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01-06-2009, 04:31 PM
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Header question...
I just got back from the mechanic and he basically told me that I might as well get a new set of headers because there welded to the collector and it would be a huge pain to fix the leak.
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01-06-2009, 04:37 PM
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And your question is....?
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01-06-2009, 04:38 PM
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Whats invloved or how much would it run to fix this? or should i start saving for the pacesetter Lts 
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420 HP/367 TQ on a Unlocked Converter & still climbing.
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01-06-2009, 04:41 PM
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Is the collector broken? you can probably repair it.
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01-06-2009, 04:41 PM
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Um well you may have problems with that, I would assume that the current setup is welded because its an LS1 in an LT1 car...
LS1 headers will prob not fit in the car without some custom Y pipe being made.
I could be 100% wrong on that, but thats what I would assume.
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01-06-2009, 04:49 PM
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The k-member placement and floor pans of all 4th gens are the same. As long as it is the correct y-pipe for the LS1 headers, there should not be any reason to weld the sections together.
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01-06-2009, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by L8APEX
The k-member placement and floor pans of all 4th gens are the same. As long as it is the correct y-pipe for the LS1 headers, there should not be any reason to weld the sections together.
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Then i would assume it not....
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01-06-2009, 05:06 PM
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Not sure how the emissions are with it, is the car registered as a repower? I would assume the LS1 would easily pass a sniff test with LTs and a catted Y. But you will fail visual.
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01-06-2009, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Shownomercy
Not sure how the emissions are with it, is the car registered as a repower? I would assume the LS1 would easily pass a sniff test with LTs and a catted Y. But you will fail visual.
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Huh? lol car already has a fresh inspection, I talked w/ the js guys think ima save up for some LT's, these mids are in some pretty bad shape anyway. Not my daily driver and as long as shes in good shape by spring im good.
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01-06-2009, 05:38 PM
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Well technically an LS1 only needs to pass the computer part versus an OBDI LT1 which is required to pass a sniff test.
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01-06-2009, 05:43 PM
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Quote:
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Well technically an LS1 only needs to pass the computer part versus an OBDI LT1 which is required to pass a sniff test.
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Not on a retrofit.
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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01-06-2009, 05:45 PM
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Quote:
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Not on a retrofit.
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Well thats what I was trying to get at....
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01-06-2009, 05:46 PM
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Not on a retrofit.
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No tester honestly knows the engine differance in any 4th gen camaro, nor do i think they really care.
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01-06-2009, 06:03 PM
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No tester honestly knows the engine differance in any 4th gen camaro, nor do i think they really care.
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Right. So they would test the car like it was just an OBD1 car.
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The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or so I have read.
Feather-light suspension, Konis just couldn't hold. I'm so glad I took a look inside your showroom doors.
Hey everybody, it's good to have you on the Baba-too-da-ba-too-ba-ba-buh-doo-ga-ga-bop-a-dop
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01-06-2009, 06:14 PM
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How much do you plan on driving the car? I would recommend stainless longtubes over coated if it will be driven a lot and in wet weather from time to time. But if it's just gonna be in nice weather then coated should hold up ok. I have the old XS Stainless headers on my car and I bought them used and they still look pretty decent. They are now call LPS I think. Nice 321 stainless headers. Does it currently have the EGR and AIR hooked up to the headers? If so and you plan to retain it then you need to know which year style LS1 AIR hook ups. I think the 98-99 were side to side hookup while the 00-02 were inline(or front to back) style flange.
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01-06-2009, 07:08 PM
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Quote:
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Whats invloved or how much would it run to fix this? or should i start saving for the pacesetter Lts |
Don't buy pacesetters ....
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01-06-2009, 07:12 PM
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Porque no?
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01-06-2009, 07:15 PM
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I'm guessing you are saying why not .....
They are junk. Their armor coating sucks. I barely drive my LT1 and within a year they are rusted up to ****.
Go with stainless if you go longtubes. I would definetly hit up those LPP headrs on tech right now if i had spare coin.
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01-06-2009, 08:01 PM
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Mine seem to be holding up just fine. Guess I will have to wait and see.
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01-06-2009, 08:33 PM
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Pacesetter headers can be a bit hit or miss. I have seen them fit fine, seen them hit the floor pan, and angle slightly down. More often than not, they are ok, but if you get bad ones it is a problem waiting to happen.
Stainless is a better idea than coating as others have stated. Think of coatings as paint, no matter how much prep you do or how good the paint you use is, eventually it comes off. Add the complication of heat cycling since it is exhaust and you can see why it doesn't last.
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01-06-2009, 09:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MonmouthCtyAntz
No tester honestly knows the engine differance in any 4th gen camaro, nor do i think they really care.
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go stainless. go on ls1tech. they run specials and **** all of the time.
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01-06-2009, 09:54 PM
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You mean the stock manifolds aren't shiny metal tubes?
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01-06-2009, 10:46 PM
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Go with American Racing Headers or Kooks. All stainless construction, merge collector headers, and lifetime warranties.
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01-07-2009, 06:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BonzoHansen
Right. So they would test the car like it was just an OBD1 car.
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Yes sir
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01-07-2009, 06:41 AM
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How much do you plan on driving the car? I would recommend stainless longtubes over coated if it will be driven a lot and in wet weather from time to time. But if it's just gonna be in nice weather then coated should hold up ok. I have the old XS Stainless headers on my car and I bought them used and they still look pretty decent. They are now call LPS I think. Nice 321 stainless headers. Does it currently have the EGR and AIR hooked up to the headers? If so and you plan to retain it then you need to know which year style LS1 AIR hook ups. I think the 98-99 were side to side hookup while the 00-02 were inline(or front to back) style flange.
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I believe the headers on now have all the hookups. Yea man its only going to be a nice weather/weekend car. Most of the time it will be sitting covered. Yea I was looking at your post on tech about those ebay headers, you said on one of the posts that you got a tsp y to work? If so ill order them up..
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