Congrats Barry!!

[slasherbarb]

He just hit homerun #756, making him the all-time MLB homerun leader! Being a baseball fan I am glad I got to see such an awesome record being broken. All the talk of steroids aside, this was an awesome accomplishment! Congrats Barry Bonds!!

PS_ I think it is time to leave the guy alone. No positive test to date, so get off his back...

[unstable bob gable]

It's been a big week...A-Rod's 500, Glavine's 300, and Big Head Bond's steroids, er, I mean 756.

[bad64chevelle]

I still dont count him as being the new recordholder...when someone with a little less steroids in them breaks that record Ill acknowledge it. I dont care if he isnt juicing now, but what about that gap where he was...

[slugger27nj]

Originally Posted by bad64chevelle

I still dont count him as being the new recordholder...when someone with a little less steroids in them breaks that record Ill acknowledge it. I dont care if he isnt juicing now, but what about that gap where he was...

[baddest434]

steroids or not you still got to hit the ball. but i don't care for barry bonds at all, not just the roids thing but the way he treats fans and the media. from what i hear he's a real d-bag in real life. in another 5-7 years a-rod will be beating barry's record anyway.

[firehawk1120]

I don't know anything about baseball, but I do know about steroids. There is no way someone goes from what he was to what he IS naturally. there is something to be said for raw talent in hitting a ball. That goes with out saying, but if you don't have the bat speed and strength to hit them out there is no way you do what he's done. His first 6 years he hit about 20 hr's a year then all of a sudden in 92 he jumps into the 30 / 40 range with one year with 73. Give me a F-ing break.

he juiced it's in the numbers and in the pictures. I don't respect cheaters, and hope his record gets shattered by someone like A-rod who may be a cheater on his wife but not to the sport.

[NightRydaSS]

i guess my signed Hank Aaron baseball is worth squirl nuts now...

[NJSPEEDER]

i don't mind barry breaking the record because now he will retire and i won't have to hear any more of his stupidity for a while. besides, the record will only stand for 5 or 6 more years until A-rod destroys the record and makes it a truely great number again.
personally, i don't care if bonds used steroids or not, they haven't proven it that i know of so it isn't something i am gonna hodl against the guy. him being a complete dick head, that i will hold against him.

[JL8Jeff]

Baaaahhhh. That's not a real record. Nobody's head, feet and hands get bigger past the age of 25 unless they've been taking some serious body altering stuff. Hopefully A-rod will break it cleanly in a short amount of time. I'm sure you guys have seen his rookie card.




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[baddest434]

^^ thats hilarious 1st time i've seen it.

[Mike]

like they said on espn.......yes he may have been on roids, but he was a hall of famer before that. i think they actually hurt him, once he got on them heavy (based on hr numbers) his fielding went to crap.....he used to be a five tool player, now he should be a dh....

he may be on steroids but so are the pitchers hes facing, and at least hes doing it to get the extra mileage needed to hit balls out of pacbell park which is a pure pitchers park..... more respectable than sammy and mcguire using them to hit balls outa wrigley and stlouis.....

all that said, i agree with bill, i cant stand the guy

[Kojak]

I think he had to be on roids, what other player hits his prime in his late 30's. He was batting 30HR's a year and then jumps to 70's 90's in a season. His team calls him the hulk because he grew twice his size within a year. But you are right barb he hasn't tested positive and it's amazing record to break now lets see if he breaks 800...

[NJSPEEDER]

i have no doubt that he is a first ballot hall of famer jsut because of that one number. the reason i don't consider him a great player is that he didn't stay great through his entire career. the past few seasons you could tell he had nothing to offer the world other than the chance to hang on long enough to break the record.
look at the great hitters of all time, hank aaron hit home runs consistantly throughout his career, ted williams was the best hitter in the league until the day he retired, cal ripkin put up numbers in the top 10% ofthe league quitely and on some of the worst teams in baseball history for more consecutive games that anyone in major league history. those are great players.
i think he WAS a great player at one time, but he let that time slip by and now he is hanging on.
i also do not believe that the home run record is the most difficult record to attain in baseball any more. i would give that one to the wins by a pitcher, no one will touch cy youngs 500+ career wins for a very very long time.

[trashman01]

hes jucied, put a astrik on the number and move on, A-Rod will break it and all will be good

[90FormulaWS6]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

i have no doubt that he is a first ballot hall of famer jsut because of that one number. the reason i don't consider him a great player is that he didn't stay great through his entire career. the past few seasons you could tell he had nothing to offer the world other than the chance to hang on long enough to break the record.
look at the great hitters of all time, hank aaron hit home runs consistantly throughout his career, ted williams was the best hitter in the league until the day he retired, cal ripkin put up numbers in the top 10% ofthe league quitely and on some of the worst teams in baseball history for more consecutive games that anyone in major league history. those are great players.
i think he WAS a great player at one time, but he let that time slip by and now he is hanging on.
i also do not believe that the home run record is the most difficult record to attain in baseball any more. i would give that one to the wins by a pitcher, no one will touch cy youngs 500+ career wins for a very very long time.

Just because of that one number... what about the 7 NL MVPs, or the 8 gold gloves, or the 12 silver slugger awards, or the two batting titles the most recently in 2004 ( if he were to retire this year this would be within his last 3 active seasons not including 2005 where he played in 14 games) or leading the league in walks 12 times (5 times before 1998 )????????


Hank Aaron hit 20, 12, and 10 home runs in the last 3 seasons of his career. Barry Bonds has hit 26(2006) and 22(2007)... if next year is his last (which i believe it will be) he will hit more than 10 home runs... which makes his last 3 seasons of his career BETTER than the last 3 that Hank Aaron had.

Oh and Bonds has hit 25+ HRS in 16 career seasons not counting this year which would be 17. Aaron has done 18 seasons with 25+, Bonds will be within one after this year.

Your right its not the most difficult record, Ted Williams' consecutive game hitting streak is the most difficult record. And Baseball will never see a 500 win pitcher ever again, nor will it see a 400 game winner ever again.

So basically, people just look at what Bonds has done in his career, and don't think for one second that most major leaguers haven't taken some form of performance enhancing supplement, pitchers included, because I'll put money on it that they have. Bonds has done this against a level playing field, just as Ruth, Aaron and Mays did in previous years. So considering the stats, you have to give the man the RESPECT that is due to him as a ballplayer. Talk badly about him as you wish but statistically he is ONE OF THE GREATEST ever.



I would write more but I have to go eat dinner.

Oh and how can you put Cal Ripken Jr in the likes of Ted Williams and Hank Aaron... that is a joke.

[JL8Jeff]

Don't forget to look at the fact that today's ballparks are much smaller and batter friendly. And Colorado did not exist in Aaron's days. Take away those homeruns alone and Barry would never reach the mark. But that's a different argument vs the steroid thing. I have no respect for any athlete in any sport that takes performance enhancing anything. He has a hitting ability but it's all now tainted by what he did. But all the baseball records will fall because it brings in the new fans. It's all about the tv money!

[slasherbarb]

Originally Posted by 90FormulaWS6

Your right its not the most difficult record, Joe DiMaggio's consecutive game hitting streak is the most difficult record. And Baseball will never see a 500 win pitcher ever again, nor will it see a 400 game winner ever again.

Fixed...Ted Williams was the last man to bat .400 in a season (.408 is his record)

[90FormulaWS6]

Originally Posted by slasherbarb

Fixed...Ted Williams was the last man to bat .400 in a season (.408 is his record)

thanks... i wrote that up real quick before dinner

[slasherbarb]

This just in...Bond's just hit 757...

[BonzoHansen]

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[shane27]

Originally Posted by firehawk1120

I don't know anything about baseball, but I do know about steroids. There is no way someone goes from what he was to what he IS naturally. there is something to be said for raw talent in hitting a ball. That goes with out saying, but if you don't have the bat speed and strength to hit them out there is no way you do what he's done. His first 6 years he hit about 20 hr's a year then all of a sudden in 92 he jumps into the 30 / 40 range with one year with 73. Give me a F-ing break.

1990: Games played: 151 Home runs 33
1991: Games played 153 Home runs 25
1992: Games played 140 Home runs 34
1993: Games played 159 Home runs 46
1994: Games played 112 Home runs 37
1995: GP 144 HR 33
1996: GP 158 HR 42
1997: GP 159 HR 40
1998 GP 156 HR 37
1999 GP 102 HR 34

now here are some interesting numbers

1992-1999 Longest Home run 436-465'
2000 480'
2001 485'
2002 491'
2003 480'
2004 470'

hmmm

[NJSPEEDER]

bonds hits against worse pitching than aaron, bonds has a lower career batting average than aaron, and bonds has 800 fewer career hits than aaron with no hopes of ever catching up.
him walking a lot says more about who is hitting behind him or who got on base before him than what he is doing at the plate. if there is a weak hitter behind a power hitter, he will earn walks, if there is a guy who hits for extra bases a lot or steal a lot of bases in front of a power hitter, he will get walked a lot. getting walks isn't anything to brag about in the full scope of the game.
was bonds a good player, yes. is he now, no. with a live ball and thin major league pitching he is hitting home runs. hank aaron did it his whole career against some of the best to ever pick up a ball. not saying there aren't good pitchers now, just that they are spread across a lot more teams than they were in the 50 's and 60's when aaron was putting up the number.
barry also has driven in far fewer game winning runs than aaron did, forget the exact numbers but they talked about it on WFAN this morning. he hits solo shots and pop ups, swinging for the fence 24/7 is hardly the mark of a great hitter.

if you think cal was a joke than you really need to brush up on the game. how many people do you know of that get elected as a write in to the all star team a year after they retired? he is the one and only in baseball history to do that. he kept himself healthy and played through injuries when he had to. he is a member of the 3000 hit club, won the MVP twice, was selected to the all star team every season of his career, was rookie of the year in 1982, won 2 gold gloves and had a 440 post season batting average. oh, and that little thing about playing more consecutive games than anyone else in major league history, barry never played every game of a season in his whole career.

consistant performance over time, that is greatness. sticking around to break a record and skipping games whenever you don't feel like trying to help the team is just weak.

[BonzoHansen]

Not to knock Cal too much, but many people think his quest for the streak record actually hampered his career & his team and was considered a shelfish player by more then a few people. His numbers start dropping his 5th or 6th season.

If he had rested nagging injuries he very well might have had better numbers and helped his team more. In fact, I remember reading that except for '91, the last 10 full seasons he played, 7 of them are below his lifetime average for BA, OB% & SLG%. Starting at around age 26-27, when most great players hit their prime. And he played those years in a serious hitters ballyard against the same weak pitching you claim bonds saw.

Kind of 95% for 150 games is more help then 75% for 162. That kind of logic. Impossible to prove, but sensible.

And the weaker pitching notion is weak at best. Back in the day, pitchers didn't have all the tools they have now (workouts, medical help, video, etc.) and they are drafted from all over, not just the US. The latin players were really just starting in Hank's days.

Cal couldn't take batting practice with Tony Gwynn. That guy was a hitting machine.

[90FormulaWS6]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

if you think cal was a joke than you really need to brush up on the game.

In terms of mentioning him with the names that he was mentioned with, it is. He is not in the top 5 of all time, nor the top 10. When you talk about great players, Ripken Jr. should be in the talks, but nowhere near the top.

[slasherbarb]

Originally Posted by NJSPEEDER

bonds hits against worse pitching than aaron, bonds has a lower career batting average than aaron, and bonds has 800 fewer career hits than aaron with no hopes of ever catching up.
him walking a lot says more about who is hitting behind him or who got on base before him than what he is doing at the plate. if there is a weak hitter behind a power hitter, he will earn walks, if there is a guy who hits for extra bases a lot or steal a lot of bases in front of a power hitter, he will get walked a lot. getting walks isn't anything to brag about in the full scope of the game.
was bonds a good player, yes. is he now, no. with a live ball and thin major league pitching he is hitting home runs. hank aaron did it his whole career against some of the best to ever pick up a ball. not saying there aren't good pitchers now, just that they are spread across a lot more teams than they were in the 50 's and 60's when aaron was putting up the number.
barry also has driven in far fewer game winning runs than aaron did, forget the exact numbers but they talked about it on WFAN this morning. he hits solo shots and pop ups, swinging for the fence 24/7 is hardly the mark of a great hitter.

if you think cal was a joke than you really need to brush up on the game. how many people do you know of that get elected as a write in to the all star team a year after they retired? he is the one and only in baseball history to do that. he kept himself healthy and played through injuries when he had to. he is a member of the 3000 hit club, won the MVP twice, was selected to the all star team every season of his career, was rookie of the year in 1982, won 2 gold gloves and had a 440 post season batting average. oh, and that little thing about playing more consecutive games than anyone else in major league history, barry never played every game of a season in his whole career.

consistant performance over time, that is greatness. sticking around to break a record and skipping games whenever you don't feel like trying to help the team is just weak.

first of...Cal is one of the greatest players to play the game...EVER! His record for most consecutive games played will never even come close to being broken...especially with players like today...

Now back to Bonds for a sec...he is actually about toe reach two more milestones...he is 84 his away from 3000(probably won't happen this season) and he is 17 RBIs away from 2000, which would make him only the second ever to do that...bottom line, after all is said and done, he is gonna be a first ballot HOFer...plain and simple...