2012 T/A Rumor!!

[87GTA]

So has anybody picked up the new copy of HOT ROD mag??? they have a aritcle in there about the SEMA camaro's and had a little thing in there about if the 5th gen camaro reaches it's goal for production then GM may put out a T/A in 2012 what do you guys think?????

[BigAls87Z28]

Pontiac is dead.
There will never be a Firebird, Trans Am, or any other Pontaic version of the Camaro, even if the Camaro outsold the Camry.
Ever. Again.
Pontiac's death starts 2012.

[GP99GT]

thats okay, the world is ending in 2012 anyway.

http://www.survive2012.com/

[madness410]

Originally Posted by GP99GT

thats okay, the world is ending in 2012 anyway.

http://www.survive2012.com/

as soon as i saw 2012 in the title i knew someone would drop that bomb. but al is right pontiac is dead

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by 87GTA

So has anybody picked up the new copy of HOT ROD mag??? they have a aritcle in there about the SEMA camaro's and had a little thing in there about if the 5th gen camaro reaches it's goal for production then GM may put out a T/A in 2012 what do you guys think?????

You should read between the lines better...it's a load of bollocks.

"Now, we have no idea as to the accuracy of this story. Frankly it sounds more than a little spurious."

"It's our jobs to spread disputatious stories such as these. We might even start a good rumor if it tickles out fancy."


They decided to use some big league words, lol.

[69BirdX]

pontiac and jim wagners said there was to be no t/a comeback. plus they are going bankrupt

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by 69BirdX

pontiac and jim wagners said there was to be no t/a comeback. plus they are going bankrupt

No they arent.

[1972LT1]

If I recall correctly, the original plan was Chevy was going to have the Camaro and Monte Carlo and Pontiac was to have the G8 and GTO. GM wasn't going to offer a 'bird because the Camaro had to sell 100k per year to keep the line going. Maybe GM would contract an aftermarket company(SLP,LPE,Saleen) to convert Camaros to 'Birds. It's that or a ricer style body kit.

[bandit88]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

You should read between the lines better...it's a load of bollocks.

"Now, we have no idea as to the accuracy of this story. Frankly it sounds more than a little spurious."

"It's our jobs to spread disputatious stories such as these. We might even start a good rumor if it tickles out fancy."


They decided to use some big league words, lol.

you know i just got done with finals.... the last thing i want to see is words i have to look up

[qwikz28]

there is an issue with the name Trans am, and the logistics mean that name will no longer be used. there is more of a chance of a rebadged camaro coming as a GTO than as a trans am. but as said before, a rebadged anything from a already dead company is highly unlikely, so i'm sure an impossible scenario from an unlikely company is not gonna happen

[Mike]

Originally Posted by qwikz28

there is an issue with the name Trans am, and the logistics mean that name will no longer be used. there is more of a chance of a rebadged camaro coming as a GTO than as a trans am. but as said before, a rebadged anything from a already dead company is highly unlikely, so i'm sure an impossible scenario from an unlikely company is not gonna happen

to nitpick even more.......they said the FIREBIRD will never be back, so that eliminates the excuse of the t/a licensing that the people who cant get this through their heads are making

[sweetbmxrider]

the g8 gt and gxp is the muscle car of pontiac. with how the economy and the big three are, you won't see anything else.

[FBODS4EVER]

they said never on both cars in 2002. who knows if the economy picks back up. it could happen. if not. who cares. i wouldnt mind. it will only increase the value to my cars faster as they become harder to find.

[V]

actually they never said never on the camaro. from day one, they said the camaro was on hiatus... the bird was dead.

[BigAls87Z28]

Originally Posted by FBODS4EVER

they said never on both cars in 2002. who knows if the economy picks back up. it could happen. if not. who cares. i wouldnt mind. it will only increase the value to my cars faster as they become harder to find.

Originally Posted by SmokingSS

actually they never said never on the camaro. from day one, they said the camaro was on hiatus... the bird was dead.

Correct. Camaro and Firebird were put on hiatus, and then Firebird was dead, but Camaro stayed in limbo.
For the longest time, GM could not use the word Camaro when talking about any future product, or the CAW would want to know why. After the agreement to the CAW was over reguarding both cars, it was deemed that the Camaro came could start to circulate again. That was mid 2005. By late 2005, spy shots of Camaro "clown" clay models hit the internet, fueling rumors.

There wont be a Firebird at all, ever.
Pontiac is dead. I keep saying this, but it doesnt get through.
The next gen G6 will be a rebadged next gen Malibu
Pontiac will also get a rebadged Cruze to replace G5
The G8 will run its course till the next gen, and then no more imports to America.
Solstice and Sky's Kappa platform will end sometime in 2012 with no next generation platform planned.
By 2012, dealers will be told that Pontiac is dead, and by 2014, it will stop selling cars.
Saturn could take up the slack by moving into the PBG dealers that have now been formed over the past few years.

[LS1Hawk]

Maybe they'll just axe Pontiac and surprise us with a Firebird company! That would be zany!

[wrong generation]

Originally Posted by FBODS4EVER

they said never on both cars in 2002. who knows if the economy picks back up. it could happen. if not. who cares. i wouldnt mind. it will only increase the value to my cars faster as they become harder to find.

umm thirdgens will never be hard to find there are to many of them for them to ever be worth anything.


and bigal87z28 is right pontiac is dead but he is wrong about the year. pontiac died in the late 70s and gm has been rebadging the camaro ever sense. hell the 82-02 firebirds are nothing more then a rebadged camaro only differance is they they have flip up headlights.

[FBODS4EVER]

Originally Posted by zeek

umm thirdgens will never be hard to find there are to many of them for them to ever be worth anything.


and bigal87z28 is right pontiac is dead but he is wrong about the year. pontiac died in the late 70s and gm has been rebadging the camaro ever sense. hell the 82-02 firebirds are nothing more then a rebadged camaro only differance is they they have flip up headlights.

thirdgens are getting harder to find. you may think they are not as to hanging the fbod sites. how many do you actually see on the road. compared to the 80's? (probably about the time you were born?) im almost 40 i remembered when every other car you pass was either a fbod or mustang. as for parts the junkyards are getting harder to find. most of the time you can only get the part you need from a member who wrecked or blew his car up. and as for the rebadged camaro. it's true. but pontiac always had in my opinion more styling. nothing against you camaro guys. and not to start a fbod war. i would own a camaro in a heartbeat. but the birds always looked more ahead of their time. just my

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by zeek

umm thirdgens will never be hard to find there are to many of them for them to ever be worth anything.

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that is what they said about 1st gens, then later they said that about 2nd gens...

[wrong generation]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

that is what they said 1st gens, then later they said that about 2nd gens...

ya but if you think about it 1rst gens were only made for 3 years. 2nd gen although that generation lasted 12 years there are techically 3 diff cars and each one was only made for 3-4 years. so those cars are hard to find compared to when they were new. but thirdgen and 4th gens on the other hand only had 1 car for each of their entire generation and there were millions/billions of them made so they arnt ever going to be as rare. yes you can say that thirdgens can be split up in their years 82-84 85-90 91-92 but once you strip the cars down to their bare shells there is not 1 differance. it is the same car thru out the entire 11 year span that that generation lasted and their are just way to many of them for them to ever be as valuable as a first or second gens. the same for fourth gens you can split them up 93-97 98-02 but once you strip them down to their bare shells its just 1 car that was mass produced for 10 years and their are billions of them out there. i doubt there will ever be a day where you dont see a third or fourth gen in a junkyard or where you see a bare rotted shell going for a few grand. now im not trying to start a fight or anything i just personaly dont see the third or fourth gens ever being all that valuable because of how many more were made compared to other generations.

[DevilDougWS6]

Originally Posted by zeek

and bigal87z28 is right pontiac is dead but he is wrong about the year. pontiac died in the late 70s and gm has been rebadging the camaro ever sense. hell the 82-02 firebirds are nothing more then a rebadged camaro only differance is they they have flip up headlights.

perhaps you should compare the camaro and firebird for ALL years, they are exactly the same car, they have been ever since day one. the only differences are motors (pontiac built pontiac motors, chevy built chevy motors obviously) and interior, just like it has always been. they change the nose and taillights, just like it has always been.








HOLY ****! its the same car with a different nose, hood, and rear end!!! OMG!

[BonzoHansen]

Originally Posted by zeek

umm thirdgens will never be hard to find there are to many of them for them to ever be worth anything.

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You're comment was "they won't be worth anything", which is a far cry from being as "valuable as a first or second gens", which nobody said.

You are wrong that 3rd gens will never be worth anything. They are already going up in value for nice ones. One reason is it is getting harder to find nice ones as many have ended in the same fate as their older brethren, in the scrapheap from normal wear and tear and otherwise hacked or destroyed by their stupid owners.

Plus you're argument is weak based on production numbers. We can all agree 67-69 Camaros get more $$ than equivalent 70-73 Camaros despite much higher production. And if you want to break it down one can easily argue 98-02 Camaros are the rarest with only 235,820 made.

Here are Camaro numbers.

Gen	Camaros
67-69 	699,138 
70-73 	450,912 
74-81 	1,531,936 
82-92 	1,529,917 
93-02 	680,992 
Total 	4,892,895

Doug, 1st & 2nd gen firebirds & camaros have mostly different sheet metal.

[r0nin89]

I've heard rumors that saturn will merge into pontiac inorder to keep the pontiac name alive.

[V]

I've heard rumors that saturn will merge into pontiac in order to keep the pontiac name alive.

actually, it will probably be like Al already has stated. Not exactly a merge.

Originally Posted by BigAls87Z28

Saturn could take up the slack by moving into the PBG dealers that have now been formed over the past few years.

[V]

Originally Posted by BonzoHansen

Doug, 1st & 2nd gen firebirds & camaros have mostly different sheet metal.

3rd gens birds and camaros have different sheet metal too. only doors roof and decklids are the same.

4th gens had all different sheetmetal(or composite body parts) except for the roof.