Well, for those who know or might not know, Chevrolet will be showing off the sixth generation Camaro on May 16th at Belle Isle.
Design wise, it's staying pretty close to the fifth gen's contempo-retro design but where it's built and what it's built on will change.
Production will move back to 'Murica as it will be produced at GM's fancy Lansing Grand River plant and will be sitting on GM's Alpha platform, a lightweight rear-drive program that has been exclusive to Cadillac's ATS and CTS.
How much weight will it lose? GM announced last week that the Camaro will lose at least 200lbs over the current model, bringing the car into the 3400-3700lbs range, depending on equipment.
Power? 2.0T, 3.6 will come from Cadillac while Corvette loans its baby brother the 460hp LT1. Transmissions will most likely be a six speed manual for the 4 and 6 while the LT1 gets a 7 speed followed by a six or eight speed automatic transmission.
Pricing and options will most likely mirror the Mustang and performance models to be shown over the first few model years.
Wouldn't the 3400-3700 weight range make it similar to typically equipped 4th gens? That would be a nice step in the right direction.
Question about the 2.0 turbo, how much power will it have? Seems like 300 or more HP has become the standard for base model pony cars. Just wondering if they believe weight savings will make up the difference or if it will be at a price that would make people less likely to pick up a 6 cyl?
Question about the 2.0 turbo, how much power will it have? Seems like 300 or more HP has become the standard for base model pony cars. Just wondering if they believe weight savings will make up the difference or if it will be at a price that would make people less likely to pick up a 6 cyl?
well the 2.0T in the ats currently makes 272, thats 12hp over the 2.0T in the late 2000s LNF ecotech motors(260hp - sky redline, solstice gxp, cobalt/hhr ss) and then GM had a stage 2 tune available which upped the autos cars to 295hp and 315TQ and the manual cars got over 300hp. and i think it was 325tq. If they use that tune perhaps the Camaro 2.0T would have just over 300hp.
Does the ATS tune up require premium fuel? I know when Little G did the Stage upgrade to his Soltice GXP that was one of the requirements, I believe the car could run on mid grade with the factory tune.
Does the ATS tune up require premium fuel? I know when Little G did the Stage upgrade to his Soltice GXP that was one of the requirements, I believe the car could run on mid grade with the factory tune.
edit: i misread your post...my moms ats is fine on regular as far as i remember.
Yes, Premium fuel was required.[ecotech stage II tune ]
I did the tune on my SKY as well. It was a huge improvement.
I also did the GMPP cold air intake, aftermarket intercooler, hard intercooler piping, and magnaflow catback all at the same time. The car was much faster than stock and it didnt "de-tune" itself in response to bolts-ons like the car would with a factory tune. I even bought a better wastegate spring but never installed it, it's sitting in my tool box still.
I think that is just the car, not including the driver - so 3600 to 3900lbs with a 200lb person?
With a 300hp turbo 4, the v6 makes less sense since it would have less TQ, even at 3.6L like the 5th gens and other GM cars have (and 320hp). Not to mention a lot more upside power than the V6 could ever have - isn't MB running a 345hp 2.0 in their top of the line AMG small sedan?
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Wouldn't the 3400-3700 weight range make it similar to typically equipped 4th gens? That would be a nice step in the right direction.
Question about the 2.0 turbo, how much power will it have? Seems like 300 or more HP has become the standard for base model pony cars. Just wondering if they believe weight savings will make up the difference or if it will be at a price that would make people less likely to pick up a 6 cyl?
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They won't mess with a formula that is selling well. Hopefully the weight savings targets are real.
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Agreed.
Although I'm not holding my breath on anything until the final product hits the showrooms.
I live within walking distance of Malouf Chevy on Rt1 and every trailer of new cars coming in is Camaros and Corvettes the last few months...
The weight savings are 100% real. None of it is rumored as it was published and put into a press release. They also said that the car is 28% stiffer, for those thinking that the fifth gen didn't feel strong, I guess?
The Camaro SS should drive like the current 1LE, but missing 150-200lbs.
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The weight savings are 100% real. None of it is rumored as it was published and put into a press release. They also said that the car is 28% stiffer, for those thinking that the fifth gen didn't feel strong, I guess?
They probably said that because so much weight is being removed. The naive would think less weight = less strength.
I just wish they would get away from the hideous 5th gen design and produce something mean looking. Judging from the camo covered shots it looks like its going to be very similar looking with gaudy taillights. Why buy this car when you can get 5th gens for half the price.
Er, off the top of my head: weight loss, power train improvements, handling improvements, interior improvements, looks like visibility may be improved.
Yeah, no reason to buy one.
Also, if I'm laying out that kind of cash, I'd rather have a new muscle car, not one that has a questionable history.
Weight loss just means money was spent to design it better and less overkill. Silly engineers, making **** heavy.
Fifth gen was based on an preexisting chassis designed for large vehicles, the G8/SS/Commodore and even larger cars like the Caprice.
It is hard to make a big car small and keep focused on weight. It's the issue BMW has with the current 5 series as it is based on the same platform as the current 7, and now the 5 is one of the heaviest cars in it's class with a dramatic drop in the "ultimate driving" aspect.
This Sixth Gen is based on a small, rear-drive platform that was designed to underpin a lightweight sports sedan for Cadillac and has been expanded to accept a larger midsized car.
The Sixth gen will take advantage of an American designed, American developed, and for the first time since 1992, an American Made Camaro.
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I just wish they would get away from the hideous 5th gen design and produce something mean looking. Judging from the camo covered shots it looks like its going to be very similar looking with gaudy taillights. Why buy this car when you can get 5th gens for half the price.
While your opinion has been noted, you must accept the fact that the Fifth Gen Camaro is one of the best selling Camaro generations, and that a car like this sells based on how it attaches to people's emotions and feelings.
Your feelings do not align with the general population.
Why buy this car? I believe Bishop explains it very well.
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Er, off the top of my head: weight loss, power train improvements, handling improvements, interior improvements, looks like visibility may be improved.
Yeah, no reason to buy one.
Also, if I'm laying out that kind of cash, I'd rather have a new muscle car, not one that has a questionable history.
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Gen V platform (Am I referencing that correctly, Al?) should be a really nice addition. Seems to be doing ok in the c7.
Platform tends to be associated with the chassis, so you can just say LT1 or Gen V small block.
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I would be very curious to look at the sales age demographics of the 5th and 6th gen when it comes out. Is that info available to gen pop?
Id be interested in seeing that too, also the breakdown of V6 vs V8 performance models because I hardly see any SS's or better roaming around the streets. Theyre all v6 ecocrapboxes, which is fine, I get they need the base model to be able to sell the performance model, but it seems like Chevy is playing catchup in the performance area. Even the Mustangs seem to be EVERYWHERE...Im wondering where the hell all these Camaros that sold are.
I did forget about the new lt1 motor going into the 6th gens...thats pretty cool.
