine
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06-05-2007, 09:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubba428
$2,539.70 thats everything but cam and lifters so i'm expecting mor but i'll see
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ah the innocence of the first engine build....
do NOT get me wrong... I am NOT ripping on you
what about, distributor? ignition box too possibly? coil?
and dont forget a timing set..
plus the cost of the machine work, thats a biggie, and bearings for everything. Are you gonna assemble it?
Lets also not forget all the little annoying hardware you'll need. head bolts intake bolts etc...if youre building for power stock hardware may not cut it.
Rockers arms would be an advised upgrade too
you say to swap to a TKO... so $ there, plus clutch setup, plus all the hydraulics would be needed.
Is the car already TPI? if not, what about the wiring harness, oh you said an EFI blaster system... you didnt add that in the price.
And with a full build, you need a new oil pump, and a new water pump is also recommended.
Then of course you wont let it breathe through the stock exhaust, so headers and a catback...
its not as simple as heads, block, crank, rods, pistons...
you say $2,5xx now .... well, allow at least 5,000 to be safe
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06-05-2007, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokingSS
ah the innocence of the first engine build....
do NOT get me wrong... I am NOT ripping on you
what about, distributor? ignition box too possibly? coil?
and dont forget a timing set..
plus the cost of the machine work, thats a biggie, and bearings for everything. Are you gonna assemble it?
Lets also not forget all the little annoying hardware you'll need. head bolts intake bolts etc...if youre building for power stock hardware may not cut it.
Rockers arms would be an advised upgrade too
you say to swap to a TKO... so $ there, plus clutch setup, plus all the hydraulics would be needed.
Is the car already TPI? if not, what about the wiring harness, oh you said an EFI blaster system... you didnt add that in the price.
And with a full build, you need a new oil pump, and a new water pump is also recommended.
Then of course you wont let it breathe through the stock exhaust, so headers and a catback...
its not as simple as heads, block, crank, rods, pistons...
you say $2,5xx now .... well, allow at least 5,000 to be safe
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^ What he said. Incedentals (gaskets, assembly lube, RTV, etc) can really start to add up.
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06-06-2007, 12:09 AM
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BRICKA! BRACKA!
FIRECRACKA!
SIS! BOOM! BAH!
$5000 BUILD UP! $5000 BUILD UP!
RAH! RAH! RAH!
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06-06-2007, 09:02 AM
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o trust me I know all about that crap...This would be my 2nd build, I'm damn almost ready to go back together on the 3.4....gaskets and bearings i haven't looked into a distributor yet, I'll probably go MSD blaster. But I did take most of that into consideration...hence the $5000ish estimate
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06-06-2007, 09:12 AM
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also look into the CR of the combination of those parts, from quick calcs, it looks to be approx 11.9:1.
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06-06-2007, 09:37 AM
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I'll probably go with the 72cc chamberd head then
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06-06-2007, 09:59 AM
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Where is the $2k for the TKO? What about clutch, linkages, driveshaft alterations. etc....
How about the EFI costs - throttle body, injectors, harness, ecm , etc...?
All that for $5k, no way. Unless you own a bunch or get super great deals.
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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06-06-2007, 10:12 AM
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injectors are gonna be around 250 the harness and Blaster module are gonna be about 800 throttle body i'll just get used and yea 2k for the tko...
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06-06-2007, 12:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubba428
injectors are gonna be around 250 the harness and Blaster module are gonna be about 800 throttle body i'll just get used and yea 2k for the tko...
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ok add that 3050 to 2500 plus 1000 for you valvetrain, and another 500 at least for a clutch... thats 7k easily and add in machine work and other odds and ends(easily a grand)... 8k+ the more you think of it....
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06-06-2007, 12:58 PM
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Ahh yes, I set out to do a $5K project, $17,000 later I was done 
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06-06-2007, 03:11 PM
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haha yea..its a long term kinda deal with a spare block lol
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06-06-2007, 03:23 PM
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Quote:
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BRICKA! BRACKA!
FIRECRACKA!
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L M F A O...... hahahhahah
at least he has a plan in mind....i was thinking like that when i was 15 then reality sets in of how much stuff you need to parts never even thought of...
instead of doing all that....i got a 4 bolt main 350 truck bottom end.... and put a bigggggggg shot on nitrous on it.... lasted me tons of passes...lots of street miles... and was decent on gass...... plusssssss when you blowww it up.... you just spend another 300 on a short block hehehehehhe.... ps...i have a 60k mile shortblock like this for sale now.... just throw some good alum heads on it carbed intake and carb and yourrrrr settt.... it was my under 900 doller killllla motor build with nitrous... and id say times but no one would believe me so i dont....
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06-06-2007, 06:34 PM
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look at me what stared out as a lets rebuild the 305 clean up the interior and get a macco paint job, 20grand later and im stilling building her, now shes getting tubed....
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06-08-2007, 08:20 AM
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well are you guy doing all you own work or having it sent to a shop?
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06-08-2007, 12:21 PM
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Quote:
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well are you guy doing all you own work or having it sent to a shop?
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BRICKA! BRACKA!
FIRECRACKA!
SIS! BOOM! BAH!
DOING YOUR OWN WORK!
DOING YOUR OWN WORK!
RAH! RAH! RAH! 
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06-08-2007, 03:24 PM
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2 words...crate engine. Lots of options out there for $5K and you can just drop it in and be done.
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06-08-2007, 03:32 PM
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my 383 cost me about 5k all said and done...thats not including trans/clutch. And it was carb'd.
(now im trying to sell it for 1200 actually)
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06-09-2007, 09:02 PM
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I'd love to just ger a crate engine... but theres a satisfaction of doing it yourself
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